S3 vs RS6, Evo, Subaru, Cosworth...

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jojo said:
He's not far from me in South Brum, nothing exciting to see, it looks like a standard Yellow S3 with standard 17" wheels with a pair of nice polished exhausts... that's it! I'm due for a ride or test drive soon, would be interested in exactly how much quicker it is over my AmD stage1 car?.
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Ahh, Its Imola Yellow - that explains it. Everyone knows they are the fastest ones.:moa:
 
Im near the west midlands, I might be tempted to come view this.
If I bring some water along do you reckon you could turn it into wine afterwards for me? :p
 
If I was the RS6 driver I would take my car back and get a refund!
 
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Anyone see that vid where the standard RS6 does a lap of the ring with 2 passengers in 8min 23secs??

1.8T S3 do it anywhere near that time.....don't think so!!
 
''Anyone see that vid where the standard RS6 does a lap of the ring with 2 passengers in 8min 23secs''

No I havn't, but if you have it or a link I would like to take a look - cheers
 
jojo said:
He's not far from me in South Brum, nothing exciting to see, it looks like a standard Yellow S3 with standard 17" wheels with a pair of nice polished exhausts... that's it! I'm due for a ride or test drive soon, would be interested in exactly how much quicker it is over my AmD stage1 car?.
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I'm guessing 0.1-0.2s faster depends how quick you change gear. if we ever set up the midlands meet proper that would be a good time to check out our cars in different states of tune
 
I'm not suggesting that the threadstarter is living in a land of fairytales, talking trees and happy little elves--but he could settle this quite easily by getting in his car with a stop watch, then timing how fast it takes him to get to 62mph.

If it's under 4.5 seconds, which it will really have to be, considering this s3 of his seemingly out-drags a space shuttle exiting earths upper atmosphere, then we'll know it's possible he can beat an rs6.

Of course, here on planet earth, where tress don't talk, and pixies don't come in your house and clean while you sleep, we know that a stock rs6 would eat a modded s3 for breakfast.
 
Cheers for the link to the Vid Robert - it was worth a watch - great V8 sound track as well.

Seeing as that RS6 over took that banana 911, & theres a S3 here that beat an RS6 - dose that mean my S3 is quicker than a 911 as well :think: :lmfao:
 
Ok fine, everybody is all talk here...

Bet your cars never see boost! This goes out to those that go on about fairytales/jackanory...

I was shocked myself, if you read my 1st post it does state that i didnt expect to beat it. Ok maybe got lucky on the head to head, but when we did the gap comparison on a straight with the RS6 infront i maintained the gap all the way upto approx 100mph. Just was shocked & obv chuffed. Why is everyone so protective over racing issues... members could have said maybe the RS6 aint running right etc.

As for the comment dropped by funkymofo have some respect with water & wine, some people on here have a religion & will be offended.

I feel my car is setup right, performance wise has a good setup. Just that FMIC needs 2 go on. Yes, the clutch is standard & may be on the way out so MTM paddle clutch soon...
 
I think your car seems well sorted and for what its worth I dont think you lied about beating an RS6.

 
mazzy said:
Bet your cars never see boost! This goes out to those that go on about fairytales/jackanory...
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Ahhh, the rage is setting in? My comments were only made from experience. I know exactly how much boost I get and when. 1.55bar on the K04, and 1.45bar on the GT28RS. Don't forget we all have the same basic car and same basic engine and modded to a similar level so most of us know how fast these things are. We just know that none of us could beat those cars so it seems surprising that running relatively mild boost you seem to have so much speed. I doubt I could beat any of them with my car as it is now. With the mods you've listed you should be getting a real 265bhp, and about 270lbs-ft. Dyno dependant. The only real way to prove things is with proper timing gear, otherwise it comes down to spool times, reaction times, etc. And real world performance is always best measured with a few good corners thrown in. What was that saying about power being nothing without control.....

I beat Glen's Porsche off the line when we went head to head. I had a car length on him. Then he decided to stop spinning his rears and start playing proplerly, I didn't stand a chance. My K04 S3 has also beaten an RS4 off the line and had a good two-three car lengths untill he stopped getting bogged down and hit boost. I've even embarrassed a Scooby UK300, but I'm the first to admit it's down to being in the right gear at the right time and driving right. Yet to have a good play with anything on the big turbo, other than an (supercharged) Integra Type-R which evenly matched me all the way into silly figures.
 
I have had an Escort cossie (270ish bhp) Evo6 (330bhp) and the S3 would not go any where near these cars. I have also had the Revo trial put on my S3 and it still did not pull like any of the above. As for the Evo6 and the RS6. I had a Rs6 from Audi for a day and in comparison to the Evo6 I think the Evo was quicker off the line but I think the RS6 would leave the EVO once they got going. Although I think the EVO would be a quicker car on the country lanes, lets face it anyone can drive a car fast in a straight line.
 
mazzy the numbers just don't add up. i'd be willing to sit with timing gear if your up for it
 
one test,santa pod.If you can break 14's you will be the first in a s3 on the standard turbo and i'll bet it will be sub 100mph terminal.
 
mazzy said:
Ok fine, everybody is all talk here...

Bet your cars never see boost! This goes out to those that go on about fairytales/jackanory...
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Well now...it's taken me a few days to reply to this...as I've only just been able to pick myself up off the floor after laughing so hard..

S3 beats RS6. Yes...and today Hell froze over, a huge amount of pigs just flew past my living room window...and today and in fact everyday of this month is a Sunday.

Not a chance...same story with some of the other cars quoted.

Mine was the fastest S3 I've ever driven with a standard turbo...and it could hardly stick with a well driven S4...and got embarassed big time by a RS6.

Import Imprezas were faster in a straight line too...


I was shocked myself, if you read my 1st post it does state that i didnt expect to beat it. Ok maybe got lucky on the head to head, but when we did the gap comparison on a straight with the RS6 infront i maintained the gap all the way upto approx 100mph. Just was shocked & obv chuffed.
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Was he only using 6th gear?
Did it have a flat tyre?
Or maybe he left the handbrake on?


Why is everyone so protective over racing issues... members could have said maybe the RS6 aint running right etc.
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Because it can be dangerous and racing tall stories and ******* competitions are a pointless waste of bandwidth....


As for the comment dropped by funkymofo have some respect with water & wine, some people on here have a religion & will be offended.
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Get a grip man!
Nothing wrong with a comment like that...it's a perfectly common expression.


I feel my car is setup right, performance wise has a good setup. Just that FMIC needs 2 go on. Yes, the clutch is standard & may be on the way out so MTM paddle clutch soon...
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And I think from expreience of S3s your car cannot be nearly as quick as you like to think..so perhaps you should stay off the perception altering drugs for a while?
 
Ryanc said:
one test,santa pod.If you can break 14's you will be the first in a s3 on the standard turbo and i'll bet it will be sub 100mph terminal.
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Have to take this one back,there is a guy who has done it with a 13.981@95.31mph using 16" wheels with slicks and jabba remap/exhaust/filter,with a stunning 1.8s 60ft.
 
Ess_Three said:
Import Imprezas were faster in a straight line too...

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Found that most uk/early imports run 14's. Well remapped sti's run similar to my times but then again i'm running a hybrid sti7 ra turbo.
Remapped evo's are a different class.
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Ryanc said:
Have to take this one back,there is a guy who has done it with a 13.981@95.31mph using 16" wheels with slicks and jabba remap/exhaust/filter,with a stunning 1.8s 60ft.
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I did a 13.714 standing 1/4 mile @ 174 km/h dated: 22/8/2006 at 14:27
Reaction time: 0.008

So its deffinately do-able. Comes down to:
Heat;
Fuel;
Launch;
Gear changes
which are matched up with driver.

However Ive had a go against a work mates 2003 RS6 and with the launch he couldnt touch me up to 60km/h. Thereafter it was an embarrassment as I was left in his dust.
 
I've got an A3 1.8t, and I can't believe what just happened..

You know the superhero, The flash? The guy with the red suit who runs at the speed of light? Ok good..

Well it must be that new optimax I put in, because I just raced him around the world and maintained the gap the whole time. Even over mountains and oceans. Once I get a FMIC in, NASA are going to buy it off me and use it to take the first men to mars.

Should do the 1/4billion mile in about 15s
 
All i can say is, after going out in an S6 for the majority of tonight, you must be ******* joking... My good friend has a played with s3, running about 260-280bhp and its got nothing on this s6...

Not even the same kind of league.

Your friends cars broken.
 
YX1010 said:
I did a 13.714 standing 1/4 mile @ 174 km/h dated: 22/8/2006 at 14:27
Reaction time: 0.008

So its deffinately do-able. Comes down to:
Heat;
Fuel;
Launch;
Gear changes
which are matched up with driver.

However Ive had a go against a work mates 2003 RS6 and with the launch he couldnt touch me up to 60km/h. Thereafter it was an embarrassment as I was left in his dust.
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Good time ,but i always use santa pod as a benchmark,reaction time does not matter as it is deducted.The track is quite slow and a few american guys i talk to from local airbases say it's about a second slower than in the states.
 
Jojo

If you do go for a spin check to see if it does 60mph in 2nd gear too as that claimed on another post!!
 
JamS3 said:
Jojo

If you do go for a spin check to see if it does 60mph in 2nd gear too as that claimed on another post!!
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Will see JoJo the weekend or friday night, hopefully my coilovers will be going on friday afternoon.

I know my S3 has a lot more torque than it did with the AmD stage 1. That is what makes a quick road car not loads of BHP!!
 
JamS3 said:
Jojo

If you do go for a spin check to see if it does 60mph in 2nd gear too as that claimed on another post!!
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LOL, I will test it out if I'm allowed, I know the rev limiter on my car, would be interesting to go past it in someone elses car haha. :eyebrows:

Friday's cool Maz, mmmm... coilovers aswell, could be my lucky day. :racer:
 
JamS3 said:
Jojo

If you do go for a spin check to see if it does 60mph in 2nd gear too as that claimed on another post!!
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And remembering that the Audi speedo's are about 3-4mph out at that point. A true 60mph is about 64mph on the clock, according to my Road Angel.
 
mazzy said:
Will see JoJo the weekend or friday night, hopefully my coilovers will be going on friday afternoon.

I know my S3 has a lot more torque than it did with the AmD stage 1. That is what makes a quick road car not loads of BHP!!
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lots of torque makes a good city car, lots of bhp makes a fast car
 
Having owned a 450bhp saff 4by4 and a 350bhp evo 6 I think you would have to have a seriously modded S3 to even get anywhere near to a either of the above.
 
Made great reading so far!

And great Vid, RS6 dam....
 
My old boss had an RS6 (amongst others) and i just can't see an S3 beating it, the RS6 should have handed you your @rse on a plate :asskicking:

If someone get hold of a fire extinguisher in the south birmingham area please pop over to Mazzy's and put his pants out.
 
dummi said:
lots of torque makes a good city car, lots of bhp makes a fast car
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IIRC, power will give you the ability to make the car go fast, as it can push the air out of the way and overcome drag. Torque is the ability to apply the power, otherwise known as acceleration. High torque, low power will let you accelerate to a certain point, untill the drag kicks in. Low torque, high power will give you a slower accelerating faster car.

Maybe he's all torque :whistle2:
 
300bhp Audi S3 vs 380bhp Ferrari 355

I dont care what any1 say's i aint claiming i whooped the RS6, i know its a quicker car but i know i maintained the gap up to a limit.


Explain this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORATLvOQ2Hc

Obviously the ferrari will get ahead at some point just like i would admit the rs6/Cossie/GT4 would!

I rest my case!!

JoJo see you friday nite! :) Yes, u can drive it! lol.
 
mazzy said:
300bhp Audi S3 vs 380bhp Ferrari 355

I dont care what any1 say's i aint claiming i whooped the RS6, i know its a quicker car but i know i maintained the gap up to a limit.
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Over what distance exactly?


mazzy said:
Explain this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORATLvOQ2Hc
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As you point out that's a 330bhp S3 and it's getting beat everytime, even when it jumps the starts, not even close to maintaining a gap. The 0-60 is near identical for both the 355 and RS6 (4.7 - 4.8 secs).

My S3 now has 330bhp and the difference over a remapped K04 is incredible.

Have a read of Glen's performance testing threads and you'll get an idea of some (but not all ;)) of the things he did to make his S3 so fast - it's down to a lot more than a remap and a few bolt-on goodies. If his car couldn't even keep up with an S4 then I'd really like to know what it is that's making your car so quick.
 
leecs3 said:
that audi is 70bhp up on yours, the ferrari is 2wd so could do a 0-60 in 10sec if the driver give it too much boot off the line. An RS6 is 70bhp up on the ferrari and has no problem putting the power down.
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Don't forget the power-to-weight issues, and the transmission losses. They're similar cars on paper
 
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