Diesel Fightback
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The reality is air pollution is a real thing causing real harm to real people. This is a marketing piece to try and get you still buy diesel. By his own figures cited he proves that diesel pumps out more NOx than petrol but points the finger at another bogey man as a comforting diversion. Look - Squirrel!
Take the complexity of a modern diesels exhaust cycle. An Exhaust Gas Recirculation valve, Selective Catalytic Reduction, a Diesel Particulate Filter and a catalytic converter. These have a big negative effect on the efficiency of the engine but is necessary to make the exhaust gas more acceptable, but still it produces more NOx than petrol which only has a catalytic converter. The EA189 engine scandal (I had this engine at the time) revealed much more than Corporate cheating. Terrible test methods, general ignorance from Politicians and the Public, manipulated software, and Environmental Protection Systems that are disabled outside of their "optimum operating ambient temperature", meaning most of the time in the UK they are disabled by the software.
We've all been lied to by the Manufacturers, it will take time, better testing procedures and better data to win back trust, apologies Mr major motor manufacturer if I don't take your word for it just yet. But back to the real world, recently my 7 year old daughter was admitted to Hospital with an infection in her heel. There where 6 kids on the ward, 4 with respiratory problems. 2 left during her stay and 2 more kids came in with respiratory issues.
Take the complexity of a modern diesels exhaust cycle. An Exhaust Gas Recirculation valve, Selective Catalytic Reduction, a Diesel Particulate Filter and a catalytic converter. These have a big negative effect on the efficiency of the engine but is necessary to make the exhaust gas more acceptable, but still it produces more NOx than petrol which only has a catalytic converter. The EA189 engine scandal (I had this engine at the time) revealed much more than Corporate cheating. Terrible test methods, general ignorance from Politicians and the Public, manipulated software, and Environmental Protection Systems that are disabled outside of their "optimum operating ambient temperature", meaning most of the time in the UK they are disabled by the software.
We've all been lied to by the Manufacturers, it will take time, better testing procedures and better data to win back trust, apologies Mr major motor manufacturer if I don't take your word for it just yet. But back to the real world, recently my 7 year old daughter was admitted to Hospital with an infection in her heel. There where 6 kids on the ward, 4 with respiratory problems. 2 left during her stay and 2 more kids came in with respiratory issues.
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We get jerked around by far left, Greens fanatics who bully European governments as to the current cause celebre for the environment. In Germany they've bullied the Government to switch away from clean nuclear in favour of coal produced electricity and here they're doing the same in favour of expensive electric cars which have poor range, plug into the power grid and necessitate dirty battery production.
At the end of the day-Euro 6 Diesel is no more polluting than Petrol. Fact.
Additionally-petrol burns more fuel and releases more C02 than diesel.
It's just political madness. What about HGVs and busses? Surely they are major contributors to the urban pollution issue.
Additionally-petrol burns more fuel and releases more C02 than diesel.
It's just political madness. What about HGVs and busses? Surely they are major contributors to the urban pollution issue.
That's the same greens in Germany where Installed wind/solar capacity at 89GW is greater than the coal /nuclear/ lignite installed capacity of 60 GW. Renewables is and has been on the march for many years in Germany .. nothing to do with dieselgate .. it's everywhere (as someone who travels there regularly for 20 yrs, You can see it in all regions ).. nuclear capacity has been halved in Germany, you're quite correct, but coal/ lignite capacity is static - whereas solar/wind/biomass has surged...
The biggest issue for Diesel , including Euro 6, is sub micron particulate .Nox is a problem but can be handled by current technology... sub micron can't be filtered .. and very bad for health when in the lungs / blood stream. After 7 yrs of Diesel, for me , it's personally time to switch.
Depends what you define as pollution though...
Take Sub micron particulate - is unique to Diesel - incredibly bad for health. EU6 doesn't measure and modern exhaust can't filter. Lots of government / academic studies from many countries - just google Diesel sub micron....
Let's not cherry pick, 80% of Germany's reduced nuclear has been switched to coal - in Trump style. Let's not forget the huge cost and taxpayer funded subsidies in Germany for renewables (and here in the UK) such that the Germans now suffer the most expensive retail energy prices in the EU. On the other hand France's nuclear is a source of national pride, produces cheaply, cleanly and efficiently around 80% of their power such that they install conventional electric power in most new builds and sell their energy to other countries. If we listen to the Greens and their bogey men we may as well employ witch doctors.
Now that diesel is producing far less C02 which the Greens said would make the certain icecaps disappear by now (they have actually expanded
) they have "discovered" the latest bogey man "submicron particules" - strange that China has one of the largest "problems" but virtually no diesel cars. The private motorist is a soft, easy target for extra taxes in the west. 
Let's not cherry pick, 80% of Germany's reduced nuclear has been switched to coal - in Trump style. Let's not forget the huge cost and taxpayer funded subsidies in Germany for renewables (and here in the UK) such that the Germans now suffer the most expensive retail energy prices in the EU. On the other hand France's nuclear is a source of national pride, produces cheaply, cleanly and efficiently around 80% of their power such that they install conventional electric power in most new builds and sell their energy to other countries. If we listen to the Greens and their bogey men we may as well employ witch doctors.
Now that diesel is producing far less C02 which the Greens said would make the certain icecaps disappear by now (they have actually expanded
China... industrial pollution : I travel there regularly (6-7 times a year).. ... they have a lot of Diesel too... trucks, construction equipment and generators - and zero regulation . But industrial and construction smog is the major headache, literally... and the heat/ humidity which traps it. Traffic does exacerbate it - and a lot of cars are poorly maintained , so burn a shed load of oil .. and millions of 2 stroke scooters.... thankfully giving way to ebikes... I'm a fan of nuclear - France though has a ticking problem : it's not renewing its nuclear capacity at anywhere near the rate to compensate for end of life, even with lifetime extensions .. look at the problem of the overrun on EDF and Arriva major Nuclear projects...
Agree we motorists are a soft target , no debate there ...
Not A4 related I agree
Let's not cherry pick, 80% of Germany's reduced nuclear has been switched to coal - in Trump style. Let's not forget the huge cost and taxpayer funded subsidies in Germany for renewables (and here in the UK) such that the Germans now suffer the most expensive retail energy prices in the EU. On the other hand France's nuclear is a source of national pride, produces cheaply, cleanly and efficiently around 80% of their power such that they install conventional electric power in most new builds and sell their energy to other countries. If we listen to the Greens and their bogey men we may as well employ witch doctors.
Now that diesel is producing far less C02 which the Greens said would make the certain icecaps disappear by now (they have actually expanded
Ah I see yet more woefully inaccurate and biased information just to suit you anti-left, pro-fossil fuel agenda....
I am all for nuclear, and think it should receive more research to overcome its negatives, but cheap it certainly aint...
https://www.ft.com/content/b8e24306-48e5-11e6-8d68-72e9211e86ab?mhq5j=e1
This was over a year ago, and yet the cost still keeps growing...
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2017/07/hi...budget-and-all-theyve-done-is-dig-some-holes/
Hinkley Point C is proving itself to be the most ludicrous waste of money, costing the tax payer billions and will result in energy nearly double the cost of current wholesale prices. And then there is all the money the government uses to deal with the nuclear waste and the 24hr guarding of weapons grade material.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-costs-of-nuclear-waste-disposal-foi-130416
If this was for renewable tech you would be having a field day, but for some reason you turn a blind eye for nuclear...
"Let's not forget the huge cost and taxpayer funded subsidies in Germany for renewables (and here in the UK)" - and lets not forget the huge cost and taxpayer funded subsidies into fossil fuels! Wouldn't want to be accused of cherry picking now would we...?
https://www.odi.org.uk/sites/odi.org.uk/files/odi-assets/publications-opinion-files/9245.pdf
"we may as well employ witch doctors" - Couldn't agree more...I take it you appreciate the incredible advancements we have made by adopting an evidence based approached to medicine now then...? Just you accused the World Health Organisation of 'guessing' in the last thread...? Or was that because it concerned diesels and negative health outcomes, and you didn't like the sound of that...?
"would make the certain icecaps disappear by now (they have actually expanded
)" - Yes some have slightly expanded in certain years - namely the Antartica, which has seen very high variability year on year, but Greenland and the Artic have seen a very obvious decline in sea ice, leading to a overall net loss in sea ice globally. You cant possibly be suggesting that because one area fluctuates and sometimes indicates expansion, we need not worry about other larger sea ice loss in areas around the globe...?Some cool interactive graphs here for your information:
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
