S3 Wheel Spin..
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Aint it time for you to be getting rid rid of your Haldex/non Torsen A3 mate...surely it could be done slipping into something else after nearly 2 years
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Why did you buy or have one(a car if you are confused as to what) with Haldex if you think it,s Sh**e?
Yep.
Change coming up
You better not get another S3 MATE...YE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO.....live with that one on here...lol
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It won't be another S3. Nor a RS3. .
This is my second (8P, 8V). I enjoyed the 8P, not the 8V.
The other marques have moved on further/better now, for sheer enjoyment, engagement, handling and driver reward, there are better choices out there. And I think you know that
This is my second (8P, 8V). I enjoyed the 8P, not the 8V.
The other marques have moved on further/better now, for sheer enjoyment, engagement, handling and driver reward, there are better choices out there. And I think you know that
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It won't be another S3. Nor a RS3. .
This is my second (8P, 8V). I enjoyed the 8P, not the 8V.
The other marques have moved on further/better now, for sheer enjoyment, engagement, handling and driver reward, there are better choices out there. And I think you know that
So what's it gonna be then V8?
Haldex is *****, it's a compromise for transverse engined cars.
If Audi (or anyone else) had the choice to fit something else, they would.
This is why the Focus RS is such a game changer. It's the first transverse engined car that doesn't use Haldex, which in turn doesn't corrupt or compromise the drivetrain and handling.
If Audi (or anyone else) had the choice to fit something else, they would.
This is why the Focus RS is such a game changer. It's the first transverse engined car that doesn't use Haldex, which in turn doesn't corrupt or compromise the drivetrain and handling.
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The 4wd system is very basic compared to some systems but it works well overall. I've had a few evo 8s and yes the 4wd system is amazing but the fuel economy and service prices suffer massively for it. S3 for me is a perfect balance of everything I want in a daily driver
The other annoying thing is that some other manufacturers manage to make Haldex work better in their cars, eg the A45 has a front LSD that just works amazingly well in conjunction with Haldex. It takes the sting out of the compromised Haldex system. And the results can clearly be seen around bends, corners or a track.
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Won't you miss the quality debate over on the Ford forum's though?? I hear some of them can't spell their own name!!
He wont go Focus RS unless he put his name down for one yonks ago...a years wait now...must be that thing with the lpad on the dash....with the uber Chintzy...interior....think its germin aswell...lol
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CLOSE mate.....being serious for a moment Veeeight has got135i/ 235i written all over himself...lol maniacs car
Not true, if I order one it will be here for late summer........................... and don't keep knocking one of the most knowledgable people on here. If he jumps ship I'm sure this will be a considerably poorer place.
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There's nothing malicious in it whatsoever Steeve, and V8 is perfectly capable of dishing it as well as taking it! He is a valuable member, agreed.
Haldex ? Whats that ? 
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(Gets coat & leaves room, quickly ...
)I have an RS4 B7 with Torsen and S3 8V (Manual) with Haldex. I alway get a quick spin of the fronts on a rapid take off on the S3 when the roads are wet or gravelly. With the Torsen you already have 60% of the power on the rears so it just grips unless you're on snow/icy and all four wheels spin.
^ Good comparison.
There is a lot of Haldex marketing talk of being able to "transfer 100% of the torque to the rear" - but in reality this is just marketing BS - the only situations that this is going to happen, is if the front of the car is suspended in the air while the rears are on the ground, or, if your front wheels are on a ice skating rink, while your rear wheels are on grippy tarmac!
And with the 8V Gen 5 Haldex, the deletion of the accumulator reservoir means that the rears are not going to engage immediately. There is a whole load of unhappy Swedes on the Volvo forums, when they introduced Gen 5 instead of Gen 4.
There is a lot of Haldex marketing talk of being able to "transfer 100% of the torque to the rear" - but in reality this is just marketing BS - the only situations that this is going to happen, is if the front of the car is suspended in the air while the rears are on the ground, or, if your front wheels are on a ice skating rink, while your rear wheels are on grippy tarmac!
And with the 8V Gen 5 Haldex, the deletion of the accumulator reservoir means that the rears are not going to engage immediately. There is a whole load of unhappy Swedes on the Volvo forums, when they introduced Gen 5 instead of Gen 4.
I never put you down as a ford man, you are full of surprises but could you live with that cabin? I had a mk3 titanium x for two and a half years but the front speaker and dashboard rattle, also the easily scratched cabin plastics, got to me, it was only compensated by how much fun it was to drive compared to the a3.
My current S3 8V has more buzzing panels and rattles than Mothercare, so it can't get much worse.
We all have different priorities when looking at cars, mine is how it drives, handles, rewards and responds to subtle driver inputs. I really couldn't care less about interiors or exteriors, or mono.pur or dynamic indicators
As for scratchy plastics - I defy anyone to run their fingernails along their door bins, then come back on here and tell me it's high quality plastic
We all have different priorities when looking at cars, mine is how it drives, handles, rewards and responds to subtle driver inputs. I really couldn't care less about interiors or exteriors, or mono.pur or dynamic indicators
As for scratchy plastics - I defy anyone to run their fingernails along their door bins, then come back on here and tell me it's high quality plastic
Point taken, but you clearly have a bad one mate, and whatever you want to say to bitch about the S3, build quality will **** all over any Ford. Especially plastics. At the end of the day plastic is plastic, but Audi ones are far better quality.My current S3 8V has more buzzing panels and rattles than Mothercare, so it can't get much worse.
We all have different priorities when looking at cars, mine is how it drives, handles, rewards and responds to subtle driver inputs. I really couldn't care less about interiors or exteriors, or mono.pur or dynamic indicators
As for scratchy plastics - I defy anyone to run their fingernails along their door bins, then come back on here and tell me it's high quality plastic
We have a load of Focus' (Focii?!) at work and I can drive in, park my car up, and jump straight in one. Quality and feel is no comparison. And they're all knackered inside even though the mileage isn't too mega!
Having said that, like you I'd pass up soft touch and fancy heater vents if the Focus is that much more fun than an S3.
Bear in mind I find mine a hoot!
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My current S3 8V has more buzzing panels and rattles than Mothercare, so it can't get much worse.
We all have different priorities when looking at cars, mine is how it drives, handles, rewards and responds to subtle driver inputs. I really couldn't care less about interiors or exteriors, or mono.pur or dynamic indicators
As for scratchy plastics - I defy anyone to run their fingernails along their door bins, then come back on here and tell me it's high quality plastic
I don't want to ruin my nail polish!
They're much better that the hard dashboard and centre console plastics found on the Ford though, have you sat in one? But the A3's handling is the only thing that puts me off the 8v, sure the saloon is a fantastic looking car and the interior design, to look at, is second to none. Ok it is better than most Audi's I've driven but it's lacking in feedback information from the pedals and the steering compared to the focus, and having s-tronic would only make it feel worse..My current S3 8V has more buzzing panels and rattles than Mothercare, so it can't get much worse.
We all have different priorities when looking at cars, mine is how it drives, handles, rewards and responds to subtle driver inputs. I really couldn't care less about interiors or exteriors, or mono.pur or dynamic indicators
As for scratchy plastics - I defy anyone to run their fingernails along their door bins, then come back on here and tell me it's high quality plastic
Yep agreed on the handling, suspension and steering woes on the 8V.
If you're only ever driven VW Audi group products, you'll never know anything different though. Plus, the Focus RS has a proper handbrake
As for plastics... it amazes me to this day, the styling intent behind the 2 obvious differences between textures in the plastic in a very visible area, the centre console in the 8V.
The area surrounding the cupholders, there is a beautiful grain, that hides finger marks, scratches etc,
Then right next to it, is exactly the same plastic, but with no surface graiining or texture - which picks up all the finger marks, scratches etc., surrounding the gear lever, MMI and EPB switches.
Would have been much better to carry on the grain throughout that section.
Bizarre.
If you're only ever driven VW Audi group products, you'll never know anything different though. Plus, the Focus RS has a proper handbrake
As for plastics... it amazes me to this day, the styling intent behind the 2 obvious differences between textures in the plastic in a very visible area, the centre console in the 8V.
The area surrounding the cupholders, there is a beautiful grain, that hides finger marks, scratches etc,
Then right next to it, is exactly the same plastic, but with no surface graiining or texture - which picks up all the finger marks, scratches etc., surrounding the gear lever, MMI and EPB switches.
Would have been much better to carry on the grain throughout that section.
Bizarre.
I often wonder if the selling point of an audi is just its interior. Save money and get an a3 rather than the s. It amazes me the amount of people when spending a good chunk on a car are happy with a so so car as long as the cabin is ' premium' built (which i have found to be a little overhyped)
Going forward, Audi have announced (at the launch of the new A4) that they are going to concentrate on Driver Tech (e.g.: assists) and Connectivity, at the expense of being a "Driver's Car"......
Obviously, there are going to be exceptions (e.g.: R8), but these will be in the minority, so yes, look forward to more "Premium Cabin" launches with Driver Tech, Assists and Connectivity focussed cars.
Obviously, there are going to be exceptions (e.g.: R8), but these will be in the minority, so yes, look forward to more "Premium Cabin" launches with Driver Tech, Assists and Connectivity focussed cars.
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I'd like to think most of us have a wee bit more intelligence than to buy a car solely for the interior!! lol
As for buying an A3 to save money, yeah I know I could but I wanted an S3
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I was always wondering why they did
the two-tone finish on the console. I think it would have
looked better with the one grain.
the two-tone finish on the console. I think it would have
looked better with the one grain.
The other bit they didn't quite manage to match, is the infill panel for the MMI Screen.
It's a different shade of Black!
It's a different shade of Black!
For what it's worth my A3's front wheels always spin, though probably because I overinflated them and haven't reduced them...oops.
Personally I prefer a nicer interior since that's all me and other passengers will ever experience when we're stuck in traffic. The feel of the A3 is nice - sharp steering IMO. In a busy built-up area or city I rarely go above 50, and if I do it's on a boring motorway. When I rarely get to a nice, wide, high speed country lane I end up (sods law) behind a caravan.
In the next 6 months, all going well, I have to ditch the A3 as it's a company car (sad times). But then I'll be looking at an M135 or S3 (good times)...will probably go S3 Sportback since it's a good all-rounder. Not sure I'll ever take full advantage of 4WD, nor will I need to turn a corner on my local high street at 70mph with no understeer. So I'll probably be alright with an S3.
And I'm already decided I'm going Sepan...Daytona Grey.
Personally I prefer a nicer interior since that's all me and other passengers will ever experience when we're stuck in traffic. The feel of the A3 is nice - sharp steering IMO. In a busy built-up area or city I rarely go above 50, and if I do it's on a boring motorway. When I rarely get to a nice, wide, high speed country lane I end up (sods law) behind a caravan.
In the next 6 months, all going well, I have to ditch the A3 as it's a company car (sad times). But then I'll be looking at an M135 or S3 (good times)...will probably go S3 Sportback since it's a good all-rounder. Not sure I'll ever take full advantage of 4WD, nor will I need to turn a corner on my local high street at 70mph with no understeer. So I'll probably be alright with an S3.
And I'm already decided I'm going Sepan...Daytona Grey.
this happens to me usually not long after starting the car which i think because its on conti's which are hard wearing tyres and take a while to warm up. my m3s used to step out when cold with conti all the time. once theyre warmed up theyre good but take some time. otherwise i dont feel its the car. pilot super sports or dunlops for me
I looked into the unhappy Swedes and came up with nothing. The Swedish text gave me nothing. There was a video which showed one car better than the other. I have seen similar videos on the internet and get the impression that it is the tires that are being compared, not the Haldex, or AWD.
I did find an internet forum in the US which had several Volvo owners trying to find evidence of problems with the Gen 5 Haldex. They found nothing. One owner compared his Gen 5 car with the same Winter tires that he used on his Gen 4 Volvo. In ice and snow - no difference.
only if its wet and I've floored it. depends what types and mode your running i suppose...How many of you guys experienced wheel spin in your S3's?
It has happened a couple of times to me now whilst pulling out of junctions in particular...
Had a few Quattro cars now and from recollection none of them gave me issues of wheel spin..
Forgive me if this has been covered in other posts...ps
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Perhaps you were looking up vegetables instead of Volvo's
At the time of the launch of Gen5 Haldex (2012/13), the noise was deafening because of the lack of "instant traction" of Gen 5 compared to Gen 4. This is the case because there is no longer any pre-stored pressure (accumulator).
The pump and electrics are still made of chocolate though, I'm on my second pump failure!
Just back to interior plastics for a mo worse one for me was my 2013 Guilietta if you rubbed your hand along the tops of the door trim it would leave skin behind as the fine grain was like sandpaper also it had sink marks where ribs and other features were moulded on the B surface.
I think Fords have came a long way they just look busy.
I think Fords have came a long way they just look busy.
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I could probably live with the interior (begrudgingly after an Audi) if the exterior looks had something going for them......but for me they don't!!
God.... Skid marks has turned into the quality of interior plastics...***....as l have said before interior build quality between my focus and S3 is NOMINAL,its just that audi's overall design is far superior as is the interior dashboard lighting
