AH Fab / Ebay / Forge S3/A3 FMIC installs (image heavy)

AdzA3AGU said:
The Cheaper AH Fabs intercooler was the V1 buddy the really expensive one is the V2. Im fairly sure the A3 only has one side mount intercooler but if the map pipe runs the same they yes they will fit fine.

If you choose the V2 your going to need 2 90' Degree Silicone bends with and internal diameter of 63mm and two 90' Degree Aloy pipes with an outer Diameter of 63MM a pack of 10 JCS Hi Grip Jubilee clamps 60- 80 mm all pipe work will fit fine however the alloy bend on passenger side will need trimming to fit the Map Pipe. and the crash bar will need cutting to accomadate the V2 (its massive)
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Thanks allot pal I really appreciate it. Would the version one be any good as it seems allot smaller if the inlets are smaller than the stock wouldn't I lose power due to not having it free flowing enough ? Sorry with all the questions just want to be absolutely sure as don't want to make anything worse lol
 
<tuffty/> said:
AH Fabs have it listed at 650 for some bizarre reason but if you call them you can 'discuss' the price... not sure what most people end up paying these days but I believe there is a decent discount to be had if you ask... don't bother with the V1

For the most part S3 FMIC's 'should' fit A3's... the bumper is different so some modification would most likely be required and not sure how much of it would stick out... pipework will of course need to be changed as the A3 is all down the drivers side... not a major drama if heading down this route and there are plenty of examples here and in other posts...

<tuffty/>
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Ok thank you il try and give them a ring over the weekend as everywhere is closed by the time I finish work -_-.
I've got a dremel so bumper mods shouldn't be a problem. I have had a look but to be honest there so much to look at on here I'm not really sure what I'm looking at.
 
I probably should mention that I'm a welder by trade and can weld Ali so if I could weld any pipes on to make it easier ? As the ah one is so expensive would the Toyosports type B, be a better choice ?

Also the mods I have on my car already is a 3" cat back powerflow exhaust sounds really nice. I also have an Rtech induction kit just waiting on the inlet pipe to be made and delivered, again from Rtech I also have a stage 1 remap
 
Frazer English said:
I probably should mention that I'm a welder by trade and can weld Ali so if I could weld any pipes on to make it easier ? As the ah one is so expensive would the Toyosports type B, be a better choice ?

Also the mods I have on my car already is a 3" cat back powerflow exhaust sounds really nice. I also have an Rtech induction kit just waiting on the inlet pipe to be made and delivered, again from Rtech I also have a stage 1 remap
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Toyo Type B = (H)600 x (W)300 x (D)76 Inlet and Outlet = 76mm (3'')

AH Fab V2 = (H) 585 x (W)335 x (D)62 Inlet and Outlet = 63mm (Same as stock Pipework)

Its down to you really dude, I Bought the AH V2 because it allowed me to keep the car looking stock and retaining my fog lights. the 3'' pipework i believe you will be taking the fogs ( plain plastic if you dont have them) out to make room
 
AdzA3AGU said:
Toyo Type B = (H)600 x (W)300 x (D)76 Inlet and Outlet = 76mm (3'')

AH Fab V2 = (H) 585 x (W)335 x (D)62 Inlet and Outlet = 63mm (Same as stock Pipework)

Its down to you really dude, I Bought the AH V2 because it allowed me to keep the car looking stock and retaining my fog lights. the 3'' pipework i believe you will be taking the fogs ( plain plastic if you dont have them) out to make room
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Ok thanks allot for our help man. I would like the ah one but £650 is abit to steep as don't think the car is really worth it lol I mean I love the car but it's on 130,000 miles so I might try make the Toyosports one work but be nice to see if some on has made it work.
 
I'm going to be fitting a fmic when I fit my new headlights as the bumper will be off but going thru this thread their seems to be a few parts list but are all different
So far I got
Fmic 600x300x76 63mm inlets
Forge map sensor pipe
2x 63 MM. alloy bends
1 alloy joiner
Do I need 2 or 4 silicone bends?
Sorry I know this has probably been asked a 1000 times
 
Tj 0785 said:
I'm going to be fitting a fmic when I fit my new headlights as the bumper will be off but going thru this thread their seems to be a few parts list but are all different
So far I got
Fmic 600x300x76 63mm inlets
Forge map sensor pipe
2x 63 MM. alloy bends
1 alloy joiner
Do I need 2 or 4 silicone bends?
Sorry I know this has probably been asked a 1000 times
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i used 2 but if your inlet and outlets are straight and not bent 90 deg id say 4 is what your gonna need
 
I've just installed a fmic on mine but it's an APY. At work now but if you PM me as a reminder I'll send over my pics n details?
 
So I after much thinking I've decided on the intercooler I'm going for the Toyosports type R on my a3 Quattro
http://www.toyosports.co.uk/fmic-ffront-mount-turbo-intercooler-type-r-550x225x64mm-7499-955-p.asp

I've gone for this as I'm not looking for any more power than 250 really and using anything bigger would just cause to much lag and is over kill for my ko3s il be placing the order on Friday then trolling back through this thread again -_- to get a list of pipes I need. Not sure if I need any specific ones to mount sensors?
 
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Frazer English said:
So I after much thinking I've decided on the intercooler I'm going for the Toyosports type R on my a3 Quattro
http://www.toyosports.co.uk/fmic-ffront-mount-turbo-intercooler-type-r-550x225x64mm-7499-955-p.asp

I've gone for this as I'm not looking for any more power than 250 really and using anything bigger would just cause to much lag and is over kill for my ko3s il be placing the order on Friday then trolling back through this thread again -_- to get a list of pipes I need. Not sure if I need any specific ones to mount sensors?
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im not sure how it all pipes up on the A3 but if its similar to the S3 then you wont need anything for sensors. only one you come close to is MAP sensor on the passenger side but i mounted my hoses to the joiner on that pipe and i was done. My advice is to set a day out. pull it all off to see what you have, take your own measurements, that way you cant go wrong.
 
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AdzA3AGU said:
im not sure how it all pipes up on the A3 but if its similar to the S3 then you wont need anything for sensors. only one you come close to is MAP sensor on the passenger side but i mounted my hoses to the joiner on that pipe and i was done. My advice is to set a day out. pull it all off to see what you have, take your own measurements, that way you cant go wrong.
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ok thanks pal il order one of those to when I order all the pipe work up you get them from forge yeah ? And thanks for your advice mate I'm gonna do it over a weekend give my self plenty of time
 
Frazer English said:
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ok thanks pal il order one of those to when I order all the pipe work up you get them from forge yeah ? And thanks for your advice mate I'm gonna do it over a weekend give my self plenty of time
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No I ordered it for Auto Silicone Hoses
 
Frazer English said:
So I after much thinking I've decided on the intercooler I'm going for the Toyosports type R on my a3 Quattro
http://www.toyosports.co.uk/fmic-ffront-mount-turbo-intercooler-type-r-550x225x64mm-7499-955-p.asp

I've gone for this as I'm not looking for any more power than 250 really and using anything bigger would just cause to much lag and is over kill for my ko3s il be placing the order on Friday then trolling back through this thread again -_- to get a list of pipes I need. Not sure if I need any specific ones to mount sensors?
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You will need a MAP sensor pipe for A3 FMIC install as it's normally mounted in SMIC (unless it's AGU, in which case it has no MAP sensor!)

Copied and pasted from this post yesterday:

"Right, this post:
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/ebay-fmic-arrived.227334

You will learn a lot more from this post than the FMIC sticky...

How you go off the turbo/over the rocker and incorporate the DV is open to interpretation and you might have to use your imagination a bit... I think I probably went about it a bit of a weird way, but hey, it works!

Also, I think how "higgysmalls" came off the IC and back to the TB may be a slightly better way of going about it... Again though, it's subjective and you have to use your imagination a bit.

Remember you can always order more than you need from autosiliconehoses.com, have a play about and return what you don't need... They're pretty good like that.

Good luck!"

As mentioned, I will get round to writing up more information for A3/k03 FMIC soon!!!
 
Hi - so I know this thread is the FMIC bible and have skimmed it.

but...

I have most of a Stage 2 installed (I think)

I am not upgrading rods
I am not interested in more than 280BHP or 300 lb/ft torque

but...
I do want a remap after TIP and downpipe and therefore a FMIC.

The thread actually started with the 50mm inlet and outlets - these look tidy but are smaller than the 63mm stock - tuffty chopped his off but he has a massive turbo in a perfect condition car.


can I get one of this fake forge ones on ebay? - my only concern is 63mm -> 50mm

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-S3-T...ooler-Kit-Performance-Red-Hoses-/291849457726

Thanks
 
Stuart B said:
Hi - so I know this thread is the FMIC bible and have skimmed it.

but...

I have most of a Stage 2 installed (I think)

I am not upgrading rods
I am not interested in more than 280BHP or 300 lb/ft torque

but...
I do want a remap after TIP and downpipe and therefore a FMIC.

The thread actually started with the 50mm inlet and outlets - these look tidy but are smaller than the 63mm stock - tuffty chopped his off but he has a massive turbo in a perfect condition car.


can I get one of this fake forge ones on ebay? - my only concern is 63mm -> 50mm

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-S3-T...ooler-Kit-Performance-Red-Hoses-/291849457726

Thanks
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Don't buy one with 50mm pipes... the end...

There are better alternatives available these days... options I didn't have at the time hence designing the AH V1 to be much like the Forge one as the Forge one ticked the OE fitment box and AH pricing was more favourable...

The V2 is better but it has gone up by some margin since I originally designed it which in fairness is not surprising as they were knocking them out incredibly cheaply... but even at the 400-450 ish price some have been negotiating its cheaper and much much more efficient than the Forge offering.

The Airtech seems to be ok... have seen decent results from cars with those fitted and they appear to be decently priced (not looked recently)

When I originally fitted my AH V1 it effect was very noticeable... more consistent power delivery and lower IAT's overall... but... while you could argue it 'worked' with its 51mm pipework it doesn't make it 'right' and given there are better alternatives for similar or cheaper money out there I wouldn't give 51mm pipework a second glance

<tuffty/>
 
Thanks for your help tuffty - I have been dubious over this 63mm>51mm since the very first post in this thread - I will scrap that idea - it must generate more heat and pressure differential.

I will re-scan for a 63/64mm inlet/outlet intercooler which can still keep my all important fog lights.
 
VAG-Slag said:
You will need a MAP sensor pipe for A3 FMIC install as it's normally mounted in SMIC (unless it's AGU, in which case it has no MAP sensor!)

Copied and pasted from this post yesterday:

"Right, this post:
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/ebay-fmic-arrived.227334

You will learn a lot more from this post than the FMIC sticky...

How you go off the turbo/over the rocker and incorporate the DV is open to interpretation and you might have to use your imagination a bit... I think I probably went about it a bit of a weird way, but hey, it works!

Also, I think how "higgysmalls" came off the IC and back to the TB may be a slightly better way of going about it... Again though, it's subjective and you have to use your imagination a bit.

Remember you can always order more than you need from autosiliconehoses.com, have a play about and return what you don't need... They're pretty good like that.

Good luck!"

As mentioned, I will get round to writing up more information for A3/k03 FMIC soon!!!
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Thanks allot pal that thread will come in massive help :)
Ah yeah I completely forgot I had to incorporate that :/ I think that will take more time to figure out a away as last thing I want to do is rush it.
Il do some research into it thanks allot for your help :)
 
Hi,

Can anyone confirm whether I will need a "map sensor pipe" on a 2001 AMK S3?

I was planning on these items.

FMIC FFRONT MOUNT TURBO INTERCOOLER 550x225x64MM 2.5" BLACK
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141823559436

or a silver finished version for a few quid cheaper

and

a generic pipe fitting kit

2.5" TURBO INTERCOOLER PIPE PIPING DIY KIT 64MM BLUE
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190429521934


I do have a question of the difference between the toyosports intercoolers

FMIC FFRONT MOUNT TURBO INTERCOOLER TYPE H2 550x225x64MM 2.5"

and

FMIC FFRONT MOUNT TURBO INTERCOOLER 550x225x64MM 2.5"

what is "TYPE H2" ?


Thanks
 
I've just had a thought about the diverter valve problem. As I'm waiting on s turbo intake pipe from Rtech won't the pipe work connect to that from the front mount ? As it has places for the dv valve to fit into ? Or am I completely wrong ?
 
Frazer English said:
I've just had a thought about the diverter valve problem. As I'm waiting on s turbo intake pipe from Rtech won't the pipe work connect to that from the front mount ? As it has places for the dv valve to fit into ? Or am I completely wrong ?
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Correct - DV has to go from the charge pipe (closest to the turbo the better) back into the TIP in one way or another. . . You could in theory have the DV in the TIP or in the charge pipe
 
Not sure if this is the correct thread for other FMICs but has anyone got any experience of the wager tuning FMIC on an S3 8L. I'm considering it because it doesn't require crash bar mods, and can keep my fogs. What's the maximum power it will be able to cope with? Not planning anything major at this stage but would be good to know. Thanks.
 
Auditurbo83 said:
Not sure if this is the correct thread for other FMICs but has anyone got any experience of the wager tuning FMIC on an S3 8L. I'm considering it because it doesn't require crash bar mods, and can keep my fogs. What's the maximum power it will be able to cope with? Not planning anything major at this stage but would be good to know. Thanks.
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There are a couple of members that have used this core... seems decent enough in principle but I would take some of the high power capabilities the internet experts suggest with a pinch of salt...

I am aware that there are a couple of fairly high power cars that use this FMIC... however... just because they make 'power' doesn't mean its happy about doing it... I could probably squeeze into 32" waist trousers but my 36" frame wouldn't be happy about it :)

The core itself is a large surface area with decent looking end tanks but its only 50mm deep... be interested to see the pressure drop cross the core on a very high power car...

I would however like to think its would handle a hybrid K04 though but not seen on e on Bill's dyno myself so can't really comment on it specifically but what I have seen from other FMIC's...

<tuffty/>
 
<tuffty/> said:
There are a couple of members that have used this core... seems decent enough in principle but I would take some of the high power capabilities the internet experts suggest with a pinch of salt...

I am aware that there are a couple of fairly high power cars that use this FMIC... however... just because they make 'power' doesn't mean its happy about doing it... I could probably squeeze into 32" waist trousers but my 36" frame wouldn't be happy about it :)

The core itself is a large surface area with decent looking end tanks but its only 50mm deep... be interested to see the pressure drop cross the core on a very high power car...

I would however like to think its would handle a hybrid K04 though but not seen on e on Bill's dyno myself so can't really comment on it specifically but what I have seen from other FMIC's...

<tuffty/>
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Thanks Tufty - very helpful. Loving the trouser analogy!

As mentioned I'm not planning on any big power at this stage so as long as it can cope with a hybrid in due course I'd be more than happy. But reassuring to know a few big powered cars use it although appreciate it may not necessarily be the best choice.

From what I can gather the wagner used to be considered expensive so put a lot of people off but the AH Fabs V2 isn't exactly cheap!

I did send a query to wagner asking what it's been tested up to and they said:

"We've had this intercooler on plenty of cars over 500hp but you should take the advice of your tuner if they would prefer to use other products".
 
if you only want a small inlet / outlet and don't want difficulties with bumpers, crash mods, fogs and grills. get a fake forge kit. £150 - they are usually about £250 if I recall

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDI-S3-F...RCOOLER-AND-PIPES-20v-Turbo-1-8-/253070177752

Actually you do need to trim the crashbar as these are 70mm core even though the inlet / outlet are 50mm, it takes about 20 mins with an angle grinder as it is made of aluminium.
 
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Thanks to you both. Wanted to avoid cutting the crash bar so that rules out the airtec which, I understand, requires cutting. I've seen all the comments about the function of the crash bar etc but it's just something I don't want to do/have done.
 
Auditurbo83 said:
Thanks to you both. Wanted to avoid cutting the crash bar so that rules out the airtec which, I understand, requires cutting. I've seen all the comments about the function of the crash bar etc but it's just something I don't want to do/have done.
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Ford Escort Mk2 1


The bit of metal up front on this Mk2 Escort... essentially all a crash bar is but at the end of the day its your call :)

I am all for not messing with structural integrity of a car... notching chassis legs so morons can lower the car to the deck is a classic no no in my book but the crash bar is for low speed parking bumps... you hit it and any speed above something that would just deform the bumper and its not saving anything..

<tuffty/>
 
<tuffty/> said:
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The bit of metal up front on this Mk2 Escort... essentially all a crash bar is but at the end of the day its your call :)

I am all for not messing with structural integrity of a car... notching chassis legs so morons can lower the car to the deck is a classic no no in my book but the crash bar is for low speed parking bumps... you hit it and any speed above something that would just deform the bumper and its not saving anything..

<tuffty/>
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I've read similar comments previously but for me it's just not something I'd be comfortable doing and I'd probably make a mess of it anyway! But I need a FMIC if I'm ever going to go beyond a stage 1 map! And I met someone recently who told me a few horror stories about some remaps from one particular tuner in Staines who is no longer in the business. My car was also mapped by that tuner so need to get to Bill or Nicky Gower to check it over/remap sooner rather than later as I'm a bit nervous now despite the fact the map has been on the car for quite a few years.
 
what mounts is everyone using? any one producing them for use with a "welly Cooler"?
 
Dubspy said:
what mounts is everyone using? any one producing them for use with a "welly Cooler"?
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I made my own mounts for welly cooler, think that's what most people do for diy welly cooler installs, as is really simple,
 
Just spoke with Alex from AH fabs he’s quoting £500 + VAT a lot better than £650
 
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