Now why could i not say that. Spot on buddy
Right hookers only in the UK and left hookers elsewhere, difficult but would help.
Right hookers only in the UK and left hookers elsewhere, difficult but would help.
Now why could i not say that. Spot on buddy
Right hookers only in the UK and left hookers elsewhere, difficult but would help.
It was not a scare story about petrol shortages, The same could be said about bread on supermarket shelves etc etc. And yes the economy is not all about trucks, but restricting trucking hours would cause serious problems for many businesses. Road safety is very important but restricting truckers travelling isn't a proper answer.
As other have said before there are good and bad drivers, in cars, vans, and trucks.(You clearly don't drive much then, 9 times out of 10 they will continue in their path along the inside lane and not slow to let you off the slip road, and they wont move over either because there is normally another trucker on their offside trying to overtake at 2 more mph than the truck in the inside.)
Firstly if you notice when coming off a slip road there are two sets of broken white lines, these mean you have to give way to vehicles on the carrigeway and not the other way round, it is up to the vehicles on the carrigeway if they let you out or not.
Also there are plenty of cars out there who wont move over or speed up to let trucks out, so it works both ways.
(And 9 times out of 10 when travelling down a 2 lane dual carriageway like, for example the A14 towards london, they will bang on their indicator and just move over regardless of any traffic in the outside lane.)
This is somthing i hate as well, truckers do this to other truckers not just cars. Personally i will wait till there is a gap in the traffic before i pull out to overtake, if not i indicate and wait till someone lets me out.
(If their brakes have so much to stop then why do they sit right up my ******* **** on the motorway when I have a car 20 yards in front of me.
I'll tell you why, its because it takes so long for truck to reach their top speed, they view anyone slowing them slightly from that speed with disdain and cut up or tailgate accordingly, they bully other road users with their size, and as such should receive greater penalties.)
This is an example of the worst kind of driving, and is just an accident waiting to happen, i dont use the the size of my vehicle to intimidate and would never sit up the **** of anyone.
But there are car drivers who do this to trucks, i had one driver sit so close behind that i couldnt see him in my mirrors, the only way i knew he was there was i could see his headlights under my trailer.
If i had to brake suddenly he would have gone right into the taillift and proberly been killed, that is something i wouldnt want to live with, knowing someone died even though it wasnt my fault.
Why has this turned into a slate the HGV driver thread, dont forget that the car you drive, the chair you sit on and even the food you eat comes by truck. This thread was started because of a crash on the M6 caused by a forigen truck driver not a british one."there are good and bad drivers, in cars, vans, and trucks"
That's pretty obvious to anyone. The difference is that:
1. HGV drivers are supposed to be professional drivers, specially trained, highly experienced etc etc, whereas your average car driver is pretty much a moron who passed a 30 minute test 20 years ago and may only drive on the motorway once a month (if at all).
There is no special training to drive a truck all they teach you is how to manouvre a longer wider vehicle around junctions and roundabouts.
As for being professional, anyone in charge of a vehicle is supposed to be professional, and i dont think people on here will take kindly being called morons.
2. A bad car driver crashes and it's exchange insurance details, a bad HGV crashes and its break out the bodybags and close the motorway.
So what your saying is that two cars crashing wont end in loss of life, granted a 30mph shunt wont kill anyone, but as shown on fifthgear a car plowing into standing traffic at 70mph will cause major loss of life.
If people cannot figure out the difference then I feel very sorry for them, so please stop wasting everyone's time with replies like the one above.
As for the people who don't seem to think the problem is that prevalent in the UK and its just a few bad apples, just try driving up the A34 any day of the week and see how long it takes for you to start swearing at inconsiderate HGV's trying to overtake each other on a dual carriageway going up a hill.
If your sat behind a slower vehicle you wont pull out and overtake, if another truck can keep his speed up on a hill why should he sit behind a fully laden truck struggling up the hill.
AndyMac said:2. A bad car driver crashes and it's exchange insurance details, a bad HGV crashes and its break out the bodybags and close the motorway.
AndyMac said:just try driving up the A34 any day of the week and see how long it takes for you to start swearing at inconsiderate HGV's trying to overtake each other on a dual carriageway going up a hill.
Why has this turned into a slate the HGV driver thread, dont forget that the car you drive, the chair you sit on and even the food you eat comes by truck. This thread was started because of a crash on the M6 caused by a forigen truck driver not a british one.
Steve_N said:caused by a forigen truck driver not a british one.
I'm glad to say I have no idea what a "chewbacca defence" is. (grow up, it's a kids film)
AndyMac said:Nothing to do with the debate really but since you raised it, experience is everything in driving, especially safety, that's why premiums get lower - durrrr!
AndyMac said:The old timer could fall asleep at the wheel just as easily as the youngster could have been up all night popping pills etc etc.
AndyMac said:"...and that is a real oversimplification" - its a generalisation I admit, but that's what we're dealing with here. HGV's kill twice as many people on the roads per mile, that's a fact, or is that oversimplifying again.
AndyMac said:"Inconsiderate maybe, but is that in itself inherently dangerous?"
Well I'd like to recommend a spot on a motorway where an HGV will have an horrendous crash in the near future, but my crystal ball has just been "upgraded" with Vista so no longer works too well. My point was that in my experience (20 years, 20k miles per year) I will see an HGV driver behaving stupidly/inconsiderately/dangerously every day I'm on the road, so they're not these romantic "knights of the road" figures that some people seem to think.
FactionOne said:4) I have to say in summary, from my own observations (I haven't carried-out a controlled study, but on average I spend very little over an hour of every working day outside of my car) there are some shocking HGVs and drivers on our roads, from here, there, everywhere. At the same time some of the HGV drivers on our roads are the best examples of gentlemen (and I guess ladies), indeed, knights of the road. To the bad ones, shame on you - I hope the law catches you. To the good - a salute, I'm appreciative of the courtesy you offer and the service you provide.
AndyMac said:Yes, the same goes for bikes and cars, but the standard should be higher from professional drivers and I don't see it.
AndyMac said:I agree most truckers are excellent drivers, but thats their job so they ****** well should be!!!!
AndyMac said:As for the people who don't seem to think the problem is that prevalent in the UK and its just a few bad apples, just try driving up the A34 any day of the week and see how long it takes for you to start swearing at inconsiderate HGV's trying to overtake each other on a dual carriageway going up a hill.
AndyMac said:If you saw a police driver 2 inches off the bumper of an artic you'd be almost compelled to make a complaint. Yes everyone ***** up once in a while but it seems to be a little more than that with HGV's, and it's certainly got worse. Whether it's because of foreign drivers, cost cutting, congestion or all of the above, peak time lane restrictions on motorways would save lives, and that's pretty much a fact and well worth doing. Do it for a week, see what happens. I think there should be more trials. Have a day when all traffic lights are switched off, have a no motorway speed limit day - see what happens, doubt the powers that be would like the results.
OK I'll spell it out:
"Most HGV drivers" just means over 50%, so that could be 51%, leaving 49% that aren't, which I think you'll agree is not just a few bad apples.
AndyMac said:Yes, because you wipe out families on a regular basis, close motorways pretty much everyday of the week and in my experience show little consideration for the non professional drivers on the roads who pay your wages.
Apart from that you're super sweet knights of the roads!
AndyMac said:The example of overtaking is not a directly dangerous one I agree, but surely you can see that:
1. It shows no consideration for other road users, and is no benefit to the HGV's either as all that happens is the "overtaking" HGV eventually pulls back in behind the truck he was trying to overtake leaving a mile long queue of bunched up frustrated drivers in his wake.
If they have so little understanding of the impact of their own behaviour then I'd hate to think what else they think is an OK manoevour on our roads.
AndyMac said:2. While not directly dangerous, the manoevour above causes bunching and frustration, so has a snowball effect when the car drivers eventually get past the holdup. And could influence their behaviour if they see another HGV about to perform the same ******** manoevour.
AndyMac said:As to the police example, I'm saying I've never seen a police car drive like that, but I see HGV's doing it everyday. What does that tell you?
Rob...haven't you locked this yet
AndyMac said:When did I ever say all HGV's are dangerous? I never have.
AndyMac said:Yes, because you wipe out families on a regular basis, close motorways pretty much everyday of the week and in my experience show little consideration for the non professional drivers on the roads who pay your wages.
Apart from that you're super sweet knights of the roads!
AndyMac said:I'm sure eventually you'll stop banging about 51% (which was just an example of how low "most" could be), and actually lower yourself to at least consider the more important points made in my last post.
I know Andy (djakster) so he would have taken it the way it was meant. Should have a put a smiley face on that one sorry.
AndyMac said:In fact you are the one who's been arguing semantics from day one. If you'd bothered to read the posts rather than skimming them you would see it's more your comments that have me supposedly damming every HGV driver out there. Do you really think I'm that much of a moron (don't answer that). All I've said all along is that there are more than a few bad truckers out there and the situation is getting worse. There's a lot of good ones, but it seems to me they are a dying breed (not a good expression to use, sorry).
AndyMac said:<snip>Do you really think I'm that much of a moron (don't answer that)<snip>
AndyMac said:I don't know if this is because standards are slipping or congestion is getting worse but the problem needs to be tackled, and apart from more rigorous safety checks I don't see anyone coming up with any helpful solutions. IMO the whole MOT system needs to be completely overhauled for all vehicles. It's a joke, and not a very good one. It should be nationalised with maybe VOSA type bods hanging out at petrol stations checking out vehicles while they fill up.
All I've said all along is that there are more than a few bad truckers out there and the situation is getting worse. There's a lot of good ones, but it seems to me they are a dying breed (not a good expression to use, sorry). I don't know if this is because standards are slipping or congestion is getting worse but the problem needs to be tackled, and apart from more rigorous safety checks I don't see anyone coming up with any helpful solutions. IMO the whole MOT system needs to be completely overhauled for all vehicles. It's a joke, and not a very good one. It should be nationalised with maybe VOSA type bods hanging out at petrol stations checking out vehicles while they fill up.
Sorry are we boring you?Rob...haven't you locked this yet
Rob dont lock I need to catch up with this one.
interesting debates, also do not fuk with faction one !
With all this talk about 51/49%, I now have an excuse to call Rob Fraction One.
You clearly don't drive much then, 9 times out of 10 they will continue in their path along the inside lane and not slow to let you off the slip road, and they wont move over either because there is normally another trucker on their offside trying to overtake at 2 more mph than the truck in the inside.
And 9 times out of 10 when travelling down a 2 lane dual carriageway like, for example the A14 towards london, they will bang on their indicator and just move over regardless of any traffic in the outside lane.
If their brakes have so much to stop then why do they sit right up my ******* **** on the motorway when I have a car 20 yards in front of me.
I'll tell you why, its because it takes so long for truck to reach their top speed, they view anyone slowing them slightly from that speed with disdain and cut up or tailgate accordingly, they bully other road users with their size, and as such should receive greater penalties.