Coronavirus!!

AlS3BE · Mar 22, 2020

Bryant1998 said:
I’d like to hear the science behind having “life long respiratory issues”

This is a new strain of virus so I’m unsure how anyone can do anything but speculate the long term effects?
Maybe you are right and you’re an experienced coronavirus research scientist, but if you’re not, I’d suggest not adding to the hysteria and panic by spreading unconfirmed information...

It’s not hysteria at all. In the worse cases it attacks the lungs and then the immune response goes overdrive and causes more problems. Once damaged the lungs need to recover and not all can recover fully especially the old and people with underlying issues. It’s like that with any issues with the body. It’s never gonna be 100% after an injury or illness like breaking a bone to cancer. Might be 99.99% or less than 50% and that’s the risk.
Do you think the whole world is on lockdown for the common cold?
I’m not telling you how to live your life but just be a bit careful for your own sake and others you have contact with.

voorhees · Mar 22, 2020

@Bryant1998 "adding to the hysteria" could it really get any worse than oxygen thieves stockpiling bog roll and then when the pubs shutting stockpiling beer but avoiding corona beer !?
The lockdown is definitely coming as these oxygen thieves think its clever to flaunt the guidelines so then they'll become law and good luck against a squaddie with a 7.62.

Bryant1998 · Mar 22, 2020

AlS3BE said:
It’s not hysteria at all. In the worse cases it attacks the lungs and then the immune response goes overdrive and causes more problems. Once damaged the lungs need to recover and not all can recover fully especially the old and people with underlying issues. It’s like that with any issues with the body. It’s never gonna be 100% after an injury or illness like breaking a bone to cancer. Might be 99.99% or less than 50% and that’s the risk.
Do you think the whole world is on lockdown for the common cold?
I’m not telling you how to live your life but just be a bit careful for your own sake and others you have contact with.

That’s the thing tho mate, it’s a small minority of the population who will have those symptoms, the same people who are also high risk for the flu, the cold, all sorts...
Think you’d be surprised how efficient the body is at recovering from trauma or stress, honestly I can see how bad this can get, but on the same level I think it’s more likely we’re being quarantined to minimise spread because of the nature of the virus and fact we don’t have a cure yet, once the cure is confirmed quarantine will be lifted and the world will keep turning

Bryant1998 · Mar 22, 2020

voorhees said:
@Bryant1998 "adding to the hysteria" could it really get any worse than oxygen thieves stockpiling bog roll and then when the pubs shutting stockpiling beer but avoiding corona beer !?
The lockdown is definitely coming as these oxygen thieves think its clever to flaunt the guidelines so then they'll become law and good luck against a squaddie with a 7.62.

Lol my local shops haven’t got corona left, or bog roll either, it’ll all work itself out. Not like we’re running out of bog roll just can’t get it moved to the shops fast enough...

Lockdown will be enforced by fines, not by squaddies with GPMG’s, imagine the riots lol

MikeParkin · Mar 22, 2020

I’m going to throw something in here.

I’m not obsessed with conspiracy theory’s etc but just seems weird that we have had a boat load of viruses over the years and we have bounced back.

The world is massively over populated and the world in general is in s**t state. Now that people are out the way things are starting to clear up.

Don’t jump down on me straight away, it’s just my opinion but I honestly think it’s been carried out on purpose.

Charlie Farley · Mar 22, 2020

I agree chap.
With an increasing elderly population and all that entails, I would not discount anything to be possible.
What more effective way of dealing with an ever increasing population than by reducing the elderly and sick, not nice but its allways possible.
It's probably not , but I allways keep an open mind about most things.

Bryant1998 · Mar 22, 2020

Seems you two have stocked up on tinfoil hats lol

AlS3BE · Mar 22, 2020

MikeParkin said:
I’m going to throw something in here.

I’m not obsessed with conspiracy theory’s etc but just seems weird that we have had a boat load of viruses over the years and we have bounced back.

The world is massively over populated and the world in general is in s**t state. Now that people are out the way things are starting to clear up.

Don’t jump down on me straight away, it’s just my opinion but I honestly think it’s been carried out on purpose.

I agree. Mother Nature is thinning the herd but luckily we are at point in evolution that we can fight back :wink:

On a plus note the carbon reduction due to this virus has been phenomenal. Folk I know in Beijing says they have never felt fresh air like this for decades.

Charlie Farley · Mar 22, 2020

Some carful lab test on animals here , a few test there , infect some species with a virus and then let humans become the target.

voorhees · Mar 22, 2020

The other ones were too harsh because you were dead before you could spread them, its a Logans Run conspiracy then ?
I'm not convinced it is, the overriding factor in all of this is not to put too much demand on the health service no matter what country you are in.

I noticed my car was extra zippy....is that because of less pollutants ?!

AlS3BE · Mar 22, 2020

Bryant1998 said:
That’s the thing tho mate, it’s a small minority of the population who will have those symptoms, the same people who are also high risk for the flu, the cold, all sorts...
Think you’d be surprised how efficient the body is at recovering from trauma or stress, honestly I can see how bad this can get, but on the same level I think it’s more likely we’re being quarantined to minimise spread because of the nature of the virus and fact we don’t have a cure yet, once the cure is confirmed quarantine will be lifted and the world will keep turning

think the problem is we can’t tell who will get it easy who will get it bad. That’s why we all need to be careful. If it some hysteria needed to get people to think twice Then I have no problem with some bs floating about.
There’s been some full on BS about as well. Saying 5g mobile signals is causing it.

Charlie Farley · Mar 22, 2020

Bryant1998 said:
Seems you two have stocked up on tinfoil hats lol

One should never discount anything in this life chap , keep an open mind to things.
not all is as it may seem.
just my input and we're all allowed think .

Charlie Farley · Mar 22, 2020

Anyway, what will happen, will happen .
We can't control it and we don't have a cure for it , so many are just ignoring advise weather it's right or wrong.

What else can be done then, nothing , this will run it's course no matter what we say or do so i'll just take precautions to try and minimise my social interfacing with other humans , except the wife and woofers and go with the flow, whatelse can one do....Nothing.

Charlie Farley · Mar 22, 2020

And I wont be panic buying or stockpiling , nor will I be taking day trips to the country side/seaside.
I can live with some hardship and lack of social interfacing, probably better anyway .

Charlie Farley · Mar 22, 2020

Just back on the theme of "theories" .
If one looks back at recently released MOD info , Porton Down have been behind some nasty tuff over the years , ww1 and ww2 saw a lot of test etc with some seriously grim stuff, old news now maybe but all this biological testing development still goes on all around the world and with much worse .

Just thought I'd throw that into the mix.

Charlie Farley · Mar 22, 2020

What better way to destabilize the world , nobody is going to admit to being behind it but there would be very definite winners though .

you cant beat a good theory.

CHEZ · Mar 22, 2020

Cough .... Bill gates..... Cough

Charlie Farley · Mar 22, 2020

One word " Bees"

And if you don't understand , well think about it.

CHEZ · Mar 22, 2020

Just leave this here for all you conspiracy theorists to mull over...

Now that was made over 5 years ago...

Charlie Farley · Mar 22, 2020

We'll all have plenty of spare time coming very soon indeed, and then broadband will crash, mobile phones will crash.
maybe a good thing though.

Charlie Farley · Mar 22, 2020

I'm not old by any means, more middle aged at nearly 60 , but going without really is not that bigger issue for me, and I would expect a lot of others from 60 upwards will know all about these.
Growing up with bath times in an old tin bath, no central heating etc etc, power cuts 3 times a week and much more.
leaving home and ruffing it in an old mini van for weeks with a packet of garibaldi to share between two of use for days, try that .
The vast majority of younger people today really have it easy , they think its hard but the reality is far from that.
I've managed to catch up in life but i'm allway fully aware of the past.
think about it when your mobile doesn't work or you broadband crashes for 5 mins.

Terminator x · Mar 22, 2020

AlS3BE said:
It’s not hysteria at all. In the worse cases it attacks the lungs and then the immune response goes overdrive and causes more problems. Once damaged the lungs need to recover and not all can recover fully especially the old and people with underlying issues. It’s like that with any issues with the body. It’s never gonna be 100% after an injury or illness like breaking a bone to cancer. Might be 99.99% or less than 50% and that’s the risk.
Do you think the whole world is on lockdown for the common cold?
I’m not telling you how to live your life but just be a bit careful for your own sake and others you have contact with.

Most people won't get it, of those that do 85% have mild symptoms, of those left most get flu, a tiny amount get pneumonia and then of that tiny amount some end up in ICU as they already have compromised breathing etc. Perspective and facts needed not scaremongering.

TX.

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voorhees · Mar 22, 2020

terminator x said:
Most people won't get it, of those that do 85% have mild symptoms, of those left most get flu, a tiny amount get pneumonia and then of that tiny amount some end up in ICU as they already have compromised breathing etc. Perspective and facts needed not scaremongering.

TX.

So lets get this straight the whole world is over exaggerating ? The government has set up a fund where anyone who is off gets 80% of their wages to a limit and set aside 350 billion to do so and this is scaremongering has brought this about !!???

Are you for real ? Its probably people like you who are swanning around as if its f*** all, when does it need to be serious enough for fukwits to actually follow the guidelines.

V6_Man · Mar 22, 2020

voorhees said:
So lets get this straight the whole world is over exaggerating ? The government has set up a fund where anyone who is off gets 80% of their wages to a limit and set aside 350 billion to do so and this is scaremongering has brought this about !!???

Are you for real ? Its probably people like you who are swanning around as if its f*** all, when does it need to be serious enough for fukwits to actually follow the guidelines.

You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep!

I'd simply let our friend Tx live in a cloud cuckoo land!

AlS3BE · Mar 22, 2020

terminator x said:
Most people won't get it, of those that do 85% have mild symptoms, of those left most get flu, a tiny amount get pneumonia and then of that tiny amount some end up in ICU as they already have compromised breathing etc. Perspective and facts needed not scaremongering.

TX.

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I’m not saying the facts are wrong or the numbers are wrong. Based on numbers there’s almost not a need to make a fuss about it.
It’s more you won’t know or anyone will know if you fall in the 85% with mild symptoms or the 15% with more severe symptoms.
If transmission rate is 5% of total population, if we don’t do anything it will be higher, and 15% of those need medical care then that means we need roughly 500000 extra beds in our hospitals across the country and that’s on top of the normal demands on our nhs. If we curb it with all these measures and even more extreme measures we might get away with 1-2% transmission rate which will still strain the nhs but not as badly. Key is reduce the population transmission rate.

CHEZ · Mar 22, 2020

McDonald's have shut.
That's how bad it is.

It's a sad day

Alistair D · Mar 22, 2020

Ours are still open...........I'll send you some, no vehicles on the roads should be with you shortly :icon thumright:

Terminator x · Mar 22, 2020

AlS3BE said:
I’m not saying the facts are wrong or the numbers are wrong. Based on numbers there’s almost not a need to make a fuss about it.
It’s more you won’t know or anyone will know if you fall in the 85% with mild symptoms or the 15% with more severe symptoms.
If transmission rate is 5% of total population, if we don’t do anything it will be higher, and 15% of those need medical care then that means we need roughly 500000 extra beds in our hospitals across the country and that’s on top of the normal demands on our nhs. If we curb it with all these measures and even more extreme measures we might get away with 1-2% transmission rate which will still strain the nhs but not as badly. Key is reduce the population transmission rate.

Oh I agree, NHS almost at capacity anyway (always is + underfunded etc) so any extra due to Covid19 will mess them up badly; can certainly understand why they want to "flatten the curve". A lot of people are treating it like a death sentence though which it isn't.

TX.

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V6_Man · Mar 22, 2020

AlS3BE said:
I’m not saying the facts are wrong or the numbers are wrong. Based on numbers there’s almost not a need to make a fuss about it.
It’s more you won’t know or anyone will know if you fall in the 85% with mild symptoms or the 15% with more severe symptoms.
If transmission rate is 5% of total population, if we don’t do anything it will be higher, and 15% of those need medical care then that means we need roughly 500000 extra beds in our hospitals across the country and that’s on top of the normal demands on our nhs. If we curb it with all these measures and even more extreme measures we might get away with 1-2% transmission rate which will still strain the nhs but not as badly. Key is reduce the population transmission rate.

The infection rate for the rest of the world compared to Italy is mind boggling. Their recovery rate sits at a meager 56%, which is also not promising. Of the 12k cases with an outcome, the success vs failure rate is also 56% and 44% respectively - 44% is the death rate.

The reason for Italy doing so badly is because of exactly what you mentioned above - they didn't act when they were supposed and people didn't follow what they were told to.

UK's trajectory, as things stand, isn't looking promising. We are only 16 days behind Italy and 12 behind Germany. However, our mortality rate is higher than where Italy was at the same time!

Of the cases with an outcome in the UK, we have a recovery rate of 25% and mortality rate of 75%.

Terminator x · Mar 22, 2020

V6_Man said:
The infection rate for the rest of the world compared to Italy is mind boggling. Their recovery rate sits at a meager 56%, which is also not promising. Of the 12k cases with an outcome, the success vs failure rate is also 56% and 44% respectively - 44% is the death rate.

The reason for Italy doing so badly is because of exactly what you mentioned above - they didn't act when they were supposed and people didn't follow what they were told to.

UK's trajectory, as things stand, isn't looking promising. We are only 16 days behind Italy and 12 behind Germany. However, our mortality rate is higher than where Italy was at the same time!

The death rate is less than 1% you are ignoring all the people that have it and get better but never tested.

TX.

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V6_Man · Mar 22, 2020

terminator x said:
The death rate is less than 1% you are ignoring all the people that have it and get better but never tested.

TX.

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Refresh your page and read my post again.

AlS3BE · Mar 22, 2020

Chill out guys.
We all have some valid points and we all can talk crap at the same time. We all do it let’s not get nasty. With all this self isolation we are here for the long haul :wink:

DaveW · Mar 22, 2020

AlS3BE said:
Chill out guys.
We all have some valid points and we all can talk **** at the same time. We all do it let’s not get nasty. With all this self isolation we are here for the long haul

Agreed, life's too short.

A4B9 · Mar 23, 2020

DaveW said:
Agreed, life's too short.

Might be a lot shorter if you catch it and have a bad reaction to it because some idiots don’t take it seriously and help to spread the virus

SteveMcB · Mar 23, 2020

We've all got opinions but nobody actually knows for sure how this will pan out, bottom line is it is REAL and everybody needs to respect that - IMO

45bvtc · Mar 23, 2020

Expecting our letters tomorrow, two of the 1.5 million for sure.

Plus hospital today and rs3copilot is having her chemo-feeding PICC line removed, so that's good-bye chemotherapy for 12-weeks - one bright spot at least, but being attacked from inside and out ain't no fun... At least that will be 12-weeks free of them darn horrible and disabling chemo side effects.

Stay safe all...

V6_Man · Mar 23, 2020

45bvtc said:
Expecting our letters tomorrow, two of the 1.5 million for sure.

Plus hospital today and rs3copilot is having her chemo-feeding PICC line removed, so that's good-bye chemotherapy for 12-weeks - one bright spot at least, but being attacked from inside and out ain't no fun... At least that will be 12-weeks free of them darn horrible and disabling chemo side effects.

Stay safe all...

State safe John and look after Judith!

45bvtc · Mar 23, 2020

V6_Man said:
State safe John and look after Judith!

Thanks V6-Man and ALL, sure gonna try... :friends:

RS03??? · Mar 23, 2020

Being really selfish...

West-London Audi - closing the doors tonight at 7pm. No idea when it will reopen.
Paid Full for the car last week, waiting for prep to be done... dont know when .. so = No Car
Asked for Full refund, if no date is given on car handover.

Absolute mad situation we are all in....

voorhees · Mar 23, 2020

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/teenager-18-died-coventrys-university-17964139
Sad times in my city

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