silver75 said:there is a problem, you.
You say your playing devils advocate, you ask a ridiculous question and then you shout down everyone who disagrees with you. Lets just talk about lesbians or something pleeease.
this gets my vote!
silver75 said:there is a problem, you.
You say your playing devils advocate, you ask a ridiculous question and then you shout down everyone who disagrees with you. Lets just talk about lesbians or something pleeease.
silver75 said:there is a problem, you.
You say your playing devils advocate, you ask a ridiculous question and then you shout down everyone who disagrees with you. Lets just talk about lesbians or something pleeease.
co55ie said:Maybe people think your views are ridiculous.
co55ie said:Your very defensive Silver why ? I am sure you know the rule of thumb with regards to being overly defensive..
silver75 said:.
ALL of South America is Catholic, but they dont have 24 million people there living with AIDS.. simple mathematics surely?
silver75 said:I dont have views on this subject because it is ridiculous. All I have are the facts.
36 million around the world have AIDS 24 million of them are in Africa.
co55ie said:The monoagamy comments are laughable.
OutLore said:You need to back views up like this with a reasoned argument.
Onlyme said:The bible states that you should not have sex before marriaget so if you are black white yellow or purple and you want to f--k that hot little minx with the big tatties whoes fault is it if you get aids, if you say the Catholics you are talking s--t if you say its your own fault for being tempted then good on you, blaming a religion is bo--ocks, if people wangt to shag around good for them, BUT according to the bible you should not f--k until marriage so blaming a religion is b---ocks.
Im C of E by the way
Yup - but you seem to have missed my point a little. I'm NOT agreeing with what the Catholic church preaches - far from it.co55ie said:We have a Worldwide Aids Pandemic, sexually transmitted diseases are permanently on the increase.............
Is that reasoned enough for you ?
Yes, they are. But these people CHOOSE to follow them. They do not HAVE to. Once again - if you are going to play the game, follow all the rules.co55ie said:The Catholic teachings are a pipe dream from a bygone age.
AndyMac said:Spoken like a true politician.
Funny how this thread has suddenly become "whining" when the answers don't suit your argument.
OutLore, I think you have to accept that most people of any religion & origin will have sex outside marriage. That's just reality and nothing will stop it. The condom issue, though hypocritical, is more of a cultural problem exacerbated by the Catholic standpoint. It's hard enough to get educated non-catholics in the UK to use them without adding a ruling from the Pope outlawing them. Condom use is a premeditated decision, whereas casual sex is usually spur of the moment and that's where you get the dilemma of a good catholic boy happy to overlook one aspect of his faith, but unprepared to carry it out safely.
A4Quattro said:I'll agree with that, like anyone follows the 10 commandments nowadays.
I also have another point to add, I think there should be an 11th commandment to be strictly followed, and that is "Thou shalt quit this ******* thread for it is dead and cannot be resurrected, people are sick of someone's whining moral crusade"
There's the word of god!
AndyMac said:OK so we've heard plenty from the outraged masses about the so called "ludicrous" claims made on this thread.
So any "god fearing" people out there want to make the claim that if the catholic church changed it's stance on condoms it would not make any difference to the number of people contracting aids in Africa?
Ummm thought not.
Why are you all even arguing about this, it's obviously the only sensible thing for the Vatican to do, it will save Catholic lives. If god didn't want us to have recreational sex then he shouldn't have made it so ****** enjoyable!
pics?LottieA3 said:. Like to.....................that bizarre lesbian quote earlier.
silver75 said:Latin America from Mexico to Chile is 100% catholic if it is as simple as some on here are saying why is there no epidemic there??
LottieA3 said:I am not a Catholic because I do not believe in that Faith but I would NEVER publicy comment or out right portray them as bad. We may not agree with the ways Religions choose to do things and preach but then I know people with my religion have there opinions and shared that. of which I am fully open to.
I think all Religions have there own story's and believe's and have there own ups and downs to some extent. But who are we to be rude and disrespect that. I think someone wanted an argument with this Thread! Call a Doctor!
Its seems that silver75 / A4Quattro / OutLore / Rev-head and jdp1962 have there heads screwed on properly and I think we need to move on from this one. Like to.....................that bizarre lesbian quote earlier.
You don't really need stats, I find my brain quite a useful alternative, given the numbers involved I think we can safely say it's in the millions.silver75 said:The only way I can accept it would, is if someone was to give me the stats that say the majority of people who have contracted AIDS in Africa have been catholic.
co55ie said:Silver the problem is you cant produce stats in this instance due to the total lack of medical facilites made available, as I have repeatedly pointed out it is not the accounted for , it is the unaccounted carrier of HIV that poses the real problem....
AndyMac said:You don't really need stats, I find my brain quite a useful alternative, given the numbers involved I think we can safely say it's in the millions.
Or are you suggesting that because we have no stats we can assume no African Catholic has contracted AIDS?
It wouldn't have a significant effect? Maybe not, but if it saved one persons life (which it obviously would given the scale of the problem) would that not be worth it?
As already said (correct me if I'm wrong cozzie) I think the title of the thread was deliberately provocative to get a reaction, which worked well, but not hugely OTT compared to some of the tabloid shyte we digest on a daily basis.
silver75 said:...exactly and this is why you cant blame the Catholic church for the spread of AIDS in Africa.
Phew! glad we finally agree thread over.
AndyMac said:You don't really need stats, I find my brain quite a useful alternative, given the numbers involved I think we can safely say it's in the millions.
Or are you suggesting that because we have no stats we can assume no African Catholic has contracted AIDS?
It wouldn't have a significant effect? Maybe not, but if it saved one persons life (which it obviously would given the scale of the problem) would that not be worth it?
As already said (correct me if I'm wrong cozzie) I think the title of the thread was deliberately provocative to get a reaction, which worked well, but not hugely OTT compared to some of the tabloid shyte we digest on a daily basis.
A4Quattro said:People get defensive over this because its a slur on a religious leader, back a couple of hundreds of years ago, saying something like you said originally would have seen you hung.
Its a mark of the Christian Religion that we CAN discuss things like this without the threat of violence, just look at what happened when someone DREW a cartoon of the prophet Mohammed, there was violence in the streets and condemnation for the drawing.
If only every religion was as tolerant as Catholics and C of E.
You never hear of anyone who's a christian or catholic calling for the execution of another religious leader/figure because he said something offensive towards them like what happened when Pope Bendict quoted the scriptures of a 14th century emperor....
The religion upon which this nation stands is very tolerant of critism, but saying the leader of that may be a terrorist will offend people, even atheists, and yes it does offend me.
LottieA3 said:Right I was holding back...you are certainly one big old freak you wacko. I was being polite and respectful and because I and others don't believe in what you are saying or question it, or whatever, you pick on us like you just have me. So what does that say about you then? A? You've got your head screwed on wrong mate. And no need to feel sorry for me I feel sorry for me self for getting invloved in this stupid thread.
It is unreasonable to expect no other opinion on your thread! You every right to question it and I have not said that I disagree with your very 1st comment have I??????????????????????????????????????????
I am not a Catholic but will not publicy cause a dispute against them because I have respect! There are people on here that 'are' catholics and we need to respect them, not pick on them.
So play it a little less calm mate and maybe remember that EVERYONE is entitled to there OWN opinion!!!!!!!
"Oh and remember to brush your teeth before bedsy byes!"
LottieA3 said:killing people is wrong and that is what sentencing is. But I see what you are saying co55ie but I really think you need to be careful. You'll get your head kicked in if your not careful. (not by me though I'm a lickle blonde lady)
LottieA3 said:Well that's mature? basically calling me retarded and worthless! = moronic dross. Now that's nice!
LottieA3 said:. This thread is far to strong for us Audi lot!