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Hi all sorry i know this has been discussed but i can't find the answer I'm looking for.

I've got the A4 DTM 2.0tfsi and over the weekend driving on the M69 oil pressure light came on as i went to pull over on to the hard shoulder engine failed. Lost compression so need a rebuild to cut a long story short.

First time the light came on and all happened within seconds.

So ,y question, any one had a rebuild done before on this engine and know of any good rebuild places in East midlands area preferably Leicester. Need it done asap as I'm currently having to hire a car from a hire company to get to work etc.

Please help.
 
Sorry to hear that buddy.

This is the exact reason I'm dropping mine off tomorrow to have the sump removed and a new oil pick up pipe installed as I have no idea of the history of the car.
I'm hopping to avoid this issue with a clean out and regular 6k service intervals.
I hope you get it sorted soon mate at a reasonable price sorry I can't be of any help though.
 
You should maybe look for a good second hand low mileage engine instead of getting it rebuilt,in my experience they are never the same after a rebuild.would also depend on what damage has been done
 
Let us know what you decide to do because it's always interesting to see the thread conclusion and what you ended up doing

Hopefully if you do rebuild then it won't be to many parts?

What generally goes when the pickup pipe gets blocked and the pressure goes tits up?
 
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So found a good garage in leicester that specialise in this stuff. First thing first if you have a BUL engine it's a nightmare to get parts.

Anyway they began stripping the engine down today to see exact damage and will report back to me tomorrow. Also found Engine Power on Coventry to Remanufacture the engine if these guys can't get anywhere.

I will keep you updated.
 
Sorry not too clued up in this as such. But if it was me id be looking at fitting an s3 engine with a k04 turbo or the like, if it's easily possible. While it's out do all the service items for peace of mind.
 
Sorry to hear that buddy.

This is the exact reason I'm dropping mine off tomorrow to have the sump removed and a new oil pick up pipe installed as I have no idea of the history of the car.
I'm hopping to avoid this issue with a clean out and regular 6k service intervals.
I hope you get it sorted soon mate at a reasonable price sorry I can't be of any help though.

Just out of interest who is doing your oil pickup pipe for you? And what engine/car do you have?

So found a good garage in leicester that specialise in this stuff. First thing first if you have a BUL engine it's a nightmare to get parts.

Anyway they began stripping the engine down today to see exact damage and will report back to me tomorrow. Also found Engine Power on Coventry to Remanufacture the engine if these guys can't get anywhere.

I will keep you updated.

I have a BUL engine have had for a while now. Never had a issue with parts? Which particular part/parts are you after or should I say which are you struggling to get hold of?

Also curious as to what caused your engine to go as I have a DTM myself and have experienced the oil pressure light but thankfully mine was for a different reason.

I must say there is a sudden increase in failure in the DTMs especially low oil pressure in the last week I have seen 3 people had there engines go. Which is sad really as it not doing the car much justice as it is a amazing car.
 
Just out of interest who is doing your oil pickup pipe for you? And what engine/car do you have?



I have a BUL engine have had for a while now. Never had a issue with parts? Which particular part/parts are you after or should I say which are you struggling to get hold of?

Also curious as to what caused your engine to go as I have a DTM myself and have experienced the oil pressure light but thankfully mine was for a different reason.

I must say there is a sudden increase in failure in the DTMs especially low oil pressure in the last week I have seen 3 people had there engines go. Which is sad really as it not doing the car much justice as it is a amazing car.


Cjp Autosport Basingstoke the owner there (Clayton) builds rally cars he's awesome he's looked after all my cars now for the past 8 years, he built a twin engine fiesta that won some 0-60 challenge and specialises in cosworths he races mexicos and stuff top bloke

My car goes in there in the next hour so hopefully it should extend the life of it with a bit of luck
 
Still think the long service plans are 2 blame for most of the problem with these engines.
 
To make it easier to source parts for your engine... The BUL is no different to any of the 200bhp TFSI variants from a golf gti etc.
Internals are no different. Things change when you go for the k04 variants like the edition 30 which has stronger rods... The S3 variant also has stronger rods pistons and high lift cams, but all use the same block.

It would probably cheaper to buy stronger rods and pistons for yours, then have the bores honed ready for installation. That's what I would do, as oem parts tend to be more than some upgraded after market parts.
 
To make it easier to source parts for your engine... The BUL is no different to any of the 200bhp TFSI variants from a golf gti etc.
Internals are no different. Things change when you go for the k04 variants like the edition 30 which has stronger rods... The S3 variant also has stronger rods pistons and high lift cams, but all use the same block.

It would probably cheaper to buy stronger rods and pistons for yours, then have the bores honed ready for installation. That's what I would do, as oem parts tend to be more than some upgraded after market parts.


That's pretty true actually, aftermarket performance parts will no doubt be cheaper than audi
originals plus you would have a better engine?
or stronger too
 
That's pretty true actually, aftermarket performance parts will no doubt be cheaper than audi
originals plus you would have a better engine?
or stronger too

Yeah definitely, much stronger.... In fact that strong that the sky is the limit in most cases, and with this unfortunate situation arising, why not make a long term improvement out of a bad situation, especially while it's in bits.

Any future power increases are then just a question of which turbo do you buy. Especially with oil starvation, the turbo might not be in excellent shape either, and as above, swap it out for a k04/hybrid. It is all money though and just depends on how much you like the car aswell.
 
Still think the long service plans are 2 blame for most of the problem with these engines.

Mines on 109k now and always been on longlife. I don't agree with it either, but touch wood, everything seems to be ok. I've found it's over servicing these engines that cause the problem. Where as it was the other way round on the 1.8t.
 
What sort of issues Craig? Dead curious now.

The pick up pipe failure mate. Everyone I've seen is either serviced long before it's due or not serviced at all. Where as on the 1.8t, the viscosity of the long life was too high, clogging up the pick up pipe, so short life service was essential. My Cupra R had 170k on when I sold it. As much as these longlife services sound rediculous, they must be able to take it otherwise Audi wouldn't recommend it. I guess that's the reason I have stuck with it.
 
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Mines on 109k now and always been on longlife. I don't agree with it either, but touch wood, everything seems to be ok. I've found it's over servicing these engines that cause the problem. Where as it was the other way round on the 1.8t.

I'm not sure I understand how to much clean oil and clean serviceable parts like filters can contribute to the failure
of an engine!?

I Don't think there is such a thing as over servicing an engine, the cleaner the oil the better the lubrication
properties and the better the protection surely ?
 
I'm not sure I understand how to much clean oil and clean serviceable parts like filters can contribute to the failure
of an engine!?

I Don't think there is such a thing as over servicing an engine, the cleaner the oil the better the lubrication
properties and the better the protection surely ?

Well it's always been something I've questioned aswell, but I work for skoda and they advise the same. You would think cleaner oil would be better, but I guess it needs to allow for fuel, condensation/water which will naturally thin it out over time. It wasn't until I fitted a catch can system that I realised just how much fuel/water and what ever else circulates around the engine during it's everyday cycle. This surely contributes to the viscosity, meaning less chance of clogging as it's thinner. But also on average I put 1 ltr of oil in every 1000 miles, so your basically changing the oil whilst running it every 4000 miles anyway, but still getting the use out of it.

Like I say, it's something I've been brought up with from my dad aswell from the RS Cosworth days. As a highly skilled engineer, his engines were the one thing that never let him down and he always said... "Over servicing is as bad as not servicing them at all" it's worked for him lol and at 13 years of driving, it's worked for me aswell lol! But who knows, it could all be bollacks lol!!
 
Craig is correct in what his saying but the slight difference would be that I wouldn't say that theory above applies to all vehicles.
 
Well it's always been something I've questioned aswell, but I work for skoda and they advise the same. You would think cleaner oil would be better, but I guess it needs to allow for fuel, condensation/water which will naturally thin it out over time. It wasn't until I fitted a catch can system that I realised just how much fuel/water and what ever else circulates around the engine during it's everyday cycle. This surely contributes to the viscosity, meaning less chance of clogging as it's thinner. But also on average I put 1 ltr of oil in every 1000 miles, so your basically changing the oil whilst running it every 4000 miles anyway, but still getting the use out of it.

Like I say, it's something I've been brought up with from my dad aswell from the RS Cosworth days. As a highly skilled engineer, his engines were the one thing that never let him down and he always said... "Over servicing is as bad as not servicing them at all" it's worked for him lol and at 13 years of driving, it's worked for me aswell lol! But who knows, it could all be bollacks lol!!

Haha

fair enough, you do make a good point actually putting in 1L every 1k miles lol self servicing engines!!!

Hey we should be more positive lmao

;)
 
Would be interesting 2 see how many of these problems are on cars with long service against a list that are changed every year or 6000ish miles. But like it says above we should be more positive lol and if you replace the parts in question as part of a service plan oil change times and rate wouldnt matter because the new part wont have any wear and tear same as putting in fresh oil every few miles (will be like always having fresh oil lol) Lots of scare/horror stories on the net but most people only write about problems.
 
Update with the car. Been stripped down and as craigcull said parts are the same as the others this apparently just had different compression ratio 10.3 instead of 10.5, bigger injectors and turbo.

Like you guys said the sourcing begins :yes:

Ill keep you all updated i really appreciate the help. I've got it to the best guy in Leicester for engines and he said that it a common issue with these engines and other audi engines the pickup pipe getting blocked and blamed the long life servicing. Best to use engine flush and keep to regular oil changes to keep the engine free of build up.

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Would be interesting 2 see how many of these problems are on cars with long service against a list that are changed every year or 6000ish miles. But like it says above we should be more positive lol and if you replace the parts in question as part of a service plan oil change times and rate wouldnt matter because the new part wont have any wear and tear same as putting in fresh oil every few miles (will be like always having fresh oil lol) Lots of scare/horror stories on the net but most people only write about problems.

Agreed.

Think about this.....

hundreds of thousands of these engines sold and say only 5% fail or have issues but out of those 5% only 1% ever
bother to log on and share their issues the other 95% are very happy.

Nobody ever writes about the positives because nobody cares we don't worry when things are going right we only worry when things
go tits up.

It's great to share the info though Gio is a top bloke....I'd just like to add that haha

but it's true we only ever hear about the problems never the positives.
 
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Update with the car. Been stripped down and as craigcull said parts are the same as the others this apparently just had different compression ratio 10.3 instead of 10.5, bigger injectors and turbo.

Like you guys said the sourcing begins :yes:

Ill keep you all updated i really appreciate the help. I've got it to the best guy in Leicester for engines and he said that it a common issue with these engines and other audi engines the pickup pipe getting blocked and blamed the long life servicing. Best to use engine flush and keep to regular oil changes to keep the engine free of build up.

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So he confirmed it was the pickup pipe being blocked?
And this was the cause?
 
It's was on 92k with full Audi history and always ran on long life service. On my brought it a few months back so really I should have inspected it a bit more but fell for the full dealer history part. To be honest the prev owner did look after it had everything done at audi loads of paperwork. It being a DTM I have to fix it can't let another number fall off the list.
 
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We had a 3.2v6 A4 Avant that had a full Audi long service plan and one previous owner who spent ££££ on maintaining it with just about every extra you could have, that only lasted 2 weeks until strange noises from cold starts. All Audi could do for it would be 2 replace cam chain and tensioners at around £4000 and they said it still might not sort the noise lol luckily we were still in the warranty so got our cash back and then fell in love with the DTM. Still think it was the long service plan that caused the problems with the 3.2
 
I don't think Full Audi Service History counts for much. It adds to the value of second hand cars but frankly I don't believe in it. The local indies I have used are far more knowledgeable and willing to discuss things with you. They have to survive on reputation not the shiney showroom and "free" coffee.

Sadly I'm about to be trapped into main dealer as my B8 S4 has landed at the dealers. In order to guarantee the warranty I'll have to do the main dealer thing. My heart sinks at the prospect....
 
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To stick to warranty guidelines you have to use genuine parts and a Vat registered garage, obviously sticking to the service schedules. No need to use Audi if you aren't happy with the level of service.
 
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To stick to warranty guidelines you have to use genuine parts and a Vat registered garage, obviously sticking to the service schedules. No need to use Audi if you aren't happy with the level of service.

Yep, I understand all that but frankly it'll be an uphill battle if anything goes pop and the S4 has expensive bits. :)
 
Very true. My old man has a brand new s4 and it's an awesome bit of kit!
 
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Mother F@@@ers!!

That pipe is a real b@@@h!!

Sorry to hear about your car Arj. Hope it gets fixed and back on the road in no time.

Yes the pickup is a problem on the 2.0TFSI engine, just like it is the 1.8T engines. If you read my build thread (link in signature) you'll see my 2.0TFSI Quattro (similar and earlier than the DTM version) recently had the sump off (suspension dropped whilst engine held above) to change the pipeup pipe. The new part from Audi turned out to be incorrect so the existing pipe and sump were cleaned out. It was full of swarf and crud (probably from machining the engine at the factory). The garage (V Hub Tewkesbury) agreed with me that Audi can't have been cleaning out their engines properly before assembling them. So it all collects in the sump ready to block up the pickup pipe, oil starving the engine, leading to failure. To try to cure an ongoing oil leak I also had the oil filter, cooler and housing removed off the engine, cleaned out and new seals put in. This mean't almost another litre of (trapped in the system) oil was removed for the oil change (more than normal new oil was used afterwards).
 
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It's great to share the info though Gio is a top bloke....I'd just like to add that haha

Thanks:happy:

It's was on 92k with full Audi history and always ran on long life service. On my brought it a few months back so really I should have inspected it a bit more but fell for the full dealer history part. To be honest the prev owner did look after it had everything done at audi loads of paperwork. It being a DTM I have to fix it can't let another number fall off the list.

I like the positive ATTITUDE and you are dam right we will not have another DTM sent to the crusher!!! There is only 217 of them left in the UK we need to keep it that way.

I don't think Full Audi Service History counts for much. It adds to the value of second hand cars but frankly I don't believe in it. The local indies I have used are far more knowledgeable and willing to discuss things with you. They have to survive on reputation not the shiney showroom and "free" coffee.

Sadly I'm about to be trapped into main dealer as my B8 S4 has landed at the dealers. In order to guarantee the warranty I'll have to do the main dealer thing. My heart sinks at the prospect....

I will admit it is nice to have Full audi history but quite frankly its usually only good till around 60k as most owners with DTMs will have it serviced by Audi till 60k. But in reality Audi naturally put cars on long life from day one which is stupid because they should ask the customer there expected mileage etc. But then again they in it for the long run and profit and 60k miles is only 3 services to them. Compared to 6 for variable service.

I am having a company I have used before that is going to be fitting my oil pick up and chain tensioner etc. The nice thing is when using Audi part is that all parts are covered by a 2 year warranty. In the event of the part failing and the part in question is under 47 or 50 quid then the dealer you used can replace the parts as well as the damage. If the part is over £50 then it has to be sent to Audi for an inspection and if the damage was caused because of that particular part failing they most of the time will replace what ever has been damaged as well as anything it took in the process. But yes your point is valid indies do prefer to discuss things more and allow you to sometimes view there work as well as walk into there workshops..As well as a 45-60 quid labour charge as to 110-120 p/h

As far as I remember as long as you take your car to a valid service centre it doesnt have to be a Audi to warrant the guarantee.
"Under EU Block Exemption legislation which has been around for many years now, a manufacturer cannot force a buyer to have their car serviced by their official dealership network, and cannot refuse to honour a new car warranty simply because a car has been serviced elsewhere. However, a manufacturer does have the right to set a servicing schedule which must be adhered to.

As a car owner, you have the right to take your car to any licenced garage or mechanic for servicing, but you must ensure that the servicing is carried out exactly as per the manufacturer’s servicing schedule. This means servicing must be undertaken on time and must use any genuine parts or lubricants specified by the manufacturer.

If you choose to have your car serviced by an independent garage or mechanic, make sure they are reputable.

If your car requires repair work under its new car warranty, the manufacturer has the right to insist that this work is undertaken by its official dealerships. This is entirely fair, since the manufacturer – rather than you – is paying for this work.

Basically, a good rule to remember is that if you’re paying for the work, you have the right to choose who does the work."

Just some food for thought Scotty
 
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Atleast it's on the mend mate! A lad on fb posted about the same thing happening on his golf gti, but usually you hear a rattle at the top end on idle. The pick up pipe is only £30 but you gotta drop the subframe down and then have the wheel alignment done again. Apparently it could be possible to get to it without taking the bolts all the way out but not 100%.
 
Atleast it's on the mend mate! A lad on fb posted about the same thing happening on his golf gti, but usually you hear a rattle at the top end on idle. The pick up pipe is only £30 but you gotta drop the subframe down and then have the wheel alignment done again. Apparently it could be possible to get to it without taking the bolts all the way out but not 100%.

When mine was done we found the subframe bolts have to be completely removed and the subframe dropped right down. This means disconnecting the steering rack, engine mounts (supported on a wing to wing rail engine hoist), water lines, turbo oil line to sump, air conditioning lines (so degassed), plus a few other bits. The subframe bolts on mine took 1.5 hrs to remove (yes really!). They were copper greased before refitting. They can be reused 3 times before requiring replacement according to Audi Solihull.

Afterwards I was told by VHub to have the suspension re-aligned (as there wasn't time at the garage on the day). I found however, my tracking remained the same and haven't bothered!!

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Is it just the quattro set up that needs the subframe dropping? I've had the pipe and oil for a while and reading this is making me want to get on with it!
 
Is it just the quattro set up that needs the subframe dropping? I've had the pipe and oil for a while and reading this is making me want to get on with it!

Do it!

Mine is a 2008, FSH 43k miles 2.0tfsi running beautifully but decided I'd rather spend the money now
getting the cambelt waterpump and pickup done before I have any problems.
It's being done yesterday and today he said the oil looked fine, pickup had some crap in it, and oil pan had normal amounts
of crap that you would expect.
I'm hoping this is a good investment to prevent any future problems and as suggested here
I will be doing oil and filter changes every 6k and keep some quality oil in the boot for top ups every 1000k

Prevention is better than a cure.

I have no idea of the cost but will post back later when I get the bill and give you all an idea of what the
price will be.

He's also checking the fuel cam, and bolting on the revised DV valve plus obviously the oil and filter change when the
pickup pipe is all back in and bolted up.
 
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