Facelift No 'Drift Mode' For 2017 S3

The new A4 'Quattro with Ultra' system proves just how far down the priority list fun is for current Audi, and also shows how Quattro has become a millstone that's dragging them backwards.

With the S3 though I think there may be more truth in Audi not wanting to pay to license the required (heavily patented) GKN twinster rear axle from 'der Englunders'.

GKN, based in the U.K., came up with a 'diff-less' rear axle for focus RS and the Range Rover Evoque. The Evoque uses the system to vector torque from one side of the car to other, using a torque transfer clutch on each rear driveshaft (as opposed to the S3's single clutch on the rear diff input). Not only does this do away with the need for a rear diff, but it allows active control over how much power goes to where, allowing total torque vectoring and all sorts of other capabilities not possible with Audi's system. In the Evoque this allows very impressive rock climbing and mud plugging and with the capability to disconnect the propshaft entirely from the rear axle, and (via an additional clutch from the transfer box at the front), they get the all important fuel efficiency gains. In the Focus RS, it does something altogether more... ...entertaining.

Quattro ultra in the A4 is the future direction of mainstream Audi, and probably tells you all you need to know about how Audi is now lumbered with Quattro rather than celebrating it like Range Rover and Ford. The system is 100% front wheel drive almost all the time, because that's the cheapest way to get the economy up and the emissions down. Of course with utilisation ratios of only 20% in the hands of testers from CAR magazine, it's also a tacit admission that AWD is utterly pointless most of the time. This is something Audi have long known, despite dining out on images of the yellow and white rally cars that made "Quattro" so desirable 30 odd years ago.

Problem is you can't compete with the other premium Germans with front wheel drive cars, and since most of the VAG chassis that Audi use are front drive biased they 'need' the added complexity of bolt on AWD to be perceived as peers to Mercedes and BMW. The buying public would probably now accept a rear drive chassis from Audi, but a front drive A8 or S model? No way.

So Quattro, for a while at least, probably won't be a big priority for Audi. They have to fit it to stay relevant and play in the same ball pit as the other big boys, but right now they need it to be ecomomical more than they need it to be good. Our only hope is that some petrolheads in Audi-sport share the madness and sense of fun they have at Ford made them wonder would would happen if they fitted a GKN axle to one end of a focus, a Mazda MPS lump to the other, and turned the GKN controller up to eleven...

"Oh look, it goes really sideways!"
 
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2017 does get the quattro changeable modes, dynamic runs more split to the rear all-time for more rear biased feel (from audi design engineer in YouTube video)
 
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Not sure I've ever thought "ooh, I wish this went more sideways"?
I like a good hard drive cross-country as much as the next petrolhead, and for me stringing a series of low, medium and high-speed corners together cleanly and smoothly is far more rewarding than getting it sideways off the occasional roundabout.
Plus with my ESP on Sport mode and my current set of mods, I can kick the *** out occasionally if I fancy it. So no, IMO, "Drift Mode" is unnnecessary unless you like to frequent McDonald's car parks late into the night with your mates showing off to 14-year old girls.
 
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"So easy your gran could do it" apparently...
 
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The new A4 'Quattro with Ultra' system proves just how far down the priority list fun is for current Audi, and also shows how Quattro has become a millstone that's dragging them backwards.

With the S3 though I think there may be more truth in Audi not wanting to pay to license the required (heavily patented) GKN twinster rear axle from 'der Englunders'.

GKN, based in the U.K., came up with a 'diff-less' rear axle for focus RS and the Range Rover Evoque. The Evoque uses the system to vector torque from one side of the car to other, using a torque transfer clutch on each rear driveshaft (as opposed to the S3's single clutch on the rear diff input). Not only does this do away with the need for a rear diff, but it allows active control over how much power goes to where, allowing total torque vectoring and all sorts of other capabilities not possible with Audi's system. In the Evoque this allows very impressive rock climbing and mud plugging and with the capability to disconnect the propshaft entirely from the rear axle, and (via an additional clutch from the transfer box at the front), they get the all important fuel efficiency gains. In the Focus RS, it does something altogether more... ...entertaining.

Quattro ultra in the A4 is the future direction of mainstream Audi, and probably tells you all you need to know about how Audi is now lumbered with Quattro rather than celebrating it like Range Rover and Ford. The system is 100% front wheel drive almost all the time, because that's the cheapest way to get the economy up and the emissions down. Of course with utilisation ratios of only 20% in the hands of testers from CAR magazine, it's also a tacit admission that AWD is utterly pointless most of the time. This is something Audi have long known, despite dining out on images of the yellow and white rally cars that made "Quattro" so desirable 30 odd years ago.

Problem is you can't compete with the other premium Germans with front wheel drive cars, and since most of the VAG chassis that Audi use are front drive biased they 'need' the added complexity of bolt on AWD to be perceived as peers to Mercedes and BMW. The buying public would probably now accept a rear drive chassis from Audi, but a front drive A8 or S model? No way.

So Quattro, for a while at least, probably won't be a big priority for Audi. They have to fit it to stay relevant and play in the same ball pit as the other big boys, but right now they need it to be ecomomical more than they need it to be good. Our only hope is that some petrolheads in Audi-sport share the madness and sense of fun they have at Ford made them wonder would would happen if they fitted a GKN axle to one end of a focus, a Mazda MPS lump to the other, and turned the GKN controller up to eleven...

"Oh look, it goes really sideways!"
:sign wow: Knowledge is power :respekt:
 
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Drifting not cool ? ;) :D

 
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I agree BH, the only drifting I like is "off" on the sofa when the wife's watching soaps
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I'm not sure exactly but hasn't the faceLift s3 gained a rear diff or torque vectoring system of some sort that can now send all the torque to the rear? That surely must help it get a little sideways more easier?
 
I'm not sure exactly but hasn't the faceLift s3 gained a rear diff or torque vectoring system of some sort that can now send all the torque to the rear? That surely must help it get a little sideways more easier?
It's the same system as the facelift car, but with slightly different software controlling it. Torque Vectoring, if any, will be via braking individual wheels, a technique that is neither as efficient nor as effective as what Ford & JLR can do with the GKN setup.
 
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that video looks like more too fast, no talent and understeer .

any kind of electric "RWD" mode, sounds pathetic and i cant see it being fully functional.
 
that video looks like more too fast, no talent and understeer .

any kind of electric "RWD" mode, sounds pathetic and i cant see it being fully functional.
It's not electric though. Its still a very mechanical system.

For electric all wheel drive, see Tesla Model S, which is very very functional.

For electric rear axles on front drive chassis, see the Volvo XC90 which has a GKN eAxle on the back end. Or flip it around, put the eAxle at the front, and you have a BMW i8.

Electric cars are now our (very) near future, and with the kind of near instantaneous control on torque and speed control available from them, they're quickly going to make cars like the S3 look very silly. Already owners are willing to forgo the involvement of a manual gearchange to knock an extra half second off the totally irrelevant 0-60 dash, so how many owners will forgo the internal combustion engine for 2000NM of torque at each axle, at a standstill?
 
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Reckon there's more than just you on this forum who like this sort of drifting...lol
Definitely, it's the perfect opportunity to get a few winks :sleeping:. Plus, as of all us mere mortals on here, the other half is ALWAYS the boss and they command the remote control.
I know my place pburv :crying:
 
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Definitely, it's the perfect opportunity to get a few winks :sleeping:. Plus, as of all us mere mortals on here, the other half is ALWAYS the boss and they command the remote control.
I know my place pburv :crying:
Remote control ! What's that?...lol:whistle2:
Between the missus and my 6 year old son I'm lucky if I get to touch the remote control at all..:scared2:
 
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Remote control ! What's that?...lol:whistle2:
Between the missus and my 6 year old son I'm lucky if I get to touch the remote control at all..:scared2:
Haha, I'm number 5 in the pecking order behind the wife, daughter and two dogs, BUT, when the wife's out, daughters at school and dogs are in the back garden I AM the boss and I revel in it, the remote control is all mine :rockwoot:
 
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Haha, I'm number 5 in the pecking order behind the wife, daughter and two dogs, BUT, when the wife's out, daughters at school and dogs are in the back garden I AM the boss and I revel in it, the remote control is all mine :rockwoot:
Lucky ******!...lol
 
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has anybody tried the dynamic mode on the quattro function and seen if it makes any difference at all! would be great to know??
 
has anybody tried the dynamic mode on the quattro function and seen if it makes any difference at all! would be great to know??
Yes, hard to tell any real difference between comfort and auto, but the engagement and disengagement of the rear driveline is quite abrupt and not particularly subtle in dynamic mode. It'd be interesting to put a data logger on the coupling and see what it's up to.
 
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