Remapping A3 on PCP?

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Hi,

I'm just wondering if anyone here has remapped an A3 that's on PCP?

I have an A3 1.8TFSI Quattro 3dr if anyone's wondering.
 
You really shouldn't be doing this, you don't own a PCP car and it will invalidate warranty.

People will argue it's reversible so what's the problem but the main point is unless you pay it off and buy it then it isn't yours to modify.
 
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Hi,

I'm just wondering if anyone here has remapped an A3 that's on PCP?

I have an A3 1.8TFSI Quattro 3dr if anyone's wondering.

When I bought my S3 the Audi sales guy said I could easily remap it to 360.. he didn't seem to give a monkeys...needless to say I haven't remapped it as it's quick enough


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Just don't. It's not your car. If you modify it, you invalidate the warranty. Your pcp contract will be in turn invalidated, and VWFS will want your mortal soul or full payment.

Here's an example of what can happen;

This morning, Seat UK formally confirmed that the car's warranty on the ECU and Engine is void. They are not prepared to investigate the matter any further, believeing the REVO code, and that alone is the cause of the ECU's inability to communicate with the rest of the car, and VAGCOM. Furthermore, they have cancelled the breakdown assistance for the vehicle too, as it has been substantially altered outside of the original spec. They said that any further breakdown on the car is highly unlikley going to be atributed to the OE hardware in the car, and is due to the engine running outside of the recommended spec.

The vehice is under a contracted finance agreement also, and they also believe I have broken the terms of that contract, and have demanded payment in full within 28 days for the outstanding balance, or the goods returned to them in original condition (fair wear and tear excluded). I have asked for written proof of this by Friday.

They have also cancelled and taken back the hire car.
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The guys at VagTech were present when this was all being discussed with the suited chap from Seat who was there this afternoon, and explained to him how none of the cars electricts ect were touched, but the person from Seat wasn't bothered. While he was there, they built a test bench with the aid of Carl from REVO to see if ECU info can be pulled up from it when it is removed from the vehicle.

As he expected, when the ECU is taken out the car, it did function correctly. This would lead to a wireing fault, but he said it's a needle in a haystack situation. And they also confirmed that no wires were touched during the IC installation. Seat still refuse to believe this.

Despite the fact that there is no longer a warrenty on this 9 month old car, Seat have instructed VagTech to stop carrying out work on the ECU, as it's their property! A few choice words from myself and the guys at VagTech were exchanged, then the Seat person left.

The instruction was then given to strip ALL modifications from the vehicle.

Source: http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=193416&page=3}
 
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I've just re-read my Audi finance contract and no where in the contract does it state you aren't allowed to modify the vehicle, it merely states not to sell the vehicle, keep it in good condition, pay insurance, allow it to be inspected etc etc.
I'm just playing devil's advocate as I've already made a small change to the exhaust and thinking about getting a remap, I would like to know from more knowledgable people if I'm still covered. Thanks :blush:
 
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I've just re-read my Audi finance contract and no where in the contract does it state you aren't allowed to modify the vehicle, it merely states not to sell the vehicle, keep it in good condition, pay insurance, allow it to be inspected etc etc.
I'm just playing devil's advocate as I've already made a small change to the exhaust and thinking about getting a remap, I would like to know from more knowledgable people if I'm still covered. Thanks :blush:

I think it comes from the fact that you are expected to maintain the car and not change it to such a degree that it would invalidate the warranty. Remap would invalidate the warranty, therefore possibly doesn't full under 'taking appropriate care'?

I personally wouldn't modify any car on PCP, but I am sure many have and had no issues. The prospect of running into issues and not having the warranty would put me off above all else.

The SEAT example is somewhat extreme, but certainly an example of what could happen in the worst case scenario (although I believe he had much more modified than merely a stage 1 remap).

Given the increased insurance, risk with the finance company and invalidated warranty, I think I would of just gone with an S3 from the offset....
 
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I think it comes from the fact that you are expected to maintain the car and not change it to such a degree that it would invalidate the warranty. Remap would invalidate the warranty, therefore possibly doesn't full under 'taking appropriate care'?

I personally wouldn't modify any car on PCP, but I am sure many have and had no issues. The prospect of running into issues and not having the warranty would put me off above all else.

The SEAT example is somewhat extreme, but certainly an example of what could happen in the worst case scenario (although I believe he had much more modified than merely a stage 1 remap).

Given the increased insurance, risk with the finance company and invalidated warranty, I think I would of just gone with an S3 from the offset....

This.

If you wanted a fast car, you should have bought one!!

As said above, if they pull the finance, they will want the full balance paid asap!! Not worth the risk
 
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I think it comes from the fact that you are expected to maintain the car and not change it to such a degree that it would invalidate the warranty. Remap would invalidate the warranty, therefore possibly doesn't full under 'taking appropriate care'?

I personally wouldn't modify any car on PCP, but I am sure many have and had no issues. The prospect of running into issues and not having the warranty would put me off above all else.

The SEAT example is somewhat extreme, but certainly an example of what could happen in the worst case scenario (although I believe he had much more modified than merely a stage 1 remap).

Given the increased insurance, risk with the finance company and invalidated warranty, I think I would of just gone with an S3 from the offset....
I've actually asked if I can modify before and they say as long as its reverted back to stock when returned...
 
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I've actually asked if I can modify before and they say as long as its reverted back to stock when returned...

That cant be true..it is also a case of what one person calls a modification etc...

If the warranty is invalid because it has been tuned, its impossible to give it back as it was...isn't it?
 
That cant be true..it is also a case of what one person calls a modification etc...

If the warranty is invalid because it has been tuned, its impossible to give it back as it was...isn't it?

Got this response from their twitter team -

Thank you for contacting Audi Finance in relation to PCP agreement.


You will be pleased to know you are able to make modifications to your vehicle. However please be mindful, if you wished to return your vehicle it will need to have all original factory parts and if there has been any damage as a result of this, you may be charged refurbishment costs.


Should you have any further enquiries please feel free to contact us, alternatively you can call us on 0370 010 2007between 8am – 8pm Monday to Friday and 9am – 5pm on Saturday.
 
I'd say they're talking more abouts wheels etc, things that are easily changed back to stock with no trace. From reading this forum and many others, the fact there will be a TD1 flag on the car would mean you're not returning the vehicle back as it was when new. Audi then can't/won't warranty the engine at all for any resale once you hand the car back.

Personally on a PCP I wouldn't do anything except cosmetic changes that can be taken off and replaced with stock.
 
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I really don't understand how people think it's appropriate to remap, box, cut exhaust sections out etc etc etc of a car which you don't even own. Putting it back to stock after putting increased loads and stresses really isn't the point, that car would have suffered a much harder life than a stock model.

You wouldn't rent a house and add a loft conversion or knock down the walls.

If you want to mod it, buy it and do as you please.
 
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Just get a tuning box, I don't think anyone is really that bothered about the vehicle once you've ended the agreement and handed it back...
 
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Just get a tuning box, I don't think anyone is really that bothered about the vehicle once you've ended the agreement and handed it back...
But surely you should care as the car will then be sold to somebody who thinks it's standard etc.
 
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Like everything in life, you pays yer money ye take yer choice...its a Gamble
 
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I wouldn't. Audi told me point blank they would not have my RS4 as a trade in if a TD1 flag popped up.

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I've just re-read my Audi finance contract and no where in the contract does it state you aren't allowed to modify the vehicle, it merely states not to sell the vehicle, keep it in good condition, pay insurance, allow it to be inspected etc etc.
I'm just playing devil's advocate as I've already made a small change to the exhaust and thinking about getting a remap, I would like to know from more knowledgable people if I'm still covered. Thanks :blush:

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"Good repair and condition, commensurate with its age and mileage"

This means, on a car less than 3 years old, having a warranty. Tuning mapping or otherwise interfering with the calibration of the engine management invalidates the warranty, ergo, you will have failed to comply with clause 3.1. Your contract will be breached, and you will have to pay "immediately" to restore the vehicle to its standard specification.
 
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Most PCPs are 36 or 48 months so the car wouldn't have any warranty left on it when it went back...
 
It's what they would value it at rather than warranty amd clauses I'd be worried about

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Most PCPs are 36 or 48 months so the car wouldn't have any warranty left on it when it went back...
The terms apply at all points during the term, not just at the end.

Mileage fees for instance, can be applied at any time, day you have a 9000 miles per year pcp, and do 15000 miles in 12 months, they can and may invoice you for the additional 6000 miles at 7.2p per mile (£432). Should you then return the vehicle with a lower average of only 9000 per year at the end of term, then you'd get a refund, but the point is that all the terms are just as valid at day 100 of the agreement as they are at day 1095.
 
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I think there is a bit of scare mongering going on in this thread tbh,
Taking the analogy of would you do a loft conversion on a rented property, that would also apply to a house thats mortgaged.
So are you not allowed to do modifications if you don't own your house outright?
A pcp is an agreement to buy the car with an option to hand if back at the end. I think as long as you understand they would want it back standard and in full working order, I don't see an issue.
If it was a lease then that's a different story as that's never yours.
My last S3 came from the dealers with a full turbo back milltek exhast, I was chuffed to bits!
 
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I think there is a bit of scare mongering going on in this thread tbh,
Taking the analogy of would you do a loft conversion on a rented property, that would also apply to a house thats mortgaged.
So are you not allowed to do modifications if you don't own your house outright?
A pcp is an agreement to buy the car with an option to hand if back at the end. I think as long as you understand they would want it back standard and in full working order, I don't see an issue.
If it was a lease then that's a different story as that's never yours.
My last S3 came from the dealers with a full turbo back milltek exhast, I was chuffed to bits!
This analogy is also flawed.

On a freehold property the mortgage providers stipulations are onerous enough, but a pcp is more akin to leasehold, and leasehold is a very different kettle of fish, with lease clauses that can stipulate anything from the colour of your front door to how many people may occupy the property and what time you can play music to. Violate any of these, and you could find yourself without a property and owing an awful lot of money to the mortgage lender.

This isn't scaremongering, this is reality, and the reality is that ignorance of the contract you've signed doesn't make it any less valid should you breach it. VWFS have lent you a car in return for money, but a good part of the value of that loan is tied up in that car, a car you don't own. If you destroy the value locked into by tuning it and breaking it or abusing it, they're going to want out. Ultimately that could cost you the car, plus an awful lot of money to put right the damage you've done to the asset.
 
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One other thing to mention that I thought I'd add is about GAP insurance. I noticed that when I cancelled my old A3 cover the other day in the T&C's it stated that if a car was in any way modified from the state in which it came out of the factory in then the cover would be invalid.

It surprised me actually as when I picked up my A3 I got the Audi dealership to add tinted windows on which they did and I purchased the GAP insurance at the same time from them too. Admittedly not a huge alteration but whether or not the GAP insurance would have even paid up if required I don't know!
 
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Until you make the final payment the car belongs to VW finance. You may pay xxx per month but the car isn't yours. It's really not worth breaching the t&c's
 
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As already stated by GSB a PCP and a mortgage are not comparable.

Is it really that hard to understand that you shouldn't modify a car you don't own. Engine modifications and maps will certainly increase wear in the vehicle.
 
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I was talking to my master tech about it. They are a lot hotter on it now. Basically a TD1 will mean your GFV is not worth the paper it's written on. They would nit be able to market your car as approved and it would just go to auction. Like i said when i traded mine in it had it written on the contract that on handover day my car will be checked for a TD1 as a condition of the deal.

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Whats a TD1 please?
My understanding is that it's a marker against the profile of the car, not sure if this added to the actual car or the history of it.

It's a flag for modifications
 
Does a tuning box still flag up a TD1 thou on the ECU?
I would be very surprised if the technicians technology didn't have the ability to pick up the fact that's something been plugged in, even if removed for servicing etc.

I'm sure someone on here will know for sure.
 
I would be very surprised if the technicians technology didn't have the ability to pick up the fact that's something been plugged in, even if removed for servicing etc.

I'm sure someone on here will know for sure.

Of course they can. It may be that they haven't been looking (yet), but the ECU's in the engine and gearbox will both have recorded parameters way outside of typical, and it won't take a genius to figure out what's been going on.
Audi asking about mods
 
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Of course they can. It may be that they haven't been looking (yet), but the ECU's in the engine and gearbox will both have recorded parameters way outside of typical, and it won't take a genius to figure out what's been going on.
Audi asking about mods
Even if you clear them they can see when they were last cleared

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I've just re-read my Audi finance contract and no where in the contract does it state you aren't allowed to modify the vehicle, it merely states not to sell the vehicle, keep it in good condition, pay insurance, allow it to be inspected etc etc.

I doubt it says not to paint it a different colour either but do you think you'd be allowed to do that?
 
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Does everyone realise that if you remove the remap it also removes the TD1
 
Pretty sure that isnt true..

How do you know that?
When I was an Audi tech if you reverted the car back to oem software it removed the TD1. Unless they have updated this of course
 
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When I was an Audi tech if you reverted the car back to oem software it removed the TD1. Unless they have updated this of course
It's all very well removing the sw from the car, but if the data has ever been transferred to Audi in the past then it's still recorded / archived somewhere within Audi's files for the car that it has had a TD1 marker against it at some point.
 

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