Question Time

Watching it on Sky + now...

Comments welcome.....
 
3 posts and no one has actually said anything!! Not surprising really as it's a very contentious issue.

I think NG made a fool of himself in many ways but a couple of his points were valid. It's a shame that many audience members thought that it was simply an opportunity to have a go at him. I think the next biggest loser next to NG was Jack Straw.
 
Not that I subscribe to any of the BNP's vile and misguided beliefs/values, I did start to think from the sound bites I'd heard on the news & radio leading up to tonight that NG had very cleverly tapped into the frustrations and fears of the British public with his well scripted rubbish. But tonight he was definately exposed, completely out of his depth and without a script he just looked like what he is, a toned down NF spokesman tarted up to appeal to anyone ****** off with the main political parties. You can't polish a ****!
 
I wouldn't have missed this for the world.

It's safe to say that he got buried and that his general credibility remains laughable.
 
If one of main 3 parties had the ******** to take a hard line on immigration then the BNP would lose its trump card and fade into obscurity again.
IMO.


Paul
 
PaulAr said:
If one of main 3 parties had the ******** to take a hard line on immigration then the BNP would lose its trump card and fade into obscurity again.
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True, but they wont which means the BNP are getting popular.

Ive not watched the program myself though, maybe catch it over the weekend.
 
I do agree with the BBC, that they should have been allowed on the program.
After all, whether we like it or not, two have been elected as MEP's.

The funny thing with this whole situation though, is those that opposed them appearing, have actually given the BNP more media exposer through their actions.

But lets face it, whether you agree with him being on there or not, he still came off as a tit. :happy:
 
Staz said:
I think NG made a fool of himself in many ways but a couple of his points were valid. It's a shame that many audience members thought that it was simply an opportunity to have a go at him. I think the next biggest loser next to NG was Jack Straw.
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Totally agree.
 
Staz said:
Yep I have been waiting for him too.
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Sorry to keep you waiting chaps.......... but I've been in Wales following the WRC Rally.....

Now then.

What can we say about Mr Griffins performance...........?? Other than that he was damned if he did,, and damned if he didn't. The whole thing was a total set up,,, remember the BNP are never given a 'level playing field'.

It was a herculian task for one man to have even survived such an onslaught,,, and he clearly struggled at times.... But, when given the chance, he made some very 'common sense' points...! (which is why the true facists, like most of the audience and, all of those demonstrating outside, don't want people to have that chance)

Personally I think I could have done a better job....!! But then I would, wouldn't I...........:laugh:

Anyway, here's what the man himself had to say about it;

http://bnp.org.uk/


PS Andymac.

I know you consider yourself the greatest debater/ranter AS Net has ever produced........... Yes you do,, just admit it.

But perhaps you would like to substantiate what you mean by this,, "BNP's vile and misguided beliefs/values"........?? I don't think we've ever had a decent 'chat'.....
 
Got around to watching it, thought it was a poor program, rarely was Griffin given the chance to answer any questions in detail and the crowd (rightly or wrongly) were very hostile. Dimbleby seemed a bit biased, giving the other panelists more time to answer and talk then when Griffin answered he would cut in with some random quote from 20 years ago. As another poster mentioned I thought Jack Straw was terrible, just waffled on and on.

Im not pro or anti BNP but they deserve their say and I doubt many people would of done much better than NG did under those circumstances. Jack straw twittered on about limiting immigration from outside the EU whereas I think the problem is immigration from INSIDE the EU, if the government got their act together on immigration and the EU the BNP wouldnt be nowhere near as popular.

I got the impression from the demonstrators outside the BBC that they have a 'everyone can have an opinion as long as it doesnt differ from ours' attitiude, they are probably just as allegedly fascist as the BNP...
 
unkle said:
Jack straw twittered on about limiting immigration from outside the EU whereas I think the problem is immigration from INSIDE the EU
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I disagree. Even after Poland and the other eastern European countries joined the EU in 2004 there was still more immigration from Pakistan than from those countries.
 
Staz said:
I disagree. Even after Poland and the other eastern European countries joined the EU in 2004 there was still more immigration from Pakistan than from those countries.
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The figures say in 2005 120,000 immigrants from Sri Lanka, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh as opposed to 80,000 from Eastern Europe (49,000 were Poles)

I know from my own experiances of working,socialising,shopping and generally just walking down the street that we have a big increase in immigrants whether they are purple,green or whatever it matters not,but this country is in danger as most send the money home and live on a pittance so for the people who say 'as long as they work' it just does not work as the money is not going into our economy.
I never watched Mr Griffin on Question Time but have heard a lot of people saying he wasn't given a level playing field which isn't cricket,I am not a lover of BNP...I just wish the goverment or the next one realise that we are sinking slowly and slow the influx.
 
Yeah I agree Jase. I don't care where they're from. I fully understand and respect anyone who wants to move here to better themselves but there's got to be a limit to it.
 
Shocking and disturbing indeed.

Although I fail to see how a nasty, fundamentally racist, backwards, ignorant, party of thinly-disguised knuckle-dragging Neanderthals like the NF, sorry BNP, would make the country any better :huh:

Hmm, "paki-bashers" in government, there's a comforting thought :huh:
 
HotboxDeluxe said:
Although I fail to see how a nasty, fundamentally racist, backwards, ignorant, party of thinly-disguised knuckle-dragging Neanderthals like the NF, sorry BNP, would make the country any better :huh:
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And you have based your opinion of BNP supporters on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,??
 
A party, in its own right, is not capable of those attributes........... They can only apply to people within it.... So who exactly does your description of the BNP apply to....??
 
Just Plain Old said:
A party, in its own right, is not capable of those attributes........... They can only apply to people within it.... So who exactly does your description of the BNP apply to....??
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So what is a party made up of if not people? Magic beans? Racist magic beans? I think a party, comprising of people with these attributes, can be fairly described as having said attributes.

My description of the BNP therefore applies to the racist, short-sighted, rabble-rousing neo-nazi c***s that are in it, mainly! If you want I can extend my umbrella of bile to include the idiots that support and vote for the *****.
 
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Hotbox,
Without trying to start a flame war. Germany has a policy on immigration, Britain hasn't and thats a big difference. In Germany any illegal immigrant wanting medical treatment has to be reported by the doctors and medical staff to the authorities and risk being deported. In the UK they get free treatment, as much as they want without risk of anything and the working tax payer is paying for it.

Now, lets see what happens in Berlin in the next month or two as they have declared an anonymous amnesty for immigrants seeking medical attention. As immigrants from across Germany flood to Berlin for treatment you have to ask yourself, just who exactly is going to pay for it?
And sooner or later, the working Berlin taxpayer is going to get a tad peed off with it :yes:.

What if you lived in Berlin, worked hard, paid your taxes, and when you got ill, you had to wait ages to see a doctor, then pay for your meds. Or sneak into the country, don't work and get free meds.
You would start to get peed off at the unfairness, and if there was someone who was willing to stand up and make a stand you would start to support them.

Now thats what the BNP is doing, it is looking after the interests of the people who live and work here, and are getting annoyed at uncontrolled immigration. The Labour party have encouraged immigrants to come to the UK, and we tax payers have to pay for it. There is more being paid out in benefits than is raised in taxes, hence we are in a dire economic situation here in the UK.
 
Seems like some parts of Germany have the same problems we do here in the UK.
See the age of the man they attacked? 76, yes, how hard and brave they are. This man fought for his country, for his rights, for his familys future. For what, to be attacked by a couple of immigrant cowards. Even Germany is invading itself just like the UK.

In a recent display of ethnic violence, two young men, one Greek and one Turkish, beat an elderly German man in a subway station until his skull fractured and he was bleeding internally. The assailants spat at the 76-year-old man before taking him out to the platform to repeatedly kick him in the head. This event, which took place in Munich on December 20, sparked outrage across Germany and led to calls for the deportation of foreign criminals.
The governor of the German state of Hesse, Roland Koch responded to this assault by declaring that Germany has too many “criminal young foreigners” and that immigrants must stick to the rules of Germany’s “Christian-Occidental” culture. “We have spent too long showing a strange sociological understanding for groups that consciously commit violence as ethnic minorities,” Koch said. “Foreigners who don’t stick to our rules don’t belong here.”

Large numbers of German immigrants are not assimilating into this “Christian-Occidental” culture. A recent study conducted by the University of Hamburg’s Institute of Criminology indicates that 40 percent of German Muslims would justify the use of violence if they felt Islam was being threatened by the West.
This represents a massive cultural and ideological divide between the mainstream German population and German Muslims—one that portends more ethnic violence and crime in Germany.
 
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sidibear said:
Hotbox,
Without trying to start a flame war. Germany has a policy on immigration, Britain hasn't and thats a big difference. In Germany any illegal immigrant wanting medical treatment has to be reported by the doctors and medical staff to the authorities and risk being deported. In the UK they get free treatment, as much as they want without risk of anything and the working tax payer is paying for it.

Now, lets see what happens in Berlin in the next month or two as they have declared an anonymous amnesty for immigrants seeking medical attention. As immigrants from across Germany flood to Berlin for treatment you have to ask yourself, just who exactly is going to pay for it?
And sooner or later, the working Berlin taxpayer is going to get a tad peed off with it :yes:.

What if you lived in Berlin, worked hard, paid your taxes, and when you got ill, you had to wait ages to see a doctor, then pay for your meds. Or sneak into the country, don't work and get free meds.
You would start to get peed off at the unfairness, and if there was someone who was willing to stand up and make a stand you would start to support them.

Now thats what the BNP is doing, it is looking after the interests of the people who live and work here, and are getting annoyed at uncontrolled immigration. The Labour party have encouraged immigrants to come to the UK, and we tax payers have to pay for it. There is more being paid out in benefits than is raised in taxes, hence we are in a dire economic situation here in the UK.
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Sidibear I am well aware of how sh**y it's got over there. I was born in Wales, spent 28 of my 31 years there, and am a proud British citizen born of a hard-working Welsh mum and a hard-working Iranian dad. One of the main reasons I had for leaving the United Kingdom in the first place is the ruin that the government was driving the country into.

The interests the BNP are looking after are their own. The people who live and work there are all colours and races. The people who live and sponge and sit around claiming everything they can there, are, funnily enough, all colours and races. Scum is scum no matter what colour it is.

Let me make one thing clear. I think a stricter policy on immigration would be a good idea. I am all for it, in fact. What I am dead against is the BNP. They are dangerous, and they are becoming prominent in dangerous times. A certain Austrian managed to play ****** hell over here a while ago, because in an economic downturn he also made out he was looking after the people's interests; namely giving back jobs to the Germans.

Despite a much better immigration policy, there's a similar feeling over here. ****** 'ausländer' taking the jobs off Germans, all staying together in their communities, not speaking the same language, etc. I'm beginning to think that's human nature, sadly.

I've waffled. I'm hungry and I'm off to buy a pizza. Off some foreign guy, God knows where he's from. Everybody's useful if they want to work, people. Respect, and remember, no to the BNP

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HotboxDeluxe said:
So what is a party made up of if not people? Magic beans? Racist magic beans? I think a party, comprising of people with these attributes, can be fairly described as having said attributes.

My description of the BNP therefore applies to the racist, short-sighted, rabble-rousing neo-nazi c***s that are in it, mainly! If you want I can extend my umbrella of bile to include the mongs that support and vote for the *****.
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I think you're getting a tad confused Hotbox........... Been on the cooking Sherry again.....??

Anyway, back to the original question then...... 'you have based your opinion of BNP supporters on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,??'
 
The BNP are growing because of the failure of the mainstream political parties to deal with the big issues of Immigration and Islam and UK National sovereignty.
That has created a political vacuum and the BNP are filling it. It is perfectly reasonable for British people to be genuinely worried about our porous borders and the tsunami of illegal immigrants without being labelled racist.

Similarly, it is understandable for people to fear the growth of militant Islam. The advance of the EU Superstate does worry people but if they raise objection they are instantly nailed as xenophobes. This all plays into the hands of BNP opportunism and it is the failure of the main political parties.

On a minor point, the BNP is not "extreme right". It is authoritarian, protectionist, anti-Thatcherism - hardly the mark of a right wing organisation. It is cunning though and has seized the opportunity created by the failure of the major parties to engage with the concerns of many millions of ordinary Brits.

Do we blame for the BNP for this or do we blame the political establishment?
 
sidibear said:
In Germany...
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I lived and worked in Germany for a few years, while avin it large at some techno festival I sprained my wrist very badly and went to hospital. At the end of my excellent treatment I was giving a stonking great big bill for 2300 Euros at which point I shat bricks!

I had AOK health insurance though via my Employer which was just the basic German State healthcare but still had to present a chipped creditcard sized healthcard saying I was entitled to healthcare and that someone would pick up the tab.

I dread to think how much of the £90 Billion a year NHS budget gets wasted on people who havent paid into the system, 2300 euros would of been a working persons tax contribution for at least a couple of months lord knows what the bill for a hospital stay or the need for x-rays or an MRI Scan would of been.

But then Labour seem more than happy to take from hard working people and dish out to any floating potential voters.
 
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unkle said:
But then Labour seem more than happy to take from hard working people and dish out to any floating potential voters.
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...as well as lining their own pockets via dodgy expenses (i.e Mrs Smith), and ensuring limp wristed unelected politicians like Mandleson get life peerages......I am quite frankly sick of the lot of them ! (thats includes tories & Lib's)

Well us plebs who pay all our tax's and get shafted by the lnand Revenue & Customs finance these so called "honourable" MP's..I think every MP should be investigated by the Inland Revenue just like I was when I was self employed - and take it from me its not nice !

oh yeah sorry I was :sign_ot:
 
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What I want to know is why do people that sponge off us taxpayers, gives them the right to vote! Hard working people of this country should decide what, where and how our money should be spent, not by sponging voters ticking the box for "give me more money for sitting on my ares" box! My 2p's worth
 
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