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1animal1 said:
thats fair comment Mad and i assure you im not tight...but i dont go spending three times the money on something without checking it out first, now take this as a moan or not but in order to sell an item you simply cannot quote 'Alex says'.... this isnt logic, that is stupidity as none of us know Alex, im sure hes brilliant at his job, but in these circles he is not known.... this means you need to do something else to get our trust on this item, i asked to see a clip of the core...am i being unreasonable?
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No your not being unreasonable mate, my answer is this if you scroll down and look at the fiesta core i imagine he will be using that one :)... As i think the cossie one is a bit wide... alex would not like me say say much more prob due to copycats!

As for alex as said i dont like to blow his trumpet too much but HE soley made all parts for prodrive for the WRC until they went inhouse... BUT still o this day (1 month ago) they asked him to design and make a new spec dry sump tank for there cars (the complexity was out this world)... as they couldn't come up with the goods... they have done things for F1 and have done many parts for aston martin.. currently doing stuff for ralliart, as well as superbike rads.. they do the work for most of the tuners like k-tec racing and many others, they also did parts for the ''road legal F1 car that was on topgear'' , currently supply the fastest top speed cossie in the world for parts etc etc etc .....

Its like this the don't NEED to advertise like forge or bailey etc there not a dump valve or odd part company they are busy 100% of the time there work does the talking they only advertise in 1 or 2 mags jst because alex likes to in the classic ones...

there web address is here BUT i will say please dont go calling them up asking this and that as they dont have the time and will have a go at me

http://www.ahfabrications.com/contact.htm

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MAD_Adamski said:
OK RIGHT AS FOR MAKING IT SMALLER WHY? IF YOU READ CLEARLY AND UNDERSTOOD WHAT ALEX IS SAYING HE IS SAYING IT WILL COPE WITH KEEPING THE ACT'S LOW UPTO ''500BHP'' THEN IT WILL NOT PERFORM AS BEST... ITS THE CORE AND DESIGN THAT MAKES THIS POSSIBLE... SO OK LETS MAKE THINGS SMALLER AS THAT WILL CUT DOWN THE PERFORMANCE AND GIVE THE AIR A SMALLER SPACE TO TRAVEL THROUGH AND MAKE THE COOLER WORK HARDER THEREFORE IT WILL ONLY PERFORM TO SAY 300-350BHP.....
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Whats wrong with it only performing to 350 bhp,thats still alot more than most S3's have so will work fine.

MAD_Adamski said:
Its like this i'm doing people a favour take it or leave it as tbh as said i'm losing my patience with ungrateful people get them something half the price and they still moan.... offers there take it or leave it....
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All out of the kindness of your heart,you sure your wallet isnt going to benefit from this?
 
james0808 said:
Whats wrong with it only performing to 350 bhp,thats still alot more than most S3's have so will work fine.



All out of the kindness of your heart,you sure your wallet isnt going to benefit from this?
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James serious question have you actually read this thread????

Just for james for second time i NEVER make a penny AH have looked after me and were very close mates why would i need or want to make any money? they look after me anyway as i help them help you!

Also secondly you really dont understand what your talking about james again what your saying is you'd rather half the cooler and half the performance.... IF your personally willing to want to half the cooler to half performance to effectively half the cost you really are a tight **** and have no idea of how intercoolers work!

I will say again just for you james the cost is in the core (a quality core) non of these cheap ones everyone raves on about being so cheap... there cheap for a reason!!! If you half the core you will force the air into a smaller space and will make it far harder to cool therefore underload the ACT's will increase, using the CORRECT SIZED CORE it will keep the ACT's cool under load on say a 250-300hp car permanantly reducing the core size will effect the cooling capabilities!

like i've said again in previous posts alex's customers in some cases have seen a 30+ bhp gain because underload conditions have been inproved therefore allowing the car to run at its peak condition....

If i'm chatting **** then james here's a graph from when i ran my cossie on STD engine with a remap bigger inj and stg 3 turbo and alex's cooling kit!

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Seriously not trying to have a dig at you mate but you don' seem to know what your talking about... all it seems to me is your worried about your pocket....
 
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MAD_Adamski said:
Also secondly you really dont understand what your talking about james again what your saying is you'd rather half the cooler and half the performance.... IF your personally willing to want to half the cooler to half performance to effectively half the cost you really are a tight **** and have no idea of how intercoolers work! .
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Half the intercooler does not mean half the performance.Having an intercooler which is claimed to be rated at 500 bhp on a car with just over half the bhp is ridiculous.

See you went to Westons,i have been there and had Greg do some work for me,believe me i wont be going back to their rollers again with their fudged readings.

If not buying an intercooler that is just wrong for the car means i am tight,then i must be.
 
james0808 said:
Half the intercooler does not mean half the performance.Having an intercooler which is claimed to be rated at 500 bhp on a car with just over half the bhp is ridiculous.

See you went to Westons,i have been there and had Greg do some work for me,believe me i wont be going back to their rollers again with their fudged readings.

If not buying an intercooler that is just wrong for the car means i am tight,then i must be.
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your not buying it as its not £200 simple as! you'd rather buy the ebay one that will barely do a STD S3 justice.... tbh you do what you want i wouldn't wanna give you one of their products even if you offered the money for one you seem totally ungrateful and clearly you know everything!:lazy:
 
Out of interest james why are you posting trying to pick holes in me doing people a favour if you dont want anything out of this post as you've jus stated? Or are you just naturally arguementative???
 
MAD_Adamski said:
your not buying it as its not £200 simple as! you'd rather buy the ebay one that will barely do a STD S3 justice.... tbh you do what you want i wouldn't wanna give you one of their products even if you offered the money for one you seem totally ungrateful and clearly you know everything!:lazy:
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I'm really impressed with your attitude. If I were you I'd keep a lid on your outbursts and temper the language...or I'll be handing you a warning.

You seem very (too?) keen on your mates firm.
Good for you.

But you don't read so well, do you?
Both ChriS3 and I have already posted information on what a FMIC does for an S3 when using, according to you, inferior cored FMICs and they work just fine.

You won't get 30 BHP out of an S3 by fitting a FMIC...in fact, you won't get any extra power at all as the standard SMICs work well enough, once.
All you will get is better repeatability.

So you can argue all you like and put down others and other products...based on NO experience of the car in question.
Bravo.

Some of your comments are utter rubbish...
The standard SMICs are fine for standard S3s on the road.
Any reasonable FMIC is an improvement.
It doesn't need to be some monster capable of flowing 500 BHP on a car that will struggle to make over 270 BHP...as long as it has the surface area and design to be effective.
 
dont know about you lot but thats the response i was waiting for..more of a confirmation than anything
 
To be honest, I've found this thread rather amusing!
 
Dont know about amusing but definately different. Its turned out tobe agood read!
 
agreed, a good read but drifting away from the original question, seems like its turned into a sales page where everyone should be buying 500 bph cossies rated intercoolers.

I think ess_three says all you need to know.

The standard SMICs are fine for standard S3s on the road.
Any reasonable FMIC is an improvement.
It doesn't need to be some monster capable of flowing 500 BHP on a car that will struggle to make over 270 BHP...as long as it has the surface area and design to be effective.
 
All these comments are fair enough but Adam is trying to help people out by supplying a quality product for a lot lower price than the Forge item and I dont think we should start nocking him for that.

Now I know that no matter what you say to some people that they will still insist on buying the best they can get eg. the forge fmic over an ebay one even if the ebay one is up to the job. This is sometimes a matter of people having more money than sense but Adam's/Alex's fmic is just another option for us to consider.
 
My attitude is because i'm offering people a product which is simply better than the forge and saving people vast amounts of money.... Then you gte people like james who want to come and insult me and pt me down for trying to 1 save people money and 2 give people a better product. Now whether i know the car in question or not alex knows exactly what he's talking about with his vast experience and he has looked at the std stuff and the forge one and the ebay ones and spec'd his cooler acordingly.... i have never said the cooler will give you 30 EXTRA hp i have said people have gained the extra hp due to the act's not raising and dropping performance....

fair enough your a mod and i accept your response there's no need to get ***** towards me when all i am trying to do is do people a favour. I was going to get one made for myself anyway so was just willing to help another few people out in doing so...

based on alex comments yes the std coolers fine for the road , yes any front mount will help. But what alex is saying underload they will cause act's to raise and not perform as they should, his cooler will perform... And yes to 500hp but anything under that will keep the ACT's super cool now surely thats what people are wanting??? now if i was running a 270hp S3 and was offered this cooler i'd have one all day long as i know the act's would be the best they could be.....

If i offended people i'll apologise, but will not to james as he clearly has a problem with myself trying to help people. I am doing this not making a penny and trying to help members on here...

Tbh its seeming so much hassle to help i'm thinking to forget it can't seem to help people these days :(

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Ess_Three said:
I'm really impressed with your attitude. If I were you I'd keep a lid on your outbursts and temper the language...or I'll be handing you a warning.

You seem very (too?) keen on your mates firm.
Good for you.

But you don't read so well, do you?
Both ChriS3 and I have already posted information on what a FMIC does for an S3 when using, according to you, inferior cored FMICs and they work just fine.

You won't get 30 BHP out of an S3 by fitting a FMIC...in fact, you won't get any extra power at all as the standard SMICs work well enough, once.
All you will get is better repeatability.

So you can argue all you like and put down others and other products...based on NO experience of the car in question.
Bravo.

Some of your comments are utter rubbish...
The standard SMICs are fine for standard S3s on the road.
Any reasonable FMIC is an improvement.
It doesn't need to be some monster capable of flowing 500 BHP on a car that will struggle to make over 270 BHP...as long as it has the surface area and design to be effective.
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we're not ungrateful Mad..... dont get me/us wrong....

the thing is Ess three has done a hell of a lot of testing with the S3 and spent thousands putting products on the car and trying different bits out, RR testing same day to see what difference etc.... we take his word on a lot of stuff purely because he has had first had experiance with this car working closely with Forge on the FMIC's in particular.... again not a slate on you.... i just dont want to fork out £300 for something a £100 item can almost compare to.... even a cheapy is likely to bring my temps down quite considerably isnt it?
 
no i fully understand esses comments and i take my hat off for his tesing etc :icon_thumright:, but like alex's cooler were tested against 5 other coolers in a tuners mag and guess which performed the best?;)

This whole thread is really about what a individual wants ME MYSELF i've been there done that, i've had the cheaper stuff / not listened to advice before and then had to sell and upgrade later on.... I've just learned in life sometimes IMO its better to be £100 out of pocket and have the best money can buy than spend double finding out... So let each person decide if noone is interested after in me helping thats fine i'll go away and get mine anyway then if they wanna buy whatever one they can or even ring up AH for one lol either way i'm only trying to help...

but in answer to the ebay core alex said the core is cheap and it will be a heavy cooler as has cast end tanks and will not give performance like his but again up to people to make there own minds up...

anyway hope my input helps people slightly

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hey im still interested Mad, incidently this testing that Alex won..... how did his compare, as in was the difference huge and by what measure?
 
i cant remember the exact figures but alex's made the best results across he range basically... then about 8 months ago another test was done in which alex's again performed the best yet the 'mag' said another certain comany was the winner due to car polotics.... 2 months ago the asked alex if he'd offer a cooler again for a mag shootout which himself and radtec declined as they both knew they would not win as guess what another alloy company gave the mag guys free stuff :think:.... As alex said to me he doesn't need to prove anything they either buy his stuff or not...

My tuner is MAD developments who currently built the top speed cossie with over 800hp and 666lbft after using many others he will now only use or recommend AH coolers....

This is no sales pitch as ash_pearce said its just plain fact...
 
thats fair enough but the reason i ask is that if the measure between all of the coolers was down to the micro'whatever then im really going to be buying cheap, wheras if theres worlds of difference then ill obviously consider the better cooler.... my guess though is that it wouldnt make a dramatic differnece which ever way i went - unless you can tell me otherwise, these mag features for instance would tell a good story id guess
 
Mad, i think it's great what you've done here, you really have gone out your way to help a long standing problem for us S3 owners... The price of a decent cooler.

But i think the reason people are being so dubious is that once it's all been added up i don't think it seems that much of a bargain, forge ones have been on sale lately (I've seen them for £600) It's going to cost us £310 for the cooler then if I've got a good spec cooler i want good hoses/pipes and clamps so that's another £200 to the door so really £510ish the kit will cost and no one has fitted one yet, So we don't know how much of the crash bar needs trimming (you get a new one with the forge) we don't know if we can defiantly keep the fogs, (you say we can but it's yet to be proved) we don't know how much of the bumper needs trimming and we have to buy brackets to mount it.

A forge one will fit straight on no fuss and even if it's not as good as yours, it's been tested and we know it works and works well as glen has tested.

I'm not having a dig, i would have one myself, if i could have afforded one i would probably been the first on the list, i think you need someone to do it first get pictures tell us how easy it is fit then the ball will be rolling.

Like i said it's not a dig i think it great you've gone out your way to do this and i hope people do buy these.
 
MAD_Adamski said:
If i offended people i'll apologise, but will not to james as he clearly has a problem with myself trying to help people.
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I wouldnt accept it even if you did,and you didnt offend me takes a bit more than that.
I dont have a problem with you trying to help people here but your not,all you are offering is a sales pitch to generate work for your mates business,a business which you say doesnt need to advertise,so why are you advertising for them then?
At the end of the day the intercooler you are trying your best to hard sell is just not needed on an S3,FACT.
 
Well thanks to the people who were genuinely interested... I really cant be bothered with all this now so forget i mentioned it i will be getting my own cooler made when i pop over in a week or 2...

Good luck to the rest of you...
 
The only thing I will say is Im not suprised this guy sais his IC's are better than Forge and ebay items when hes trying to sell his own...
 
Cheers Ad for your time and effort.

For anyone who cares, starting this weekend, I will be sourcing an intercooler and fitting kit for my S3. I'm budgeting around £300 to £350 all in. And yes, the cooler will probably be from ebay, but my car is a 260ish bhp (apparently) daily driver so I'm not going to pish my money on £100's worth of kit for no benefot other than bragging rights!

I'll let you all know how I get on, and I'll take some pics. Incidentally, if anyone could provide me with the dimensions of IC that would work best on an S3 (from the guys that have already fitted them), that would be good. I'd want to keep standard size pipes/hoses.
 
MintyS3 said:
The only thing I will say is Im not suprised this guy sais his IC's are better than Forge and ebay items when hes trying to sell his own...
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If your implying that i work there you couldn't be further from the truth, i have run fish and chip shops for the last 8 yrs and have just bought my own...

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MAD_Adamski said:
If your implying that i work there you couldn't be further from the truth, i have run fish and chip shops for the last 8 yrs and have just bought my own...

:p
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can you do us a group buy on fish,chips and mushy peas instead ?
 
Its been well documented on the forum that fish and chips are of a different quality depending on what part on the country you are from, the bigger the fish the cooler your chips will be, but you will not get any more power from your salt and vinegar. You have been warned.:sly:
 
Just my 2 pence worth.

Looking at the Forge set up, even though the bends are 90's they are "swept 90's" meaning they wont disrupt the airflow unlike L shaped ones, if you get my drift.

I've seen these set ups with multiple cuts & welds to make the bends. From personal experience they are usually made up by people who don't have the proper equipment/experience for bending the pipework & they will cause turbulence & marginal increase in heat in the system.

All in all the forge looks like a top quality piece of kit...

I'm seriously tempted now, despite saying i was going to stop spending on this motor...

Thanks Ess, If it wasn't for you I'd be a lot farther on with my Porsche fund! :think:
 
OK, thread revival time :)

I have been speaking to Alex at AH Fabrications as I still wanted to have a go at getting a FMIC made and see if it would work out cheaper than going the Forge route. I do have an ebay intercooler I was going to fit but as I really want to go the stealth route, this would not have fitted with out modding the bumper and losing grilles (maybe even fogs)

Here are a pic of the ebay one test fitted..

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I am picking up the FMIC AH have made next Thursday, its cost me £300 plus I have ordered the pipe work, hoses and clamps off of that ebay.

Will let you know how I get on :)

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Thanks for reviving this thread mate because I will be doing this soon. You have bought a massive IC there lol. I was looking at the A3 Turborevs kit as its one of the only cores i've found that has the 2.5" inlet/outlet and isn't too thick. I'm hoping to keep the bumper and fogs in one piece too.
 
Yeah... didn't realise how big until it turned up at the door!!! Realised then that I wouldn't be able to fit it without mods...

The one from AH has been built to fit straight in, I will update the thread with pics and the like when I have it fitted.

FYI, Badger Bill kindly logged my car last night to see what the AIT's were doing on the std SMIC's. Outside temp was 16 ish degrees, under boost the AIT's rose to around 70 degrees then settled back at 50-55 deg but was getting increasingly hotter off boost as the SMICs heat soaked.

We are going to have another run once the FMIC is on and will post up the results.

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He isnt useing the ebay IC for the final product westle, tufftys using the one adam suggest.
How much has the pipes etc cost?
 
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