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hi all ! well i have the a4 170 tdi and ive been troubled with the dreaded dpf error on my dash on and off for over a year now but the other day the engine warning light came on and went into limp mode so i plugged in my cheap obd reader that showed up a egr fault ! Once i refrained from swearing i took it to the garage to have it checked out and the computer says the egr is ok (which around 6 months ago i took out and cleaned) but the dpf was blocked :( the mechanic then showed me there was basically hardly any pressure from the tail pipes.
So it booked in to have the dpf internals removed and remaped to eliminate any further problems with that again hoorahh lol , so what im asking is what to expect from the removal of the dpf as in any gains in bhp or noise difference which in my case would be a bonus :) also thinking about blanking the egr as thats a pain in the **** too but ill have to await emission results first
 
you should see an increase in power of around 30-45bhp and car will accelerate a lot better.
You will possible get the "turbo howling" noise too.
Only downside is that the clutch cant seem to hold the power, it seems to slip (when giving it some whack anyway)
 
you should see an increase in power of around 30-45bhp and car will accelerate a lot better.
You will possible get the "turbo howling" noise too.
Only downside is that the clutch cant seem to hold the power, it seems to slip (when giving it some whack anyway)


Ah thanks for the information and I didn't think I would gain that much bhp so that's a good bonus lol will be interesting to have the turbo woosh too :)
 
Should get better fuel economy as the car won't be regenerating, the clutch is always an issue when cars are remapped especially if it's done over 100K . Should be a much better, quicker drive with over 200 bhp.
 
ive seen 215BHP from a good remap with DPF out. better fuel driving sensible too. if its blocked i would sort it asap as it will only damage the sensors and even cause the turbo to damage due to carbon build up
 
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Cheers for the replies! Don't know what you mean regarding blockage? The egr was cleaned and checked to be working but the dpf was completely blocked hence getting rid, had a new turbo fitted around 1000 miles ago too after a oil balance shaft failure :( but fingers crossed I'll get a much responsive car car the weekend
 
Place that did mine removed the DPF and refitted once welded back up. They mapped the egr closed and they also did a performance map.
defo worth doing.
 
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Yes mate nice! Also having the same done tomorrow apart from the egr valve, how ya manage with a mot with emissions?
 
That will do me lol, you hear so many different stories on the Internet regarding diesels and emissions sayings the law has changed etc but cheers for clearing that up for me.
 
Not to say it won't happen in the future , 5 years + hopefully.
 
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but are you having the car remapped or just the DPF mapped out ?
 
It's being remapped as well mate along with the internals of the dpf removed and re welded back together
 
I was thinking about DPF removal and map on my 3.0TDI. Does anyone know what sort of torque and hp figures I'd be looking at?
 
I was told on my car (2.0 tdi 170) expect 35 to 45 extra but I can't say about the 3.0
 
JMGR33N had my 3.0tdi egr deleted, gutted dpf and map around 35bhp and manifold flap delete,smoother and quicker and so nice.
 
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I was thinking about DPF removal and map on my 3.0TDI. Does anyone know what sort of torque and hp figures I'd be looking at?
Depends what you are starting off with and who you take it too. My 240bhp 3.0 TDI with a DPF removal remap and a different intercooler is running over 312bhp and 720Nm. Thats over 70bhp more and 170Nm of torque.
 
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Ok cool. I think mine is the 204bhp version. It's a 2005 model.

It looks like there are good gains to be had!

Crikey, you could jumpstart a planet with 720Nm of torque! ;-)
 
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Yes mate nice! Also having the same done tomorrow apart from the egr valve, how ya manage with a mot with emissions?
Depends on what you mean by emissions, emmisions test for deisels are not the same as petrol but it appears there is a emmisions test of some sort on diesels

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_740.htm

I've just been discussing this on a different thread after a mot garage told me to be careful of removing DPF due to another recent change in mot regs apparently there are new parameters for specific cars. Though like I say in my other thread not sure if this is true or bull s**t. I will say I was due to gut mine and I now have a seed of doubt in my mind.
 
As far as I know the last major change in MOT's as regards DPF's and testing was in February last year. You are required to have a DPF if the vechicle originally had one but it's a purely visual check, even if it's obvious that the DPF has been gutted because there is a weld line on it that's not grounds to fail the car.
As long as it passes the smoke test then it's good.
The DVLA did release another notice in October 2014 regarding the fact that some garages doing MOT's were also doing DPF deletes and remaps for diesel cars. So a mechanic could be working on a car Monday removing the DPF and then passing for an MOT on Wednesday knowing it had no DPF.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa..._data/file/366187/mot-special-notice-7-14.pdf

It is possible that the MOT test will be tightened up but at the moment it's not an issue.
It passed the last MOT easily with no DPF, the smoke test result was lower than the wifes 1.4D yaris .
My car is actually registered just before 1st July 2008, (30th June 2008) which seems to be a watershed date on the current test so hopefully any further changes will affect cars after that date.

http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4s07000402.htm

Karl.
 
DPF delete = complete different car ! Do it no tommorow - NOW ! you will see power and good run :) i done it before having troubles and i'm very satysfied from the result - 2.0 170 quattro - 204 bhp ;) :kissmyrings:
and forgot to mantion - i delete the DPF in July but week ago pass MOT streight away with NO MOT advisors or any problems !!! I can scan you MOT test to see that i'm far away from troubles with smoke .... 1.50 max - i did 0.34 - my car is just done 140k miles !!!
 
DPF delete = complete different car ! Do it no tommorow - NOW ! you will see power and good run :) i done it before having troubles and i'm very satysfied from the result - 2.0 170 quattro - 204 bhp ;) :kissmyrings:
and forgot to mantion - i delete the DPF in July but week ago pass MOT streight away with NO MOT advisors or any problems !!! I can scan you MOT test to see that i'm far away from troubles with smoke .... 1.50 max - i did 0.34 - my car is just done 140k miles !!!
Good to know, your figures give a good perspective thanks
 
Not a problem that why we are in these forums - to help each other !
I pass MOT with no problem - DPF DELETE and Retrofit Bi-xenon with OEM headlights but - 4 brand new tires , 4 brand new discs and pads, new wiper with all bulbs and lamp working. No advisors was the result !
 
Sorry to nose in on this topic:
I've been putting off buying a 3.0 tdi for over a year now due to dpf worries but deletion sounds awesome.
How much are you guys paying for the delete/remap?
 
For full rolling road custom remap and dpf delete £500
 
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I paid £450 for dpf gut, egr and manifold flap delete and map. No smoke, seamless gear changes and pulls like a train, I never get bored with how well it goes.
 
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Manifold flap delete, how does the engine breath?
 
The flaps operate to give a bit more torque at low speeds as far as I know but with a map you would not know the difference, my 3.0tdi a6 was mapped but not as smooth as my a4 trust me.
 
I read this article, granted it's not the most recent but it's got me concerned again haha- so is it goin to be introduced to not or not?

New legislation will make removing you car's diesel particulate filter a bigger mistake than ever
Removing your car's diesel particulate filter (DPF) might be tempting, because the damage caused by a clogged DPF can result in four-figure repair bills. An internet search reveals numerous companies advertising DPF removal services, but as well as being bad for the environment this is also illegal, and the Government has moved to tighten up the regulations concerning such practices.

In October 2013 Robert Goodwill, roads minister, announced that garages and testing stations will be required check for a DPF as part of the MoT test from February 2014. The vehicle will automatically fail test if the filter had been fitted as standard but is no longer present.

Located within the exhaust system, a DPF captures small soot particles, preventing them from being expelled into the atmosphere. As with any filter it needs emptying periodically and this is done automatically, by burning up the particulates in a process called regeneration.


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To meet or exceed European-dictated emissions standards, DPFs have been fitted to most diesel cars for almost a decade and, because they need high temperatures to regenerate, low mileage stop-start motoring can cause them to block. Should a fascia warning lamp be ignored, expensive engine damage can occur.

For them to work efficiently, the car needs to be driven at a constant speed, for at least fifteen minutes, to allow the DPF to heat up enough to regenerate. Certain motorists, such as urban commuters, might find this impossible.

The latest diesel engines are less prone to problems, because they are more efficient and burn off soot faster. Even in normal use, however, DPFs tend to need replacement after a certain mileage has elapsed, the rate of which varies between 80,000 and 150,000 miles, dependent on the car make and model, the type of use and whether or not the engine has had regular oil changes with a lubricant that does not contain additives that block the filter.

Instead of having a new DPF fitted, it is possible to have it cleaned. A handful of companies offer a mail-order chemical cleaning service, which means your car will off the road for at least 48 hours, but which could potentially save you hundreds of pounds.

Another alternative is to buy a new aftermarket DPF, which could save you up to 65% compared with the main dealership price. While carmakers might argue that the alternative part is inferior, all DPFs for cars made from 2009 and many prior to that date, are subject to independent Type Approval tests for performance and longevity.

The Government’s decision to actively enforce the regulations regarding DPF removal are welcome, since they remove any possible doubt concerning the issue and mean that a device designed to reduce pollution functions as it should.

Motorists may rue the financial implications of a clogged DPF, but technical advances are likely to continue to improve their efficiency and reliability.

If nothing else, the change in policy is likely to draw more attention to the issue and perhaps make buyers think carefully about their requirements when buying a new car. If your driving habits are not suited to keeping a DPF running smoothly, you should consider buying a petrol model instead.
 
Nothing new in that it as as you say an older post and looks to be an advertisement .
 
I was talking to AMD and they mentioned that some of the earlier B7's may not have DPF's. I didn't know that.
 
Yea apparently they've now checked with Audi and due to how early my B7 is, it doesn't have a DPF.

Might have lucked out!
 
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Mine is a 56 plate, some have some have not got a dpf, it was an extra that could be ordered on certain years, but if dpf is gutted it is still in place and visual for mot although my year is just a smoke test. Laws will get stricter on newer cars. We have a fleet of 166k lorries, Mercs with 8k dpf filters fitted, they are dustcarts, everyone of them will not re-gen. They creep along all day and you cannot get the speed or distance to clear them and the heat given out will melt tarmac and set alight paper if left on in the tip. progress! I think not.
 
The flaps operate to give a bit more torque at low speeds as far as I know but with a map you would not know the difference, my 3.0tdi a6 was mapped but not as smooth as my a4 trust me.

I'm running an A4 3.0tdi auto B7 with a Blue Fin remap, the car runs fine with loads of grunt throughout the rev range.
I have a dilemma though, got a swirl flap issue, vcds scan shows 'lower limit not being reached on bank 2', the engine management light comes on intermittently.
Looked at changing out both inlet manifolds for some upgraded ones of ebay, price works out at around £300 plus fitting, so the total is going to exceed at least £500 (that's cheap compared with what the stealers have quoted me)
Or should I spend my hard earn't on getting the swirl flaps mapped out, ditching the dpf and egr? Would I then have to get it re-mapped again to these changes? And who in the Cheshire area could carry out this work for me?
 

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