Converting symphony II antenna system use with RNSe

Hi, is not better to buy a 1,5m cable male to female fakra instead of buy one male to male and another female to female fakra? If they are connected to each other I think is better just buy a long female to male fakra and that's it. Am I right guys?
Thanks
 
Does anyone know if 8P0 035 225 (upper amp) & 8P0 035 225B (lower amp) will work as opposed to 8P4 for both?

I have looked at pictures of these and from what I can tell the upper amp has both the 3 pin plug & the fakra, and the lower amp has all three fakra connections.
 
Hi, is not better to buy a 1,5m cable male to female fakra instead of buy one male to male and another female to female fakra? If they are connected to each other I think is better just buy a long female to male fakra and that's it. Am I right guys?
Thanks


Yes you are correct, but I don't think Audi will supply this, you may be able to source it somewhere else.
 
Does anyone know if 8P0 035 225 (upper amp) & 8P0 035 225B (lower amp) will work as opposed to 8P4 for both?

I have looked at pictures of these and from what I can tell the upper amp has both the 3 pin plug & the fakra, and the lower amp has all three fakra connections.

I 'think' although I'm not sure that the part number you are looking at is from the older style a3?
If suggest sticking with the part numbers specified in the above post mate
 
I 'think' although I'm not sure that the part number you are looking at is from the older style a3?
If suggest sticking with the part numbers specified in the above post mate

Thanks scott, your right, better safe than sorry.
 
Hi JohnS3 I have a 2010 A3 sport back, with this repair is this what will fix poor reception when the rear heated window is in use? Also I have an iPod dock in the glove box and when I fitted the RNSe unit it now doesn't work could you shed any light on to how to get it working with the RNSe unit?
Much appreciated if you could help me out thanks.
 
Hi All.

An old thread I know... I fitted this to my 57 plate A3 today (upgraded to RNS e 192 from concert 2+) all the parts are correct and I tested all connections.
I now have little to no radio reception and all my stored stations are greyed out... Any suggestions as to what is wrong?

Stuart.
 
Check wiring as it must be wrong or faulty, fitted many of these upgrades.

Unless RNS has a faulty connector.
 
the new fakra cable is fine (continuity on centre and shield), the 3 wire loom is fine (continuity is good on all three cables) pin1 to pin1 2 to 2 3 to 3... everything is wired up as per Johns original post.

How can I test the amps? or do i assume they are ok (both second hand parts). Also if its the connector on the rnse would it have worked with the original setup? (it did work just poor reception)

Stuart
 
Try squashing the internal fakra outer metal bits in a bit, sometimes they're spread too far apart & don't maintain connection as well.

Apart from that, it can only be a handful of things.
 
Just tried that on the back of the RNS and its a good connection, will take the boot apart again over the weekend and check that end.

Im getting one radio station, admittedly with great reception, but can't pick anything else up... frustrating to say the least.
 
Guys. A 2008 s3 has appeared in my local breakers. From the pic on the website I can make out it has an rns-e with the media thing in the glove box. Would I be right in saying that it would have the right antennas and amps in the back to restore diversity to my 2007 s3 that I installed and rns-e in?
 
If it has factory fitted rns or the owner upgraded and changed the amplifiers... rip it open and have a look!
 
Hey NHN,

Taken everything apart again, checked it all, even had the back off the head unit... everything looks fine.
As I was putting the trim back on I found two sniped wires on the drivers side of the rear window... am I missing a component?.

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Just a quick follow up question. Do I need to vcds the car to tell it about the different amplifiers?
 
Yay!!!!! All sorted, was the bottom amp bought from fleabay... had a bit of moisture damage and was shorting to ground...

Right onwards... iPhone mirroring for the rns e... what's out there?

Poopot.
 
Completed this process today - works perfectly. Purchased all parts from eBay and Amazon (2m fakra), total cost was £85. It took about 25 minutes to install, the most difficult part was putting the boot panels pack together! Thanks to the OP for the how-to guide and part numbers.
 
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Why do you have to cut the 3 repair wires in half to give you 6 wires?

This should be of interest to those of you with 07 and later cars with the newer style headunits, especially if you have since fitted an RNSe and got the "ZF short to Earth" issue in VCDS not to mention degraded radio reception.

If you've been following my threads on Navplus (Audiforums.us) you'll know I've been using a Golf module to restore "diversity" in the antenna system. This works great, improved reception, but still the ZF short to earth issue, not a huge problem, but it has bugged me since fitting the RNSe.

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On 07 and newer cars Audi changed the way the antenna system works. This diagram gives you an idea. The top part is the Phase Diversity system used on newer cars, the lower part shows the Switched Diversity system required for the RNSe.

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So this weekend I managed to get around to installing the required parts to convert my existing antenna system back to the old system.

First I removed my existing golf module which was mounted behind the RNSe. I have to say that the Golf module has served me well and certainly improved my reception. However it doesn't cure the ZF short to earth issue.

Fitting the new bits was quite straightforward. The tricky bit was taking the trim off the boot lid. There are two torx screws to remove, then you have to lever from the bottom corner of the trim making sure you don't scratch the paint or bend anything. I used a long screwdriver wrapped in a cloth. It's held on by several spring clips, you can see where these are once you manage to pop the corner clips and can see behind the trim. You'll need a long lever to reach in and pop the remaining clips off. Once off you can see the lower antenna amp. You'll also have to remove the trim around the top of the window, again two torx screws and several more spring clips hold this on. Once you've removed this you'll see the upper antenna amp.

Lower amp
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Upper amp
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Here's a pic of the bits, you can buy them all from you local dealer, including the Fakra cables.
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and a parts list..
000 098 652A 1.5m female to female Fakra cable (you can get away with a 1m cable, 000 098 652) (£12)
000 098 692 30 cm male to male Fakra adaptor (£12)
8P4 035 225B Upper antenna amp (£14)
8P4 035 225 Lower antenna amp (£150)
1C0 973 119B Three pin connector housing x2 (£1.50 each)
000 979 009 Repair wires x3 (£1.20 each, cut them in half to give 6 wires)

As you can see from the picture above the new lower antenna amp has two extra connectors, 1 Fakra and 1 three pin plug, both circled. The extra Fakra connector is the ZF feed from the RNSe. This will be connected to the Fakra cable which is currently connected to the upper amp. The new upper amp will be connected back to the new lower amp via the two three pin connectors and repair wires. You'll have to make a small loom (I made mine 86 cm long) and wire pin 1 to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2 & pin 3 to pin 3. This pic should help.

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The old lower amp is help in by 3 x 10mm bolts. Unplug the cables first, the three large plugs on the back of the unit (see pic below) have a small red tab which needs to be pulled out before they can be unplugged.

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The new amp is a direct replacement. Here you can see the extra Fakra (green plug) for the ZF connector and the 3 wire loom (yellow wires) going to the new upper amp.

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and the new upper amp.

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Run all the new cables at the side of the existing Audi cables, use cable ties or loom tape if required. When I first switched on there was a short delay then all the FM stations popped up as normal. A quick VCDS scan revealed a few faults relating to unplugged antenna amps. I cleared these out and after a few engine starts can confirm that they didn't come back. So it looks like we have a working fix. I'll keep an ear on FM reception this week and post back if there are any issues.

I'll hang on to my old bits for a short while, but if anyone would like to make use of my old Golf module and cables or would like to use my old amps (8P4 035 225D and 8P4 035 225C) in a symphony II to symphony II+ "reverse fit" situation drop me a PM.

EDIT: 8P4 035 225D and 8P4 035 225C now sold
EDIT: Diversity module now sold
 
You don't need to cut into 6 pieces. You need 3 repair wires (which come with the pins already affixed to the end) and make yourself a loom with the black plugs. Remember to connect 1 - 1, 2 - 2, etc. The plugs do a have number on them but difficult to see. The image above may give the impression of 6 wires but it's just each end of the loom.
 
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I did this conversion and my radio reception is still not great. I went down the scrappie and took all the bits out a donor. All the correct part number etc do the Amps go bad?
 
I did this conversion and my radio reception is still not great.
To be honest my reception wasn't that much better either. On my current S3 I still get grey stations and the RNSE is factory..
I'm not sure about the amps sorry
 
You don't need to cut into 6 pieces. You need 3 repair wires (which come with the pins already affixed to the end) and make yourself a loom with the black plugs. Remember to connect 1 - 1, 2 - 2, etc. The plugs do a have number on them but difficult to see. The image above may give the impression of 6 wires but it's just each end of the loom.

That how I understood it but it the part listing is said (cut in half to give 6) not the image which is what confused me. Thanks
 
Ok, I see what you mean - some of the repair wires are too short so they need to be cut in half and have an extra piece added in the middle, making them approx 86cm. I bought mine off eBay, they were 100cm so didn't need to cut them.
 
Ok, I see what you mean - some of the repair wires are too short so they need to be cut in half and have an extra piece added in the middle, making them approx 86cm. I bought mine off eBay, they were 100cm so didn't need to cut them.
That makes sense now as I rang Audi today and he had them in stock, measured one and they were only 60cm long.
 
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Does this retrofit also work for a 2005 Audi A3 that came with concert radio?
 
There is only 1 way off finding out mate . Check your car you might already have the parts in your car . I have bought the parts for my 2009 S3 but not fitted yet and not sure if i will .
 
Thanks for the reply, what I can tell you is that I have only one wire that connect the end-e with the antenna....
 
You need to read the whole thread as it gives you a better insight to the retrofit .
 
I’ve read the entire thread and it seems my car already has the antenna and the diversity one. I don’t see how I forgot many years ago to also plug the diversity...
 
I’ve read the entire thread and it seems my car already has the antenna and the diversity one. I don’t see how I forgot many years ago to also plug the diversity...
Only you can answer that Question have you noticed that you have been getting more forgetful nowadays if so Doctors springs to mind .:thumbs up:.
Now the only way to find out for sure if you defo have is to pull boot doorcard off and headline trim .
 
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Does this retrofit also work for a 2005 Audi A3 that came with concert radio?

Well its a while since I wrote the thread, a long while.... You will have to check whats fitted to your car, as you have a pre 2007 car you may be OK. If you run your chassis number through one of the online parts catalogues (or a main dealer) it should list the amps that were fitted at the factory, or get the tools out and have a look!! Have fun.

J
 
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Looking at the back of the concert 2, my car was originalul equipped with it, there are two antennas. One radio and one for diversity.

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Well its a while since I wrote the thread, a long while.... You will have to check whats fitted to your car, as you have a pre 2007 car you may be OK. If you run your chassis number through one of the online parts catalogues (or a main dealer) it should list the amps that were fitted at the factory, or get the tools out and have a look!! Have fun.

J
Still good to see that your post is still getting used by people today . My only question is i have pretty good FM receiption but poor MW i have all the items you posted in your post but do you think i would be bettet just to leave it be the retro fit i mean . Cheers
 
Hi Guys,

I'm hoping someone can help me out please.

I've just completed this amp swap out conversion and everything seems to work OK on the surface.
However, when I scan the car now I get the following error codes:

Address 37: Navigation Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.lbl
Part No SW: 8P0 035 193 G HW: 8P0 035 193 G
Component: RNS-E PU EU H07 0220
Revision: 0000013S Serial number: AUZBZ7ND202463
Coding: 0209757
Shop #: WSC 13099 001 104857
VCID: 34616C92574C05BE4F5-8061

1 Fault Found:
00858 - Connection; Radio Intermediate Frequency (IF) Output to Antenna Amplifier
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 152
Mileage: 112772 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.08.27
Time: 10:52:16

Freeze Frame:
Mileage: 112770 km
Count: 2708
Clock: 10:54

My car is a 2011 plate but it is a 2012 model year.
The wiring process seems fairly straight forward and I can't really see where I have gone wrong, but something obviously isn't right.
The only difference I can see, is that my original lower amp only had one white wire running to it and not the two as in the original post.
The lower amp I've swapped out has the 3 connections, does it make a difference to which one I connect the extended Fakra cable to?

Could the lower amp I purchased of e-bay be faulty...How to do i check it?

Any thoughts and suggestion gratetfully excepted.

Thank you in advance.
 
( The lower amp I've swapped out has the 3 connections, does it make a difference to which one I connect the extended Fakra cable to? )

Does it not say in post to put the extended fakra cable to the extra fakra point and just put the original 2 you had ftom the old amp back into there normal fakra ports.
 

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Thank you for taking the time to reply, that is what I had done.
As stated in my post I only have the one existing / original wire running to the amp not two, as mine is a revised spec from the factory being a later model...so I was jut checking that it should to the yellow connection on the amp and not the grey.

I will re check the wiring, but I'm thinking its more likely to be the very cheap amp I bought off the bay as it was only about a fiver and when it arrived I noted it had some corrosion on the back plate, which makes me think it may be water damaged.

The weird thing is that it seems to work fine, but I just don't like having error codes.
 
Hi Guys,

I'm hoping someone can help me out please.

I've just completed this amp swap out conversion and everything seems to work OK on the surface.
However, when I scan the car now I get the following error codes:

Address 37: Navigation Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.lbl
Part No SW: 8P0 035 193 G HW: 8P0 035 193 G
Component: RNS-E PU EU H07 0220
Revision: 0000013S Serial number: AUZBZ7ND202463
Coding: 0209757
Shop #: WSC 13099 001 104857
VCID: 34616C92574C05BE4F5-8061

1 Fault Found:
00858 - Connection; Radio Intermediate Frequency (IF) Output to Antenna Amplifier
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 152
Mileage: 112772 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2018.08.27
Time: 10:52:16

Freeze Frame:
Mileage: 112770 km
Count: 2708
Clock: 10:54

My car is a 2011 plate but it is a 2012 model year.
The wiring process seems fairly straight forward and I can't really see where I have gone wrong, but something obviously isn't right.
The only difference I can see, is that my original lower amp only had one white wire running to it and not the two as in the original post.
The lower amp I've swapped out has the 3 connections, does it make a difference to which one I connect the extended Fakra cable to?

Could the lower amp I purchased of e-bay be faulty...How to do i check it?

Any thoughts and suggestion gratetfully excepted.

Thank you in advance.

Does the error return if you clear it?
What amplifier part numbers did you remove? Pictures would help too.
How many fakra connectors were on the back of the head unit you removed? Picture would help here too.

I’ll see if I can help if you provide the requested info.

J