Hi i will prob have to get two new tyres shortly the question is, the car is a quattro do i need to buy 4 tyres as stated at the tyre shop, he had a vast collection of tyres.
Only my 2p's worth but I guess it'll depend on how much tread is left on the rear tyres
If the backs are still legal and have a good amount of tread then why not just buy two fronts for now and get the others later?
If the backs are still legal and have a good amount of tread then why not just buy two fronts for now and get the others later?
hop2407
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S'up to you - If u have money to burn, then go for 4...... A tyre specialist will ALWAYS sell u 4, maybe try for 5 if your spares /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/swear.gif'd !!!!
Get an independant check on the treadwear, it maybe that you buy 2 now and need another 2 in 2 months, so go for 'em all now - you might get a good deal if you buy all 4..... I do think quatty tyres should all wear quite even (unless the tracking etc.) is out.....
Get an independant check on the treadwear, it maybe that you buy 2 now and need another 2 in 2 months, so go for 'em all now - you might get a good deal if you buy all 4..... I do think quatty tyres should all wear quite even (unless the tracking etc.) is out.....
RacingTeatray
Freezing in Moscow
I'd always understood that with a 4wd car it is always important to change all 4 tyres at once and for all 4 tyres to be of the same brand and model?
Otherwise the differences in rolling resistance between the two axles created by the differing tread depths and patterns will over time screw the 4wd system. Yes, the car will wear the backs and fronts at different rates but as this will be in line with the natural tendency rather than a mismatch, it doesn't apparently have the same negative effect.
Of course I could be talking out of my bottom - perhaps someone more technologically-educated can explain the detail of this......
Otherwise the differences in rolling resistance between the two axles created by the differing tread depths and patterns will over time screw the 4wd system. Yes, the car will wear the backs and fronts at different rates but as this will be in line with the natural tendency rather than a mismatch, it doesn't apparently have the same negative effect.
Of course I could be talking out of my bottom - perhaps someone more technologically-educated can explain the detail of this......
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I'd always understood that with a 4wd car it is always important to change all 4 tyres at once and for all 4 tyres to be of the same brand and model?
Otherwise the differences in rolling resistance between the two axles created by the differing tread depths and patterns will over time screw the 4wd system. Yes, the car will wear the backs and fronts at different rates but as this will be in line with the natural tendency rather than a mismatch, it doesn't apparently have the same negative effect.
Of course I could be talking out of my bottom - perhaps someone more technologically-educated can explain the detail of this......
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this advise was for the poxy calibra 4wd they went pop if all 4 tyres hadn`t the same grip. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif
I'd always understood that with a 4wd car it is always important to change all 4 tyres at once and for all 4 tyres to be of the same brand and model?
Otherwise the differences in rolling resistance between the two axles created by the differing tread depths and patterns will over time screw the 4wd system. Yes, the car will wear the backs and fronts at different rates but as this will be in line with the natural tendency rather than a mismatch, it doesn't apparently have the same negative effect.
Of course I could be talking out of my bottom - perhaps someone more technologically-educated can explain the detail of this......
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this advise was for the poxy calibra 4wd they went pop if all 4 tyres hadn`t the same grip. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif
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I quote from my Audi glovebox manual:
On vehicles with four-wheel drive, all four wheels must always be fitted with tyres of the same type, make and treadpattern, otherwise the centre differential will be seriously damaged by the constantly different wheel speeds.
For the same reason, only use a standard-size spare wheel or the compact temporary spare supplied with the car from the factory.
The use of tyres with varying degrees of wear will not adversely affect the four-wheel drive system.
Therefore, I reckon you can happily purchase just 2 new tyres on the front, just make sure they are the same as your existing tyres. If you decide to change the make or tread pattern then change all four/five.
On vehicles with four-wheel drive, all four wheels must always be fitted with tyres of the same type, make and treadpattern, otherwise the centre differential will be seriously damaged by the constantly different wheel speeds.
For the same reason, only use a standard-size spare wheel or the compact temporary spare supplied with the car from the factory.
The use of tyres with varying degrees of wear will not adversely affect the four-wheel drive system.
Therefore, I reckon you can happily purchase just 2 new tyres on the front, just make sure they are the same as your existing tyres. If you decide to change the make or tread pattern then change all four/five.
I'd be surprised if the treadwear is hugely different between front & back on a Quattro, though. I put four brand new ones on mine when I got it, & after two years & 19,000 miles, the wear is even all the way round.
RacingTeatray
Freezing in Moscow
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I'd be surprised if the treadwear is hugely different between front & back on a Quattro, though. I put four brand new ones on mine when I got it, & after two years & 19,000 miles, the wear is even all the way round.
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An A4 has the quattro system does it not whereas a TT uses Haldex and my understanding is that grip is not apportioned on a 50/50 basis on Golf IV-based cars with Haldex 4wd? Surely therefore the front tyres are doing more work and will wear a bit faster. They look as though they are on my S3 (Pzeros). What's the split with quattro?
I'd be surprised if the treadwear is hugely different between front & back on a Quattro, though. I put four brand new ones on mine when I got it, & after two years & 19,000 miles, the wear is even all the way round.
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An A4 has the quattro system does it not whereas a TT uses Haldex and my understanding is that grip is not apportioned on a 50/50 basis on Golf IV-based cars with Haldex 4wd? Surely therefore the front tyres are doing more work and will wear a bit faster. They look as though they are on my S3 (Pzeros). What's the split with quattro?
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I'd be surprised if the treadwear is hugely different between front & back on a Quattro, though. I put four brand new ones on mine when I got it, & after two years & 19,000 miles, the wear is even all the way round.
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An A4 has the quattro system does it not whereas a TT uses Haldex and my understanding is that grip is not apportioned on a 50/50 basis on Golf IV-based cars with Haldex 4wd? Surely therefore the front tyres are doing more work and will wear a bit faster. They look as though they are on my S3 (Pzeros). What's the split with quattro?
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I think it's 50/50.
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I'd be surprised if the treadwear is hugely different between front & back on a Quattro, though. I put four brand new ones on mine when I got it, & after two years & 19,000 miles, the wear is even all the way round.
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An A4 has the quattro system does it not whereas a TT uses Haldex and my understanding is that grip is not apportioned on a 50/50 basis on Golf IV-based cars with Haldex 4wd? Surely therefore the front tyres are doing more work and will wear a bit faster. They look as though they are on my S3 (Pzeros). What's the split with quattro?
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I think it's 50/50.
My 4WD Mitsubishi wears them evenly and you need to keep them all the same as you do with the quattro, get a deal and change all 4 if your back ones are ok get new tyres of the same type and keep the back ones, that way when you were down the fronts again you can put your old back ones on and have 4 part worns the same
Crikey ive opened a can of worms here, Thanks to everyone that has replied. Racingteatray your not a tyre fitter are you as that is exactly the reply nigh on that the fitter gave me which has started to make me think that i need 4 at the same time at £125 a piece (i accept pay pal visa mastercard and amex). I first noticed the fronts wearing in the middle at 8000 miles took it to local big branch of k-ik fit so this month took it to small local fitter for second opinion, both have said that there legal but small local fitter said that backs were getting there as well which i agree with he reckons ive got a fair bit of life in them but due to the pattern being worn away they are not expelling the water out from the midlle to the edges and reckons they will be dodgy in rain. Cant believe after only 9000 miles i need new tyres. Once again thanks all for advice and any donations can be forwarded to me at ------------------------------------
If they are wearing in the middle then you have too much pressure in your tyres.
As said above, you should be able to replace just the front 2.
As said above, you should be able to replace just the front 2.
RacingTeatray
Freezing in Moscow
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Crikey ive opened a can of worms here, Thanks to everyone that has replied. Racingteatray your not a tyre fitter are you as that is exactly the reply nigh on that the fitter gave me which has started to make me think that i need 4 at the same time at £125 a piece (i accept pay pal visa mastercard and amex). I first noticed the fronts wearing in the middle at 8000 miles took it to local big branch of k-ik fit so this month took it to small local fitter for second opinion, both have said that there legal but small local fitter said that backs were getting there as well which i agree with he reckons ive got a fair bit of life in them but due to the pattern being worn away they are not expelling the water out from the midlle to the edges and reckons they will be dodgy in rain. Cant believe after only 9000 miles i need new tyres. Once again thanks all for advice and any donations can be forwarded to me at ------------------------------------
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LOL! No - worse - I'm a lawyer!
If they are wearing in the middle then they are probably overinflated.
Crikey ive opened a can of worms here, Thanks to everyone that has replied. Racingteatray your not a tyre fitter are you as that is exactly the reply nigh on that the fitter gave me which has started to make me think that i need 4 at the same time at £125 a piece (i accept pay pal visa mastercard and amex). I first noticed the fronts wearing in the middle at 8000 miles took it to local big branch of k-ik fit so this month took it to small local fitter for second opinion, both have said that there legal but small local fitter said that backs were getting there as well which i agree with he reckons ive got a fair bit of life in them but due to the pattern being worn away they are not expelling the water out from the midlle to the edges and reckons they will be dodgy in rain. Cant believe after only 9000 miles i need new tyres. Once again thanks all for advice and any donations can be forwarded to me at ------------------------------------
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LOL! No - worse - I'm a lawyer!
If they are wearing in the middle then they are probably overinflated.
just a quick question do you have to have the same make tread etc front to back on the s3? i do have the same just curious.
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I'd always understood that with a 4wd car it is always important to change all 4 tyres at once and for all 4 tyres to be of the same brand and model?
Otherwise the differences in rolling resistance between the two axles created by the differing tread depths and patterns will over time screw the 4wd system. Yes, the car will wear the backs and fronts at different rates but as this will be in line with the natural tendency rather than a mismatch, it doesn't apparently have the same negative effect.
Of course I could be talking out of my bottom - perhaps someone more technologically-educated can explain the detail of this......
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this advise was for the poxy calibra 4wd they went pop if all 4 tyres hadn`t the same grip. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif
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I can vouch for that........... only mine went bang because the useless dealer didn't fill up properly some bit that the big cog type thingy goes round in......
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I'd always understood that with a 4wd car it is always important to change all 4 tyres at once and for all 4 tyres to be of the same brand and model?
Otherwise the differences in rolling resistance between the two axles created by the differing tread depths and patterns will over time screw the 4wd system. Yes, the car will wear the backs and fronts at different rates but as this will be in line with the natural tendency rather than a mismatch, it doesn't apparently have the same negative effect.
Of course I could be talking out of my bottom - perhaps someone more technologically-educated can explain the detail of this......
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this advise was for the poxy calibra 4wd they went pop if all 4 tyres hadn`t the same grip. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif
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I can vouch for that........... only mine went bang because the useless dealer didn't fill up properly some bit that the big cog type thingy goes round in......
Hi again, i check the pressure every week when im washing the car and go by the pressure under the fuel cap ill have to under inflate them so that i wear the edges out lol, thanks for advice though. S3 tony regarding the tread every one i have spoke to has suggested that if i buy 2 or 4 tyres they need to be the same make with the same tread pattern otherwise it does something ( thats the technical bit ).
Right next question to this thread if i decide to buy 4 new tyres what are the best make to buy as i used to like eagle ncts as they lasted ages where as the ones that audi fit have only lasted 9000 miles which i think is poor.
Racingteatray have i got a case to take audi or the tyre makers to court and sue them as under the sales and good acts 1979 etc etc lol
Right next question to this thread if i decide to buy 4 new tyres what are the best make to buy as i used to like eagle ncts as they lasted ages where as the ones that audi fit have only lasted 9000 miles which i think is poor.
Racingteatray have i got a case to take audi or the tyre makers to court and sue them as under the sales and good acts 1979 etc etc lol
cheers bainsyboy, with regard to ur question i had 4 brand new pirrelli pzeros fitted when i got my car and its just got down to the wear indicators and thats 25k which i think is really good, and the grip is pretty good too.
RacingTeatray
Freezing in Moscow
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Hi again, i check the pressure every week when im washing the car and go by the pressure under the fuel cap ill have to under inflate them so that i wear the edges out lol, thanks for advice though. S3 tony regarding the tread every one i have spoke to has suggested that if i buy 2 or 4 tyres they need to be the same make with the same tread pattern otherwise it does something ( thats the technical bit ).
Right next question to this thread if i decide to buy 4 new tyres what are the best make to buy as i used to like eagle ncts as they lasted ages where as the ones that audi fit have only lasted 9000 miles which i think is poor.
Racingteatray have i got a case to take audi or the tyre makers to court and sue them as under the sales and good acts 1979 etc etc lol
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No, as you can doubtless guess the answer is probably not! Tyres are consumables and you'd have a devil of a job to prove you didn't knacker them through aggressive driving or incorrect inflation.
And, just as a general aside, you so don't want to go there over a few hundred quid!
Hi again, i check the pressure every week when im washing the car and go by the pressure under the fuel cap ill have to under inflate them so that i wear the edges out lol, thanks for advice though. S3 tony regarding the tread every one i have spoke to has suggested that if i buy 2 or 4 tyres they need to be the same make with the same tread pattern otherwise it does something ( thats the technical bit ).
Right next question to this thread if i decide to buy 4 new tyres what are the best make to buy as i used to like eagle ncts as they lasted ages where as the ones that audi fit have only lasted 9000 miles which i think is poor.
Racingteatray have i got a case to take audi or the tyre makers to court and sue them as under the sales and good acts 1979 etc etc lol
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No, as you can doubtless guess the answer is probably not! Tyres are consumables and you'd have a devil of a job to prove you didn't knacker them through aggressive driving or incorrect inflation.
And, just as a general aside, you so don't want to go there over a few hundred quid!
hop2407
Registered User
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Right next question to this thread if i decide to buy 4 new tyres what are the best make to buy as i used to like eagle ncts as they lasted ages where as the ones that audi fit have only lasted 9000 miles which i think is poor.
Racingteatray have i got a case to take audi or the tyre makers to court and sue them as under the sales and good acts 1979 etc etc lol
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Goodyear Eagle F1 - GS_D3 tread pattern
This is the GS_D2 Pattern
Excellent Grip, Treadwear is 280, so a little soft but I guess that's the choice Grip vs how long they'll last
Right next question to this thread if i decide to buy 4 new tyres what are the best make to buy as i used to like eagle ncts as they lasted ages where as the ones that audi fit have only lasted 9000 miles which i think is poor.
Racingteatray have i got a case to take audi or the tyre makers to court and sue them as under the sales and good acts 1979 etc etc lol
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Goodyear Eagle F1 - GS_D3 tread pattern
This is the GS_D2 Pattern
Excellent Grip, Treadwear is 280, so a little soft but I guess that's the choice Grip vs how long they'll last
Hop like the look of the good years ill have to get price of off local tyre fitter, anand cheers for that ive always gone for goodyears although the falcon tread looks very similar and i dare say cheaper.
the S3 4wd isn't 50/50, its electronically controlled to provide the power to the wheels with the most grip, starting with the fronts. The power is engaged, sometimes quite harshly, via a couple of electronic clutches. People get the 50/50 feeling back by upgrading their haldex controller.
as for tyres, i have had no problems in the wet or dry with Bridgestone Potenza 040's..
as for tyres, i have had no problems in the wet or dry with Bridgestone Potenza 040's..
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