Buy your new car before 2022
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Further details taken from another forum;
I’ve read lots of posts here and seen various scare stories in the press about “speed limiters” being mandatory after 2022. As this is the area I work in I thought it needed some clarification.
Background: I’m sure everyone is familiar with the Euro NCAP crash safety ratings which award up to 5 stars dependent on how a vehicle behaves in various crash scenarios. Car structural design supplemented with advanced restraint systems had got to the point where practically ever European designed car got 5 stars for crashworthiness and occupant safety, which means it became difficult to differentiate based on the number of stars a car received – and people were still killing themselves in avoidable accidents.
This caused NCAP to start looking beyond occupant safety to encompass two more areas … vulnerable road users and safety assist.
The speed limiters come under safety assist, which consists of electronic stability control, seatbelt reminders, lane support, autonomous emergency braking which either warns or intervenes to prevent rear-end shunts and speed assistance, which is where the speed limiters live.
As the Euro NCAP stars system now includes more and more electronic systems that aid passive safety, this is "encouraging" auto manufacturers to fit these systems as standard to improve their NCAP ratings.
Is EuroNCAP part of the EU ... not exactly ...
The European New Car Assessment Programme (Euro NCAP) is a European car safety performance assessment programme (i.e. a New Car Assessment Program) based in Brussels (Belgium) and founded in 1997 by the Transport Research Laboratory for the UK Department for Transport and backed by several European governments, as well as by the European Union.[1] Their slogan is "For Safer Cars".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_NCAP
So why have the tabloids been up in arms about the EU forcing speed limiters on drivers in 2022? …. Either deliberate deceit or a lack of understanding of what intelligent speed assistance actually is. I’ll be charitable go with lack of understanding.
Intelligent speed assistance is already fitted in vast numbers of cars, it is part of modern automated cruise control systems which use maps and cameras to determine the speed limit for the cars location. The speed limit is then displayed to the driver and in higher end systems, the driver can set the cruise control to the current speed limit with a button press as confirmation.
On low end cars it is a LIM button on the steering wheel which sets the current speed as a limit in the car. The car will then resist exceeding this limit (dead accelerator travel) but it can be easily overridden by pressing the accelerator pedal further or switching the system off.
This is what is coming in 2022.
I use these systems all the time travelling backwards and forwards to my boat and they have saved me no end of money in avoided speeding fines. I can also still travel on unrestricted autobahns at 255 km/h when I want to, and I could do 255 km/h through the centre of town if I decided to be a complete psychopathic knob.
I hope this goes some way towards clearing up this storm in a teacup. It may be that in another 10 years governments decide to put hard speed limiters in private cars, but there would undoubtedly be a public outcry.
Here are all the references for anyone who wants to fact check or learn any more about vehicle safety technology, NCAP ratings etc.
Actual statement from the EU as to what is proposed for 2022:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-19-1793_en.htm
What goes on before these things actualy get proposed:
https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/...tive/safety_en
A summary of what systems exist:
https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/34588
Details on Intelligent speed adaption:
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_...ptation_isa_en
Q&A on myths surrounding ISA
http://archive.etsc.eu/documents/ISA Myths.pdf
Euro NCAPdata can be found here ….
https://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-...safety-assist/
Read more at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...ry-speed-limiters-in-2022#4YRoWHXJHZJZTqSX.99
I’ve read lots of posts here and seen various scare stories in the press about “speed limiters” being mandatory after 2022. As this is the area I work in I thought it needed some clarification.
Background: I’m sure everyone is familiar with the Euro NCAP crash safety ratings which award up to 5 stars dependent on how a vehicle behaves in various crash scenarios. Car structural design supplemented with advanced restraint systems had got to the point where practically ever European designed car got 5 stars for crashworthiness and occupant safety, which means it became difficult to differentiate based on the number of stars a car received – and people were still killing themselves in avoidable accidents.
This caused NCAP to start looking beyond occupant safety to encompass two more areas … vulnerable road users and safety assist.
The speed limiters come under safety assist, which consists of electronic stability control, seatbelt reminders, lane support, autonomous emergency braking which either warns or intervenes to prevent rear-end shunts and speed assistance, which is where the speed limiters live.
As the Euro NCAP stars system now includes more and more electronic systems that aid passive safety, this is "encouraging" auto manufacturers to fit these systems as standard to improve their NCAP ratings.
Is EuroNCAP part of the EU ... not exactly ...
The European New Car Assessment Programme (Euro NCAP) is a European car safety performance assessment programme (i.e. a New Car Assessment Program) based in Brussels (Belgium) and founded in 1997 by the Transport Research Laboratory for the UK Department for Transport and backed by several European governments, as well as by the European Union.[1] Their slogan is "For Safer Cars".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_NCAP
So why have the tabloids been up in arms about the EU forcing speed limiters on drivers in 2022? …. Either deliberate deceit or a lack of understanding of what intelligent speed assistance actually is. I’ll be charitable go with lack of understanding.
Intelligent speed assistance is already fitted in vast numbers of cars, it is part of modern automated cruise control systems which use maps and cameras to determine the speed limit for the cars location. The speed limit is then displayed to the driver and in higher end systems, the driver can set the cruise control to the current speed limit with a button press as confirmation.
On low end cars it is a LIM button on the steering wheel which sets the current speed as a limit in the car. The car will then resist exceeding this limit (dead accelerator travel) but it can be easily overridden by pressing the accelerator pedal further or switching the system off.
This is what is coming in 2022.
I use these systems all the time travelling backwards and forwards to my boat and they have saved me no end of money in avoided speeding fines. I can also still travel on unrestricted autobahns at 255 km/h when I want to, and I could do 255 km/h through the centre of town if I decided to be a complete psychopathic knob.
I hope this goes some way towards clearing up this storm in a teacup. It may be that in another 10 years governments decide to put hard speed limiters in private cars, but there would undoubtedly be a public outcry.
Here are all the references for anyone who wants to fact check or learn any more about vehicle safety technology, NCAP ratings etc.
Actual statement from the EU as to what is proposed for 2022:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-19-1793_en.htm
What goes on before these things actualy get proposed:
https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/...tive/safety_en
A summary of what systems exist:
https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/34588
Details on Intelligent speed adaption:
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_...ptation_isa_en
Q&A on myths surrounding ISA
http://archive.etsc.eu/documents/ISA Myths.pdf
Euro NCAPdata can be found here ….
https://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-...safety-assist/
Read more at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...ry-speed-limiters-in-2022#4YRoWHXJHZJZTqSX.99
and the requirement for a mandatory black box in cars - do you even come close to understanding what the significance of this when it comes to enforcement of speed limits, do you honestly think that governments and insurance companies won't be accessing this .
and if people complain, just like here they will say well if you don't speed you have nothing to worry about.
the majority won't complain
Did "Remain" voters know this when they voted?
They don't seam to be bothered that Germany will be in charge of a European Army, so this will not matter much to them either.
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Folk who have dash cams already have a black box for their cars.
It can be used both by yourself in the event of an accident and police can use it against you if they catch you doing something stupid and you have the video evidence to back it up
There’s a few insurance companies that offer discounts if you have a black box type device as well so it’s a matter of time before it all becomes mandatory.
UK has one of the highest, if not the highest, cctv/camera per population in the world so big brother is watching all the time anyway. There’s no escape. None of this has anything to do with being in Europe either. Might be time to get a Kia/Hyundai with their 7 or 10 year warranty as it’s not gonna be much point buying a fast car so might as well buy one that’s warranted for ages.
being in Europe as in the EU introduced/approved it.... as for the rest lets just throw our hands up now and surrender
Surely it just takes all the world car producers to say `No`.
What will the EU do? Fine them? Doubt it.
Stop them selling cars? Highly unlikely, as the entire EU state would instantly go into a recession. Governments who rely on new car sales would quickly fine out they are Billions down. What then? Push up income TAX to compensate? Then people can't afford to live, pay mortgages etc.
If only they would say `No`. Unfortunately, there'll be as mad rush by the Automotive industry to get these things into cars, as they've been told recent surveys tell them people want these systems. Only all these surveys were carried out by `Brake` and they only asked their own members.
What will the EU do? Fine them? Doubt it.
Stop them selling cars? Highly unlikely, as the entire EU state would instantly go into a recession. Governments who rely on new car sales would quickly fine out they are Billions down. What then? Push up income TAX to compensate? Then people can't afford to live, pay mortgages etc.
If only they would say `No`. Unfortunately, there'll be as mad rush by the Automotive industry to get these things into cars, as they've been told recent surveys tell them people want these systems. Only all these surveys were carried out by `Brake` and they only asked their own members.
Only have to see on Top Gear's final episode the tech in the VW arteon for automatic stopping didn't work, self-driving/automated cars won't reduce crashes, as plenty on here have said it is down to selfish drivers that cause many accidents, lane hogging etc, list goes on.
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Yh probably pensioners who never exceed more than 20 Mphin their surveys .
@Chris S 1245 A lot of us 'pensioners' might agree with the point you are trying to make so why alienate us?
My mate can't wait to overtake a 2022 Lambo in his Morris Minor ( It CAN over 70MPH )If I keep my old diesel long enough it could become one of the fastest cars on the roads
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Everyone seems to have missed the point that this technology wont be able to stop you getting to the speed limit quicker in the first place which is more than half the fun on most A & B roads compared to finding a stretch of motorway where you can actually do more than 70mph
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