Stop-Start Poll

[veeeight]

that is a pathetic excuse for an example to be very fking honest. no imagination from you. well done. nothing at all like the reversing example given above

What, you've never done a 3 point turn where someone is bearing down on you at a rate of knots, so you're a little more anxious and hurried than normal?

Or does that still fall under "you aren't controlling the brake pedal properly"?

Sounds a bit like Apple's "you aren't holding it right" line

PS have you been drinking as you sound like you might be ever so slightly abusive

 

[S32B]

My start up routine... Belt on, start ignition, turn off Start/Stop....

Same as me, but I forgot to turn it off today! When I went to collect my wife from work I reversed into a space, put the HB and took my foot off the clutch, the engine cut out. So I was sitting there looking down at my phone reading emails and listening to the radio. Whilst doing this there was a sudden noise and the car shuddered! Instantly my heart went into my throat and I got that horrible feeling in my chest thinking someone had reversed into me They hadn't, it was the engine kicking back in as I had been stopped for so long lol

 

[monopole]

What, you've never done a 3 point turn where someone is bearing down on you at a rate of knots, so you're a little more anxious and hurried than normal?

Or does that still fall under "you aren't controlling the brake pedal properly"?

Sounds a bit like Apple's "you aren't holding it right" line

PS have you been drinking as you sound like you might be ever so slightly abusive

wow, stooping a little deep there resulting in a personal dig at me and once again providing nothing constructive, How pathetic can you actually get. I await your response....... point to note, as I have absolutely no further interest in your trash talk and I don't care if you do own an Audi, your almost racist opinion of the brand puts you on my ignore list. So get that fking Golf R you so rave about and **** off to another forum.

 

[veeeight]

Wow.

 

[Sandra]

Enough of the personal abuse here. There is no need for it whatsoever. It will not be tolerated. Audi-sport.net is a forum for anyone to use, but we do have site rules about behaviour and language use so please refrain from posting something that could be read as abusive to others.

 

[WetFishDB]

Mine is always off through VCDS

 

[bluemoona3246]

a couple of things,
1, having a manual car means I can control it with the clutch pedal, perfect
2, since I have been on this website, I feel I'm in the minority when I say I have a manual car, whereas the general consensus I have seen on this site is that most users either have an S3 with DSG or just a normal A3 with DSG, which may split opinion on S/S being used or not.

 

[h5djr]

Agreed. It works OK on my wife's A1 which is manual but is a real nuisance on my s-tronic which is why I have used VCDS to switch it permanently off. I now don't have to worry about remembering to switch it off when I get in the car. I have been in a couple of situation where the Start/Stop cut my engine at just the wrong moment and I never want that to happen again. If you're happy with it then leave it switched on, but if not, switch it off. It is all very well to say you can control it using the pressure on the rake pedal, but in an "emergency" situation the natural reaction is to press hard on the brake pedal which will cause the engine to cut-out.

 

[driver_tim]

Mine is generally on, although I tend to turn it off for the last couple of sets of lights before home. Perhaps unnecessary, but I figure the car doesn't know I'll shortly be stopping driving, potentially for several days at a time.

 

[driver_tim]

2, since I have been on this website, I feel I'm in the minority when I say I have a manual car, whereas the general consensus I have seen on this site is that most users either have an S3 with DSG or just a normal A3 with DSG, which may split opinion on S/S being used or not.

I have a manual car!

 

[Bristle Hound]

http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/stop-start-do-you-use-it.240990/page-2#post-2443482

 

[Flibble]

On all the time for me (s-tronic). Tend to modulate the brake pedal at junctions to avoid it when I don't want it to cut in. You can also restart the engine if you do accidentally engage it without moving if you have HA (or with the handbrake on) by tapping the accelerator. I use that a lot when lights are about to change to restart the engine before pulling away.

I don't really understand all the hate; mine does exactly what I expect it to do all the time, so it's easy to make it do what I want.

 

[steeve]

I used it all the time on my A3, we leave it working on my wife's Mini but I always turn it off on the S3.

 

[JohnboyC]

Well I have had stop start in a 2007 BMW 118, and also in my 2010 2.0 TDi Quattro Audi Avant 6 speed manual.
Feels strange it's not in my 2011 Audi A5 3.0 TDi Sline Quattro S-Tronic - do I miss it --- err no !

 

[S-3]

Use it all the time... It annoys me watching my mpg average slipping away sitting at lights otherwise.

 

[A4B9]

Use it all the time on my manual A5. It'll be interesting to see how it works on my new automatic A4

 

[gtiller]

I voted "No, I turn it off as soon as I start the car"

...actually I disabled it in VCDS. I find it a poor match with DSG and hill hold assist - and actually pretty dangerous.
I have seen two cars totalled because they have gone for gaps on roundabouts, but hadn't factored in having to wait for the engine to start.

 

[Simon L]

I voted "No, I turn it off as soon as I start the car"

...actually I disabled it in VCDS. I find it a poor match with DSG and hill hold assist - and actually pretty dangerous.
I have seen two cars totalled because they have gone for gaps on roundabouts, but hadn't factored in having to wait for the engine to start.

Totally respect anyone who prefers to disable it but anyone 'totalling' their car as a result of it shouldn't be on the road!! Switch the bleedin thing off if your in that much of a hurry......

 

[DickiePhitt]

I never bother going to the effort of turning it off. Mainly because it hardly ever kicks in. Could be a problem with it I suspect, maybe linked to the AC setting (I say this because the other day I noticed the AC was on Eco and when I switched it back the Stop/Start kicked in. Somewhat counter-intuitive, given its an eco feature.

 

[traindweller]

I have a manual box and stop /start is on all the time for me. Must admit I am not into the racing starts so it cuts in, in plenty of time for me to get away.

 

[Grover]

Use it all the time - manual S3 sedan. Sydney traffic can be horrific at the best of times. As I live practically in the CBD, it usually kicks in frequently at traffic lights trying to get to the outter suburbs. I tend to disengage the S/S until the oil is up to temp (>75C)...

 

[deangelj]

I use it pretty much all the time. The only time I turn it off is when I park into my garage - my driveway is on an up-hill slope and the S/S always turns off when I stop in front of the garage door waiting for the door to open. BUT it then says S/S deactivated - please restart the car!! So I need to put it into Park then restart with the key... frustrating... so now I just disable the S/S as I approach the garage.

If I need a quick getaway I just start the engine by lightly lifting off the break pedal.

 

[Beery]

I leave it on all the time but i'll only use it if i can clearly see i won't be moving for more than about 30 seconds...

 

[OliS3]

if only it worked in manual mode on an s-tronic

 

[stephen20vt]

I notice some people say they can "control" the start/stop by careful fettling of the brake pedal, but my 3 month old 184 TDI quattro actually stops the engine while the car is still moving. I'm carefully feathering the brake pedal coming up to a junction or traffic lights, still moving forward slowly, and it engages start/stop - drives me mad. My wife's BMW has start/stop and I can "control" it fine. Only when the car has come to a complete stop AND my foot has significant pressure on the pedal will her car engage start/stop.

Has anyone else experienced the start/stop engaging when their car is still creeping forward? Should I pay a visit to my dealer to get it looked at? Right now I'm disabling start/stop when I get in to the car. I don't even think about it in the BMW, however, it's the first thing I think about getting into my car.

 

[OliS3]

I notice some people say they can "control" the start/stop by careful fettling of the brake pedal, but my 3 month old 184 TDI quattro actually stops the engine while the car is still moving. I'm carefully feathering the brake pedal coming up to a junction or traffic lights, still moving forward slowly, and it engages start/stop - drives me mad. My wife's BMW has start/stop and I can "control" it fine. Only when the car has come to a complete stop AND my foot has significant pressure on the pedal will her car engage start/stop.

Has anyone else experienced the start/stop engaging when their car is still creeping forward? Should I pay a visit to my dealer to get it looked at? Right now I'm disabling start/stop when I get in to the car. I don't even think about it in the BMW, however, it's the first thing I think about getting into my car.

I can control it 90% of the time but I do have the same issue as you, if I'm braking to a stop then it cuts the engine just before I stop. I only tend to use auto mode for 2 reasons though. 1 is for launch control (quicker gear changes) 2 is for start stop. I'm sure anyone who drives in auto all the time would get annoyed quickly but it though

 

[cemerson]

I thought I was going to hate it, but it actually works pretty well.

I'll just turn it off when I'm going for a long journey, I don't like the idea of the engine shutting straight off after its been on boost without a chance to cool down.

Do you not think the Audi engineers would have thought about this?

The coolant pump is electric and continues to operate with the engine switched off during stop/start.

 

[cemerson]

I can't say I ever had a problem with it when I've had S-Tronics on loan. If you see a gap coming up, a quick tap of the accelerator will start the engine ready to pull out. I mastered it after 1 short journey, it's not rocket science!

 

[OliS3]

I can't say I ever had a problem with it when I've had S-Tronics on loan. If you see a gap coming up, a quick tap of the accelerator will start the engine ready to pull out. I mastered it after 1 short journey, it's not rocket science!

the engine on s-tronic starts as you lift off the brake pedal, well at least on the S3

 

[Beluga S line]

I never turn it off...but I never use*!?

I tend to keep the clutch depressed so it never kicks in unless I know the lights* will take a while to change!

 

[MikeParkin]

I just turn mine off as soon as I get in the car. If I want to use it I'll turn it back on but that's not often. Not a fan of start stop if there was an option to not have it I would of ticked the box.

 

[FirstAudiSteve]

I never turn it off...but I never use*!?

I tend to keep the clutch depressed so it never kicks in unless I know the lights* will take a while to change!

Same here. Then it often fails to kick in presumably for one of the listed reasons...

 

[CHEZ]

Increased engine wear at start up....
Over and over again.
Not good
Stop using stop start and start to stop using it!
Your car will thank you in the long term.

 

[cemerson]

Increased engine wear at start up....
Over and over again.
Not good
Stop using stop start and start to stop using it!
Your car will thank you in the long term.

Again... the components used are rated for the extra use. The engineers do actually know what they are doing.

 

[shady-ninja]

I think its a rubbish feature uses more fuel.
its very annoying when the car thinks you are going to stop and suddenly cuts out .
plus you will need to MAN UP your wallet for a starter motor at some time.

 

[veeeight]

Again... the components used are rated for the extra use. The engineers do actually know what they are doing.

Usually I would agree - however the greed of marketing a car with lower CO2 emissions sometimes takes priority over a properly engineered solution .........


Has been known to happen

 

[traindweller]

I think its a rubbish feature uses more fuel.
its very annoying when the car thinks you are going to stop and suddenly cuts out .
plus you will need to MAN UP your wallet for a starter motor at some time.

Sounds like yours is not working properly, surely it only works when you brake to a stop, select neutral and clutch released? What you describe sounds more like stalling the car.

Regarding the extra mechanical wear we are not really going to know for some time but this is not new technology is it, so I would have thought it would have shown up by now if it was a problem. I have to say that it was quite attractive to me fuel wise on purchase but I do wonder why it can't be default turn off in the MMI if not wanted. I do know that I can turn it off with VCDS if I choose.

 

[shady-ninja]

Sounds like yours is not working properly, surely it only works when you brake to a stop, select neutral and clutch released? What you describe sounds more like stalling the car.

Regarding the extra mechanical wear we are not really going to know for some time but this is not new technology is it, so I would have thought it would have shown up by now if it was a problem. I have to say that it was quite attractive to me fuel wise on purchase but I do wonder why it can't be default turn off in the MMI if not wanted. I do know that I can turn it off with VCDS if I choose.

this was on a brand new mk7 golf tdi bluemotion.
the second car was a fiat 500. (brand new of course).
finally, stop start uses more fuel to start the car.

 

[traindweller]

this was on a brand new mk7 golf tdi bluemotion.
the second car was a fiat 500. (brand new of course).
finally, stop start uses more fuel to start the car.

OK so perhaps different from an Audi then.

I agree it will use fuel to start the car each time but you do not know how much it might save by not running. I have to admit I don't know either, but I bet somebody on here will be able to tell us the average figure's that Audi use.

 

[veeeight]

I have posted some Audi comparison figures in another post somewhere, I'll have a look for them.

And the NEDC figures for start/stop fuel savings.

Edit: See post #82