What performance upgrades can i do now to increase 1/4 mile time?

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Hey guys!

Recently had my car down my local drag strip (Crail Scotland) and I seem to be getting figures of about 12.8 with my 5 door DSG APR stage 2+ however still seem to be getting beat quite a bit by golf R's and A45's.

Is there any other performance upgrades that will make a big difference to my times apart from a bigger turbo?
as I don't really have the money for that at the moment! :)

I currently have a de-cat custom exhaust
Revo Intake
Loba HPFP
APR Stage 2+


Any help greatly appreciated.
 
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Was thinking about going yesterday, my pal Fonzo goes every weekend. Where abouts u stay? I'm in Kirkcaldy.
 
S3 is quite heavy.

Remove the rear seats and lose about 70kgs,and consider some really sticky tyres like R888Rs if you can.

Other than that,it's not easy or cheap,and more power to improve your power/weight ratio is the answer.
 
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Sherv said:
Was thinking about going yesterday, my pal Fonzo goes every weekend. Where abouts u stay? I'm in Kirkcaldy.
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You should of went what a day it was! and im in Cupar mate.

S3Alex said:
S3 is quite heavy.

Remove the rear seats and lose about 70kgs,and consider some really sticky tyres like R888Rs if you can.

Other than that,it's not easy or cheap,and more power to improve your power/weight ratio is the answer.
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Yeh I was worried that was the only options :(

Do you think a DSG Map would make any differance?
 
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S3Alex has given you some great advice there.

The only other thing at stage 2+ I can think of that will make a noticeable difference for you is to get the DSG map as well.

The following aren't going to make any drastic changes, but a lot of people have noticed improvements with them which altogether might improve your 1/4 mile time by a teeny, tiny, insy, little bit:
I've also removed the spare wheel, every little helps ;)

You've got rotors which are the kings for the S3, wish I had a set but couldn't afford them. Not sure how heavy they're by my standard S3 alloys weighed an absolute shed tonne, whereas my TD 1.2's only weigh 15kg each.
 
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As above, what tyres are you running atm?

You could consider lightweight alloys to save a few Kg's and a lightweight battery. Also, remove the spare wheel and as Alex mention, the rear seats and passenger seat. I'm assuming you're not taking a passenger with you? One last thing would be to reduce the amount of fuel you run in the car for the qtr mile run as fuel is heavy.
 
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S3Alex has given you some great advice there.

The only other thing at stage 2+ I can think of that will make a noticeable difference for you is to get the DSG map as well.

The following aren't going to make any drastic changes, but a lot of people have noticed improvements with them which altogether might improve your 1/4 mile time by a teeny, tiny, insy, little bit:
I've also removed the spare wheel, every little helps ;)

You've got rotors which are the kings for the S3, wish I had a set but couldn't afford them. Not sure how heavy they're by my standard S3 alloys weighed an absolute shed tonne, whereas my TD 1.2's only weigh 15kg each.
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Cheers HHS3 some great advice and I will definitely look into these options!

Every little helps ;)

Interested to hear anyone with the DSG map to see how they get on and if it makes any difference.

nluk100 said:
As above, what tyres are you running atm?

You could consider lightweight alloys to save a few Kg's and a lightweight battery. Also, remove the spare wheel and as Alex mention, the rear seats and passenger seat. I'm assuming you're not taking a passenger with you? One last thing would be to reduce the amount of fuel you run in the car for the qtr mile run as fuel is heavy.
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To be honest with you the tires im running are not ideal however I did not spin so should it make that much differance?
And no ive not got a passenger and the spare wheel is out!
So hard to get better times!!
 
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Trouble is,when you start adding all of these things up in the pursuit of a second or so,it all gets very expensive very quickly.

Add lightweight alloys,lightweight battery,and some of the pipework above and you're already into several hundred pounds.
At Stg2+,you're at the realistic limit of power from your car without a big turbo or hybrid.

As above,a DSG map may well help,and whilst you may not have noticed any wheelspin,did you run with the TC off or on?......I'd always found Audi's stock TC to be really intrusive,and I'm glad I don't have to run that now.
 
S3Alex said:
Trouble is,when you start adding all of these things up in the pursuit of a second or so,it all gets very expensive very quickly.

Add lightweight alloys,lightweight battery,and some of the pipework above and you're already into several hundred pounds.
At Stg2+,you're at the realistic limit of power from your car without a big turbo or hybrid.

As above,a DSG map may well help,and whilst you may not have noticed any wheelspin,did you run with the TC off or on?......I'd always found Audi's stock TC to be really intrusive,and I'm glad I don't have to run that now.
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Hey Alex,
Thanks for your reply!
and yeh that's true! I would rather save up for a bigger turbo or hybrid rather than save a few Kg's, Speaking of which what options are they for tubo's? I know there is a TTE420 and was speaking to a guy at Crail yesterday and he was saying they are releasing a TTE480 this month?

and yeh I run without TC on
 
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Hey Alex,
Thanks for your reply!
and yeh that's true! I would rather save up for a bigger turbo or hybrid rather than save a few Kg's, Speaking of which what options are they for tubo's? I know there is a TTE420 and was speaking to a guy at Crail yesterday and he was saying they are releasing a TTE480 this month?

and yeh I run without TC on
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The quickest and easiest weight saving is the rear seats...that's an easy 70kgs in total,and costs nothing.

Speak to Simon( @TTE Si ) for advice on the TTE options.
They produce and excellent set of hybrids,which bolt on,and then need mapping and fuelling,but are unlikely to exceed the stock internals torque limits,which is a major plus on top of the other benefits.

@leshkin has a TTE hybrid on his car and seems very happy with the results.

A proper big turbo requires a good kit to run it,like the Nortech exhaust manifold,and a host of other bits,and an engine rebuild for the likely torque.
The only exception to this would be the APR GTX2867 kit,or a GTX 3071.
Anything going significantly beyond 450lbs is venturing into the unknown on stock parts.
 
Oh yes, TTE420 with supporting mods is going to result in a seriously quick car. It is not that cheap though.
 
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S3Alex said:
The quickest and easiest weight saving is the rear seats...that's an easy 70kgs in total,and costs nothing.

Speak to Simon( @TTE Si ) for advice on the TTE options.
They produce and excellent set of hybrids,which bolt on,and then need mapping and fuelling,but are unlikely to exceed the stock internals torque limits,which is a major plus on top of the other benefits.

@leshkin has a TTE hybrid on his car and seems very happy with the results.

A proper big turbo requires a good kit to run it,like the Nortech exhaust manifold,and a host of other bits,and an engine rebuild for the likely torque.
The only exception to this would be the APR GTX2867 kit,or a GTX 3071.
Anything going significantly beyond 450lbs is venturing into the unknown on stock parts.
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70kg! Thats like a full person!

And thanks for the info i will definitely look at my options and price it up! :)
 
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moleskn1 said:
Hey Alex,
Thanks for your reply!
and yeh that's true! I would rather save up for a bigger turbo or hybrid rather than save a few Kg's, Speaking of which what options are they for tubo's? I know there is a TTE420 and was speaking to a guy at Crail yesterday and he was saying they are releasing a TTE480 this month?

and yeh I run without TC on
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Tte480 for tfsi EA113 engine?
 
S. said:
Tte480 for tfsi EA113 engine?
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Thats what the guy said yesterday, however I have researched it and haven't found anything so don't know..

Have you been down the 1/4 mile? your car looks like it has alot done to it!
 
Mine is manual with lot's of mods done to it but i never had a run on 1/4.
Once my friend took it for a few runs while the car was on a stand at the event, and since it was his first time in s3 (awd) he couldn't get good starts, and the bolt on short shifter went loose so gears were all over the place. He managed to do 13.5-13.6 if i remeber.
I was under impression that was good for manual car.
 
I was under the impression that TTE480 would require a forged engine.

Sent from a mobile device, please forgive typos :)
 
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leshkin said:
I was under the impression that TTE480 would require a forged engine.

Sent from a mobile device, please forgive typos :)
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Yes, but if it's kept under the safe limits it means it wouldn't have to work hard to achieve safe figures. At least that's my thinking..
 
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Yes, but if it's kept under the safe limits it means it wouldn't have to work hard to achieve safe figures. At least that's my thinking..
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Fair enough. I was just looking at my results with TTE420 and turbo is now definitely not the weakest link. I guess it all depends on how far you plan on going with it as the extra money you spend on 480 could be used on the other components.

Sent from a mobile device, please forgive typos :)
 
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leshkin said:
I was under the impression that TTE480 would require a forged engine.

Sent from a mobile device, please forgive typos :)
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S. said:
Yes, but if it's kept under the safe limits it means it wouldn't have to work hard to achieve safe figures. At least that's my thinking..
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leshkin said:
Fair enough. I was just looking at my results with TTE420 and turbo is now definitely not the weakest link. I guess it all depends on how far you plan on going with it as the extra money you spend on 480 could be used on the other components.

Sent from a mobile device, please forgive typos :)
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@leshkin ....can you see where this is going!.....

Re the above,it's perfectly safe to run a humungous turbo well short of it's limits to stay under the engine's torque limits,and/or to reduce timing etc to do the same.

We ran a GT3071 on mine for some time,getting 440bhp/440lbs,and only did the engine work when I moved to a GTX3076,and then the current turbo.
What I don't know is how applicable the TTE480 is to our particular engine,if it's primarily aimed at the EA113.
Simon would be the man to tell you that.

The only downsides to effectively under-running a bigger turbo are going to be slower spool,but then mine doesn't really get going until 4500rpm,so I can't chuck stones either....
 
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S3Alex said:
@leshkin ....can you see where this is going!.....
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Nope, nope, no.... I don't need a bigger turbo... Nope, not even in the slightest :p

Noisepollution460
 
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TTE480 details to be shared 9th Sept

what i can say is plug & play hybrid like TTE420 (K04 064 Frame)
 
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TTE Si said:
TTE480 details to be shared 9th Sept

what i can say is plug & play hybrid like TTE420 (K04 064 Frame)
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ooh exciting! so he wasn't lying!

Im buzzing
 
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TTE Si said:
TTE480 details to be shared 9th Sept

what i can say is plug & play hybrid like TTE420 (K04 064 Frame)
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That's going to sell well.

Good luck.
 
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Arrghh just been informed my tte420 has been delivered today
 
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BurgoS3 said:
Arrghh just been informed my tte420 has been delivered today
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See if Simon can do anything about that....

Failing that,the difference will be about 40-50bhp at best,assuming everything else works at it's best.
 
I've got it through awesome, as well as the other hardware, it's booked in for next Monday, I'll see what Simon says on the 9th. I can probably just return it as it should still be boxed and I only paid a deposit on the order
 
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moleskn1 said:
and yeh I run without TC on
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That's odd? You don't get any power interruption with TC on? I have to turn both TC and ESP off otherwise it kills the power as soon as it releases the clutch (I'm at stage 2+ too), and I am running Michelin PSS too! You need to turn that stuff off as it can hold you back both on a qtr mile and on track. Are you using launch control?
 
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On track, your brakes will overheat quicker as the stability control will brake individual wheels to try and stabilise the car, so another good reason to keep esp and tc off

Sent from a mobile device, please forgive typos :)
 
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yeh I run without TC on
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nluk100 said:
That's odd? You don't get any power interruption with TC on?
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Still waking up are we nluk100 haha, to be fair it's not even 10 yet ;)

I've only recently got into turning ESP off when having a spirited drive, it does make a huge difference as it doesn't cut the power off! For normal driving and especially in the rain I'll leave it on, it will come off in the snow as well.
 
Ha ha, yes, my bad BUT ... there is TC and there is ESP on the S3, you need to press and hold it for longer to deactivate ESP. I still get a massive power cut with TC off but ESP still on so I have to turn both off with launch control (BTW, I have a custom S-Tronic map that allows launch in any mode without pressing any buttons).
 
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I'm fortunate in not running Audi's TC software now.....I found it interfered with the Quaife diff,and also was far too quick to cut in and start moving torque around etc.

The new software runs several levels of TC,and works by reducing torque,not by braking one or other wheels.
 
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Tuning a car for quarter mile tends to go like this,

Spend £XXXX on modifications and maps and you start to knock 1s, 0.5s off your times.
You then start to peak and plateau as the next stages of modifications, even more £XXXX, start to only take 0.1, 0.2s off your times.
Then you start getting into the realm of chassis setup, and very subtle modifications in order to shave 100s even 1000s of a second off your times.

Bottom line, the progression of quarter mile times has a positive logarithmic function.
I personally think you have to draw the line somewhere with what you're chasing. orrrrr you go full bore and build a purpose built drag car.
It's a crazy sport/hobby. Not one I intend to get suckered into myself.
 
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nluk100 said:
That's odd? You don't get any power interruption with TC on? I have to turn both TC and ESP off otherwise it kills the power as soon as it releases the clutch (I'm at stage 2+ too), and I am running Michelin PSS too! You need to turn that stuff off as it can hold you back both on a qtr mile and on track. Are you using launch control?
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I don't know haha i run without it on and yeh I use launch control! do you spin? and what times you running?
 
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Still waking up are we nluk100 haha, to be fair it's not even 10 yet ;)

I've only recently got into turning ESP off when having a spirited drive, it does make a huge difference as it doesn't cut the power off! For normal driving and especially in the rain I'll leave it on, it will come off in the snow as well.
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Are ESP and TC the same thing? when i hold down the button beside my hazard warning lights what am i turning off? ESP or TC?
 
Holding it for 1 sec or so turns off TC, holding it for 3-5 sec turns off ESP too.
 
Does the stage 2+ include an uprated intercooler ?
 
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Holding it for 1 sec or so turns off TC, holding it for 3-5 sec turns off ESP too.
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I haven't seen a definite answer for the pre-facelift, I know that what you've said is correct for the facelift. What messages do you get come up on the dash when doing both of the above? As no matter what I do, it just says ESP off.
 
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