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Here's a facelift A3 Saloon with GB plates (honestjohn review), looks silver to me! I've ordered an A3 Saloon in this colour so I'm hoping mine looks the same!
Hmm. That colour looks stunning. ....aaaaaargh.
Here's a facelift A3 Saloon with GB plates (honestjohn review), looks silver to me! I've ordered an A3 Saloon in this colour so I'm hoping mine looks the same!
Don't be fooled by industry press photography Tango red is a extremely dark red,do you remember seeing the old Toyota Prius on the road when it first appeared well...? think...tango,if that's your thing fair playYup! That's the exact picture I saw yesterday, then called Audi to change my colour from Daytona Grey to Tango Red. Confirmation came through this morning.
I'd be amazed if they've "just guessed" these figures, given the $50bn costs they face from diesel-gate.I was watching a review on youtube that said the A3 FL would get a new 2.0l petrol engine, but have the old 6 speed S tronic. Yet when I look on the Audi configurator it says 7 speed S tronic.
Also, looking at the figures for the S3 FL - shows a significant improvement in both performance and fuel economy, with the 7 speed S tronic, over the manual.
Yet the A3 FL 2.0l FWD shows similar economy figures and performance figures. Though the quattro shows significant improvements in performance, but not fuel economy.
Have Audi not actually tested all their variants and just adjusted figures according to spec i.e. guessed? Or are they using a mix of wet and dry clutches. I can see that the diesel quattro S tronic is still saying 6 speed S tronic.
Anyone know where we can find the type of S tronic used in each variant?
Confusing.
Don't be fooled by industry press photography Tango red is a extremely dark red,do you remember seeing the old Toyota Prius on the road when it first appeared well...? think...tango,if that's your thing fair play
I'd be amazed if they've "just guessed" these figures, given the $50bn costs they face from diesel-gate.
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Indeed when I had my red head on I looked at a tango tt Looked a tad cherry red ..and it didn't bowl me over ! I d have chosen tango on these pics but not after seeing the tt.... All subjective I know and it is still a great red if it's red that you are after .... I may regret not ever owning a red car ...some red cars look wow some look meh and the meh has always irked me This pic is not a true representation of tango ... If only it wasDon't be fooled by industry press photography Tango red is a extremely dark red,do you remember seeing the old Toyota Prius on the road when it first appeared well...? think...tango,if that's your thing fair play
That, Sir, is the best post I have read in ages.I'd be amazed if they had any relevance at all to real life. $50bn costs or otherwise, this is the automotive sector we're talking about, historically lying ******** to a man, with morals lower than a snakes naughty bits. Diesel-gate is just the latest scandal in a history littered with deception.
I know everyone's keen to explore the minutia of the latest car, but the published figures from Audi are of almost no use in doing it.
The numbers they post are not comparable to real life. They are, in short, ********, and any conclusion you draw using them will also therefore be riddled with untruth and irrelevance.
Keep me updated if you don't mind. Huntingdon is one of my local dealerships as well so will be interested to go and take a look.
That, Sir, is the best post I have read in ages.
My wife and I, are really disappointed that her new A3 1.6L 105PS diesel was supposed to get 70+ mpg according to the official Audi figures and in real life she gets around 50 mpg. My 5 year old (Diesel-gate) Mk6 Golf GTD 2.0L 170PS often gets better fuel economy.
I live in hope (but will likely die in despair) that VAG will clean their act up in the future.
I was fully aware that 72mpg (IIRC) was la la land. Though strangely enough my (Diesel-gate) GTD is very close to the manufacturer's figures.Surely there is enough information out there by now for you to have taken published fuel consumption figures with a 'pinch of salt' and not be taken in. A simple search of the Internet would have revealed what real world mpg you could realistically be expected to see.
I'm not saying the manufactures figures are 'right' and there is certainly a need for a change in how they are calculated, but anyone who is taken in by them must be living in 'la la land'.
Just looking at the Honest John figures their quoted figure for my current A3 2.0TDI-184 s-tronic quattro is 48.4 where as my 20% less works out at 47.1 so quite close.You don't have to guess real world mpg at all, what car and honest john both publish figures you can expect to achieve...
That, Sir, is the best post I have read in ages.
My wife and I, are really disappointed that her new A3 1.6L 105PS diesel was supposed to get 70+ mpg according to the official Audi figures and in real life she gets around 50 mpg. My 5 year old (Diesel-gate) Mk6 Golf GTD 2.0L 170PS often gets better fuel economy.
I live in hope (but will likely die in despair) that VAG will clean their act up in the future.
An S3 could well be my next car, i'm in quite a dilemma over it - I love my Golf R - IMO a 5 door Golf looks better externally than a Sportback A3, but the S3 has far better looking seats (I like the R and S3's interior equally in all aspects except the seats, even though they are set out very differently). Can't believe they ditched Sepang on the facelift, Navarra Blue is far too dark for my tastes, I would probably have to go with Daytona Grey or Floret Silver. How inferior is the S3's handling compared to the R? Enough to detect on a daily basis or only noticeable it you ever took it to the track?
I feel a little cheated financially with the Golf R. When I ordered it, it had 60% GFV, then all the cheap lease deals came through and GFV has dropped to about 50%. I bought mine cash, so was only ever looking to GFV as an indicator as to what it would be worth when I get shot of it, and then VW took 8 months to build the ****** thing! At least the S3 still has noticeably better residual.
l take it you got your Golf R....EARLY...in its production?...the S3 optioned right has better private sale residuals,Chop into Audi.....no
I think you're the only person in the country to buy an Mk7 R outright!
I went to a VW dealer recently, someone was about to do the same until he heard about discounts and deals so he refused the car as he only just found out when the car was delivered!
The golf R...Lease madness was only based on very basic cars...ie DSG/3/5 door variants...OR WITH THE BASIC NAV there is buyers out there that will pay more for well optioned carsNot that Early...I ordered it in Sept 14 and it finally turned up May 15 - I think that was mainly due to the optioned 19" Pretoria wheels. I wouldn't normally spend £900 for bigger wheels as I found 18" big enough, but the R's standard 18" Caiz wheels are pig ugly. A lot of people who optioned Pretoria wheels had a longer wait. Meanwhile, the lease deals came in and VW were building those within 3 months.
I probably have to keep the R a fair bit longer to get the best price back selling privately, but considering how long delivery of an S3 would take if ordered now-ish, the Golf would be 18 months old on the S3's arrival. I will probably wait until I see a facelifted S3 in the flesh and by that point the Golf will be 2 years old by the time the new S3 would arrive - giving the R enough time to be cheap enough compared to a new one to be attractive to a used buyer.
Anyone considered taking the facelift S3 on lease? I do around 6-7k a year and not too fussed on adding any options with the exception of S Tronic and Daytona Grey finish and was given the below quote.
Audi S3 Sportback S Tronic
Metallic/pearl finish
2 years (8000 miles per year)
£976.47 initial payment
£325.49 per month
Works out paying 24% of the OTR to drive the car for 2 years which is probably less than the depreciation. Also includes road fund license for the duration which is another £370 saved.
Please be sure to post back on here once you get the car and have driven it for a few with your experienceOh and went full maintenance too as it was only about £10 a month
Average MPG on a S3...32mpg..........after 9k miles, prior to this mileage expect low...20's....diesel engines are on there way oot...Hybrid will be the way forward,why derv ever got through the stringent emission EU LAWS was BEYOND ME...but we all know now....derv engines will be filtered down and down....in the next 5 years and about time aswell
The golf R...Lease madness was only based on very basic cars...ie DSG/3/5 door variants...OR WITH THE BASIC NAV there is buyers out there that will pay more for well optioned cars
... the Golf will have to get this!The new 7 speed unit on the facelifted S3 makes it a more tempting proposition though with significantly lower CO2 and noticeably better 0-62 times and fuel economy.
What type of engine will they use to power lorries and buses when diesels are banned?Yup, it seems there will come a point in the very very near future, when diesels will be banned. Moves are already afoot across the channel to do just that, and people I know in London are lobbying very hard to remove them from this fine old city too. Paris has just banned any car registered before 1997 from the city between 0800 and 2000 mon to fri. This can be seen as a move to placate the automakers, who will inevitably be rather cross when Paris follows up with a ban on diesel or perhaps even all fossil fuelled vehicles in the next few years. The Supreme Court in Delhi has banned the sale of diesels over 2000cc, the Netherlands wants to get rid of diesel and petrol cars by 2025, and Norway is well advanced to doing exactly that, since a quarter of new cars sold there are now electric. Ironic really, since Norway is one of the principle suppliers of fossil fuels to the uk...
The fossil fuelled car will be a historical anachronism within our lifetime, and diesel will inevitably go first. If you have one when the ban lands, you're going to be very very glad of VWFS' guaranteed final value, since it's going to be worth bigger all on the used market.
This is a solid point.. The electric car is only as eco friendly as the fuel used to make its electricityWhat type of engine will they use to power lorries and buses when diesels are banned?
So far no-one has come up with a really suitable alternative but I read at the weekend in the Audi Driver magazine that VAG are committed to the development of battery technology and pointed out that the company will need 150 gigawatt hours of battery capacity by 2025 for its own fleet alone which is a whole lot of electricity. How will this electricity be generated, coal, gas, nuclear, wind. If all the lorries and buses as well as all the cars in the UK alone are powered by electricity where will the electricity come from?
Most new diesel engined Audi cars except the A3 range now use AdBlue which, according to an article in the same magazine, converts the NOx into the natural harmless substances of nitrogen and water vapour. I assume the next A3 will also have this technology fitted. Ad Blue is already used in almost all new diesel engine lorries and buses. Perhaps Audi are adding it to the new A3-TDI-184 engine which is why it is the only one in the facelift range no yet released.
I'm sure all the different technologies will develop further to allow fossil fuels to be used along side electric cars for some time to come especially until we have the capacity to generate enough electricity for all uses.
What type of engine will they use to power lorries and buses when diesels are banned?
So far no-one has come up with a really suitable alternative but I read at the weekend in the Audi Driver magazine that VAG are committed to the development of battery technology and pointed out that the company will need 150 gigawatt hours of battery capacity by 2025 for its own fleet alone which is a whole lot of electricity. How will this electricity be generated, coal, gas, nuclear, wind. If all the lorries and buses as well as all the cars in the UK alone are powered by electricity where will the electricity come from?
Most new diesel engined Audi cars except the A3 range now use AdBlue which, according to an article in the same magazine, converts the NOx into the natural harmless substances of nitrogen and water vapour. I assume the next A3 will also have this technology fitted. Ad Blue is already used in almost all new diesel engine lorries and buses. Perhaps Audi are adding it to the new A3-TDI-184 engine which is why it is the only one in the facelift range no yet released.
I'm sure all the different technologies will develop further to allow fossil fuels to be used along side electric cars for some time to come especially until we have the capacity to generate enough electricity for all uses.
What type of engine will they use to power lorries and buses when diesels are banned?
So far no-one has come up with a really suitable alternative but I read at the weekend in the Audi Driver magazine that VAG are committed to the development of battery technology and pointed out that the company will need 150 gigawatt hours of battery capacity by 2025 for its own fleet alone which is a whole lot of electricity. How will this electricity be generated, coal, gas, nuclear, wind. If all the lorries and buses as well as all the cars in the UK alone are powered by electricity where will the electricity come from?
Most new diesel engined Audi cars except the A3 range now use AdBlue which, according to an article in the same magazine, converts the NOx into the natural harmless substances of nitrogen and water vapour. I assume the next A3 will also have this technology fitted. Ad Blue is already used in almost all new diesel engine lorries and buses. Perhaps Audi are adding it to the new A3-TDI-184 engine which is why it is the only one in the facelift range no yet released.
I'm sure all the different technologies will develop further to allow fossil fuels to be used along side electric cars for some time to come especially until we have the capacity to generate enough electricity for all uses.
Good point. The Mk6 had this issue too. I'll have to remember this when making my decision.Daz: Worst thing about performance VWs is the poor choice of tyres. Bridgestones are the bane of the GTD/GTI for lack of initial traction issues causing tramping. Having Bridgestones on my GTD absolutely ruined it...
I'm going to have to see this colour first hand. My wife has a red A3 and the car really suits that colour.Yeah I know, I popped into Audi yesterday and saw the A4 in Tango Red out in the rain, looked nice enough in British overcast skies so I figured it would be a good choice. I love Daytona grey but I feel I should hold onto my youth a little longer with flashy red! Has the swatches for Tango Red and misano red, Tango is definitely a little darker but seems to have more speckle, considering its a metallic colour vs a pearlescent.
Well, some buses in London have been using hydrogen fuel cells for a few years, although these are probably not quite so effective as the trolleybuses that worked London from the '30's to the '60's, which drew electricity direct from the grid via overhead wires. Diesel for heavy transport probably has a good few years left in it, but I think it's days are numbered in private cars.
150 GWh of electricity really isn't that much in the grand scheme of things. It's 2 weeks of output from a single gas turbine, and the London array wind farm in the Thames Estuary produced nearly three times that amount in one month. Producing the power centrally does have benefits, since its far more efficient, and with a decent overnight base load it would become even more so since there would be no need to start and stop the plants quite so often. Renewable energy is growing and growing, over the last year wind power has at times provided upwards of a quarter of the UK's power, meaning conventional plants have sat idle, waiting for the days and nights when solar won't work and there's no wind blowing. There's over 8 GW of solar generation on the system now so there's a lot of generator units sitting idle at times that could be doing something more useful instead, staying hot, and powering cars instead, which has got to be better than a nation of car owners carting around thousands upon thousands of gallons of distilled pis5 to squirt into their exhausts.