Nice example of why we should be able to defend ourselves and our property without conviction, and however we see fit.
http://www.pjtv.com/v/3431
http://www.pjtv.com/v/3431
Nice example of why we should be able to defend ourselves and our property without conviction, and however we see fit.
http://www.pjtv.com/v/3431
I completely agree with you, its just a pity whichever party gets voted in wont have the balls to allow something like that to happen. How can a victim suddenly when faced with potentially a lethal threat inside their own home be turned into the guilty party when all they are doing is protecting themselves and their family.
Personally if i was ever in this sort of situation i'd use whatever is at hand to subdue them and risk the consequences after knowing full well i did it for my family, whereas sidi would probably just pull out his magnum and say 'feel lucky, punk!' and probably give them a heart attack lol.
Ninjitsu :icon_thumright:
Fair play fella, they got just what they deserved IMO. Just out of intrest what martial art do you study? I've been doing tae kwondo now for just over a year, only started because my sons done it since he was 3 1/2, when he went to the adult class after xmas last year i sat at the back getting really into it and thought sod it i'll have a go. My only wish now is that i'd started it earlier, i really like the sparring side of it and its made me feel a lot more confident should i ever feel the need for aggressive behaviour.
Im my personal opinion, i feel that the moment the law of this land is broken then you forgoe its protection.Persons caught inside personal property should be treated as fair game including torture.But if that was allowed, then they would come fully armed...imean properly.However, the subject of self defence and reasonable force can only be argued in court, which means the householder getting locked up, interviewed etc.Can you imagine how plod must feel having to lock a decent mop up as well as the scumbags?No pleasure at all.An englishmans home is his castle.Woe betide anyone that i find in my house.And staz,if we ever kept guns in the house, then they would come armed too.Though i must admit i do have dreams of extermination!:busted_cop:
Good stuff. My 16yo niece is English and Welsh champion, Tae Kwondo, and is off to the World Championships in Korea in July. She can certainly take care of herself!!!
Cheers,
You can defend yourself in your own home guys, you can use lethal force if needs be and you can justify it.
Ali J - good luck to your niece in Korea. It'll be chicken and boiled potatoes on the run up for her then?! :icon_thumright:
I do keep guns in the house, eleven of them to be exact, and around 2500 rounds of ammo, which the police know about and have no concerns. All securely locked in a home office approved gun safe with seperate storage for the ammo.Are you advocating keeping guns in the house Sidibear?
spot on John,sock it to 'em
@The Maestro, Tony Martin refused to show remorse hence he was not released. His legal council tried to show remorse on his behalf by saying his client was sorry for what he did but Tony shouted out that no he f**king wasn't. The two people who broke into his premises were notorious thieves with previous, Tony had been burgled several times and complained to the police who couldn't man his property 24/7 so he took his own defensive action against the burglars. Anyone of a sane mind would feel remorse not pride.
@ Staz, I totally agree about the responsibility aspect. With regards the USA Washington DC banned the carrying of handguns within the city limits and attack crime went up 35%. The CCW (carry concealed weapon) owners defied the law and open carried with the result that attack crime went back down again. Nothing worse for a bad guy than to find out your targetted victim is carrying.
Of course it's about escalation! If you allow people to keep guns in their homes there WILL be an increase in armed robberies and there WILL be an increase in gun related deaths and injuries.
I don't completely follow you there Staz...agreed there would be an increase in gun related deaths and injuries - but it would mostly be burglars and muggers with holes in them; no biggy :icon_thumright:
I don't completely follow you there Staz...agreed there would be an increase in gun related deaths and injuries - but it would mostly be burglars and muggers with holes in them; no biggy :icon_thumright:
Whereabouts did this turn into UK homeowners having guns to protect themselves?
As I said before I'm fully on side with protecting yourself and your family using self defence, if that means you end up killing someone because you used whatever weapon you could find then so be it. What I'm totally against is the idea of people carrying weapons or keeping them in the home for protection (sports are a completely different thing). If the would-be burglar survives the senario in the video there's a chance he'll never do it again, but if he doesn't stop do you really think the next time he tries it he's not going to be carrying a gun himself??Couple of points, your average homeowner does not posess a firearm, if he does it would be securely locked away with the ammo secured in a different safe. Therefore, if the homeowner used a firearm to protect themselves it would come under premeditated murder, because several steps were taken to use the firearm and not a spur of the moment thing. If the gun was just lying around handy on the off chance then it wasn't secured in accordance with the owners firearms license and he will lose his license and face arrest. (Perhaps one of our friends in the job could confirm this).
Another point, gangs in the USA shoot each other with illegal firearms, legally held firearm holders don't tend to shoot at each other.
Yes, we have gang killings in the UK, and once again, illegal firearms are used.
Bad guy breaking into your house to steal stuff will most likely be armed with something, screwdriver, hammer, knife. What is now your option to defend yourself? Oh no, best not, you don't want it to escalate now do you.
Trust me, when the time comes to defend yourself you will find a way and means to do it.
So no, its not about escalation, its about the ability to defend yourself and your property by whatever means neccessary.
Originally I thought you had understood where I was coming from when I referred to evidence from the USA. I was talking about the many cases of accidental deaths and kids going on rampages in schools. Those things don't happen here because firearms are not so easily accessible. That's how it should remain.
@Keeno, read the Cullen report if you want to know more about Dunblane, for instance, Thomas Hamiltons firearms officer said he should not have a gun but his manager over ruled him. Hamilton was a known paedophile and had connections with high ranking police officials and also several members of parliament, one of which is the current prime minister. Enough info is available but the really juicy stuff has a 100 year publication ban on it.
I can just imagine a burglar coming up the stairs with a sizzling deep fay fryer being careful not to spill it,I haven't got one so would they switch the george foreman grill on and pat me with it ?They said that many criminals are now switching on the deep fat fryer the minuet they get into a property.
If you disturb them they throw it on you.
Not much you can do to defend yourself against that
Not entirely true - Dunblane for example.
@Staz, you missed the point of the video. Its about not relying on the police to save you in a life or death situation as many liberals think you should do. I knew where you were coming from and I totally agree that firearms should not be easily accessable. And even if they were, its one thing to shoot at paper targets, its a whole different thing to shoot at someone living regardless of their intentions. You have been in the forces, you know what I mean with that. Playing on the range with the electronic targets is nothing like knowing its for real and the target is living, and your decision will end their life.
Accidents happen, deaths are caused but the inanimate object that causes it has a human behind it, and it matters not if its a gun, a knife or a stick with a nail in it. American culture is vastly different to the UK and cannot be used as a comparison.