does anyone find the A3 a little boring ?

remmap won't help, mines already mapped, and the focus is a much more entertaining car than the A3 and why should a family car be boring, Ford can do it, VW are getting better ...

Leon made a valid point, its very much a `houses for courses` scenario. I ran a MONDEO TDCi company car for a few weeks and didnt find it exciting at all.
Used to drive my parents Mk1 Focus a while back and ditto.
Im not suggesting for one minute theyre not good cars, I just didnt find them exciting at all.
Coming from a string of hat hatches and small coupes maybe its no surprise?

cheers
Paul
 
At times i think i find it boring but then again i dont. And should be happy as its only my second car and been driving since january
Im happy with it just need to do a few mods and that be it and amused till next july when i get my new 2.0 TFSI. Got a long wait but be worth it in the end and gives me time to save :)
For the price i paid for my a3 i cant really moan wasnt high £8,750 with one owner i think a business man or some one who liked moving around as it was serviced in london and manchester and my home town cardiff.
 
For the price i paid for my a3 i cant really moan wasnt high £8,750 with one owner i think a business man or some one who liked moving around as it was serviced in london and manchester and my home town cardiff.

A criminal on the run :)
 
Leon made a valid point, its very much a `houses for courses` scenario. I ran a MONDEO TDCi company car for a few weeks and didnt find it exciting at all.
Used to drive my parents Mk1 Focus a while back and ditto.
Im not suggesting for one minute theyre not good cars, I just didnt find them exciting at all.
Coming from a string of hat hatches and small coupes maybe its no surprise?

cheers
Paul

but do you not find you can drive the focus quickly across country, the steering is great the brakes have more feel, the suspension works ... we went the back way to work this morning because of the road works and i struggled to keep up with a 207 1.4 .... mine is miles quicker but along a bumpy road you have to slow down for fear of being bounced off it ! we also have a ford puma that we have owned since new which is just over 8 years and its only now that i'm starting to consider its replacement, in fact if it goes I will probably cry, the audi won't bring tears to my eyes.
 
Interesting thread Steve. We've had our Sportback for nearly four years now, and while I'm not entirely bored of it, the appeal of owning an Audi has diminished over that time. Looking back through my car history, I always used to change every couple of years - sometimes less - but our 2.0TDI SE is still here. In the first couple of years I retrofitted an RNS-E, then 17s and had more plans for the car but I've lost interest.

My missus still loves it though and since it doesn't owe us anything, plus has been faultlessly reliable, it will still have a home with us until next year at least.
 
but do you not find you can drive the focus quickly across country, the steering is great the brakes have more feel, the suspension works ... we went the back way to work this morning because of the road works and i struggled to keep up with a 207 1.4 .... mine is miles quicker but along a bumpy road you have to slow down for fear of being bounced off it ! we also have a ford puma that we have owned since new which is just over 8 years and its only now that i'm starting to consider its replacement, in fact if it goes I will probably cry, the audi won't bring tears to my eyes.

To be fair I never took either car for a real hard back road workout.
I dont deny the FOCUS may be a competent car, you owned one long term so are in better position to make that judgement.
I can only say that the FOCUS didnt , and doesnt, excite me.

It sounds like you arent impressed by your A3s back road abilities. Did you not test drive one first?
I first started looking at changing to an A3 a while back and the general consensus was that the A3 wasnt an incredibly exciting car to drive, and this tends to be widely accepted.

Again, I havent driven any other 8P A3s, but in the end I decided to raid the piggy bank and go for an S3, which I am very happy with.

Cheers
Paul
 
I drove plenty and not for just 20 minutes, short term it was fine its just as time goes on I get bored with it ..
 
Just caught onto this thread but i'll give my opinion anyway!
I don't think it's the general driving experience of the A3/S3 which is boring, i think it's the styling which is almost too perfect. It's very very German to the point where it doesn't inspire any passion. You admire an Audi but you're not inspired by it. Even the RS6 and R8 fall into that catagory. The R8 is by all accounts almost too perfect and doesn't make your heart flutter on a spirited drive like a rear wheel drive 911 does.
If you drive an A3/S3 every day i think you start taking it for granted. I get bored stiff of mine until i drive another similar sized hatch (golf included) and i realise what a lovely car the A3 is. It honestly serves every purpose i need right now. It's quick, sure footed, more prestige than a Golf, lovely clean lines, great interior, 4WD, practical, reasonable insurance and relatively economical..... It just doesn't inspire me as a driver i suppose.
A mate of mine had an S3 and he thought it was the mutts nuts....Then he recently drove the new Evo X....His S3 is now up for sale. The S3 is a 'nicer' car in every respect but it doesn't really rank up there with REAL motorsport bread drivers cars (this is the opinion of an S3 owner, not me i might add!!).

My next car as my sig suggests will be another Audi, the TTS. I just love the Audi image and feel of prestige mixed with sporting heritage. No other manufacturer quite pulls it off so well in my humble opinion.
As much as i wish i had the balls to go for something outlandish and inspiring....I don't. So therefore like many i'll keep going for the safe Audi option!
 
I have a courtesy car at the minute, a new shape punto, its petrol and thats all I know about it

Drove it to work this morning and I want my A3 bad so badly!!! I have it for the rest of the week :(
 
I have a courtesy car at the minute, a new shape punto, its petrol and thats all I know about it

Drove it to work this morning and I want my A3 bad so badly!!! I have it for the rest of the week :(

I know what you're saying, i went on a day trip in my mates new Pug GTI. I know i know... it's a LOT cheaper than an A3 but quite rightly so. It felt god awful after my A3 and i was so relieved to get back into mine. It's the little things which you appreciate...Quality of fit and finish, texture of materials, switches, even the motion and sound of the electric windows. The Pug didn't seem to have any sound dampening in the doors whatsoever and felt like it was made of tin.

I still dislike the 1 series so realistically what is the alternative to an A3?....Anything? I think the Golf is a step down prestige and image wise and GTI's are 10-a-penny so i'm stumped!
 
Just caught onto this thread but i'll give my opinion anyway!
I don't think it's the general driving experience of the A3/S3 which is boring, i think it's the styling which is almost too perfect. It's very very German to the point where it doesn't inspire any passion. You admire an Audi but you're not inspired by it. Even the RS6 and R8 fall into that catagory. The R8 is by all accounts almost too perfect and doesn't make your heart flutter on a spirited drive like a rear wheel drive 911 does.
If you drive an A3/S3 every day i think you start taking it for granted. I get bored stiff of mine until i drive another similar sized hatch (golf included) and i realise what a lovely car the A3 is. It honestly serves every purpose i need right now. It's quick, sure footed, more prestige than a Golf, lovely clean lines, great interior, 4WD, practical, reasonable insurance and relatively economical..... It just doesn't inspire me as a driver i suppose.
A mate of mine had an S3 and he thought it was the mutts nuts....Then he recently drove the new Evo X....His S3 is now up for sale. The S3 is a 'nicer' car in every respect but it doesn't really rank up there with REAL motorsport bread drivers cars (this is the opinion of an S3 owner, not me i might add!!).

My next car as my sig suggests will be another Audi, the TTS. I just love the Audi image and feel of prestige mixed with sporting heritage. No other manufacturer quite pulls it off so well in my humble opinion.
As much as i wish i had the balls to go for something outlandish and inspiring....I don't. So therefore like many i'll keep going for the safe Audi option!
Very well put

Amen
 
I know what you're saying, i went on a day trip in my mates new Pug GTI. I know i know... it's a LOT cheaper than an A3 but quite rightly so. It felt god awful after my A3 and i was so relieved to get back into mine. It's the little things which you appreciate...Quality of fit and finish, texture of materials, switches, even the motion and sound of the electric windows. The Pug didn't seem to have any sound dampening in the doors whatsoever and felt like it was made of tin.

I still dislike the 1 series so realistically what is the alternative to an A3?....Anything? I think the Golf is a step down prestige and image wise and GTI's are 10-a-penny so i'm stumped!

This is where these threads tend to drift.
No-one's disputing an A3 will be better built than a Peugeot Gti.
But which one is the better driver's car?
Which one gives a sense of feeling connected to the road?
Which one has entertaining handling that reacts to driver input, instead of just giving varying degrees of safe but boring understeer?
I used to thrash the paps off my A3, regularly managing to beat or keep up with far faster motors, over twisty roads of course.
I used to call it a "chuck and hope" car though.
You chucked it into a corner hoping it would grip, because you got no actual feedback telling you.
I also got frustrated that it didn't reward sporty driving, in that it's the sort of car anyone can drive quickly.
There's no gain to be had by being a better driver than the next person.
That's no fun, to me.
I'm probably not significantly quicker, A to B, in my D3.
But I'm having more fun in the process.
 
This is where these threads tend to drift.
No-one's disputing an A3 will be better built than a Peugeot Gti.
But which one is the better driver's car?
Which one gives a sense of feeling connected to the road?
Which one has entertaining handling that reacts to driver input, instead of just giving varying degrees of safe but boring understeer?
I used to thrash the paps off my A3, regularly managing to beat or keep up with far faster motors, over twisty roads of course.
I used to call it a "chuck and hope" car though.
You chucked it into a corner hoping it would grip, because you got no actual feedback telling you.
I also got frustrated that it didn't reward sporty driving, in that it's the sort of car anyone can drive quickly.
There's no gain to be had by being a better driver than the next person.
That's no fun, to me.
I'm probably not significantly quicker, A to B, in my D3.
But I'm having more fun in the process.

No, fair enough Bowfer. The Pug may well be a more nimble and more connected driving experience....More bang to the buck definitely. But a worse 'machine' inside, outside and technically.
I know my post digressed from the original point somewhat but i was using this as an example to illustrate that yes, i get bored of my A3 but i learn to appreciate it far more once i've spent time in other cars. Including my ex girlfriend's Z4.
 
Does anyone find the A3 boring?

I certainly do! In fact I find it hard not to agree 100% with Bowfers comments. But as someone else has said, different people get different things out of a car. For me for example, I drive an A3 s-line 3.2 quattro and yes it is highly competant to the point where I can't fault it's practical ability, yes its powerfull and more than capable of outpacing 99% of cars on the road, but the numbness of the steering and the brakes totally ruins the driving experience. It totally takes out all of the fun of driving. It has no character or soul.

Let me put it another way, my wifes 1.5 TD 86bhp Renault Megane Estate offers a much more rewarding driving experience. It's not fast, there's nowhere near the same level of grip or the same level of toys to play with, but the handling is so much more precise and provides so much more feedback. You end up driving it so much closer to its limits that it never fails to please. It's also a lot more economical, practical and in my experience is a much better built car. Ok, the materials aren't the same quality but it certaily better screwed together. After 30k miles there isn't a single rattle, or squeak and nothing has broken. The audi however is the most unreliable car I've ever owned.
 
Let me put it another way, my wifes 1.5 TD 86bhp Renault Megane Estate offers a much more rewarding driving experience. It's not fast, there's nowhere near the same level of grip or the same level of toys to play with, but the handling is so much more precise and provides so much more feedback. You end up driving it so much closer to its limits that it never fails to please. It's also a lot more economical, practical and in my experience is a much better built car. Ok, the materials aren't the same quality but it certaily better screwed together. After 30k miles there isn't a single rattle, or squeak and nothing has broken. The audi however is the most unreliable car I've ever owned.

Very interesting, because this is exactly how I feel about my wife's 1.5TD (86bhp) Renault Clio!
Fantastic fun to drive with a superb balance of ride/handling.
It floats over awful roads, but it can still be chucked into bends without undue body roll.
It has grip that defies its puny wheel/tyre sizes too.

Like your wife's Megane, it has also been 100% reliable in its 2.5 years.
Not even a bulb has blown.
 
For the same reason Audi's don't have any 'character', they have an aggressive, cold, functional style about them which i love. If i wanted to have my heart set aflutter i'd buy an Alfa or whatever. But thats just not me.
I'm still waiting for someone to offer an alternative to the A3. There's only 1 car in the running really and thats the Alfa Brera if you want an exec 2 door with a bit of 'spirit' and 'character'.

If Audi ever make a car with charm and spirit, it just won't be an Audi anymore. When i look at an Audi i want it to look at me like it doesn't give a f**k (like arnie in terminator), not with a cheeky wink and a crafty smile. If you're criticising Audi for not making flambouyant cars you're missing the point a little because they never have.
I think the word is sterile, not necessarily boring.
 
With all due respect, why buy any A3 variant if they drive so poorly?

Indeed why on earth have the financial pain of buying and running an A3 at all if a Renault derv estate gives you more driver satisfaction?

The whole reliablilty/quality debate is another subject and think you would agree.....:lazy:

Paul
 
Indeed why on earth have the financial pain of buying and running an A3 at all if a Renault derv estate gives you more driver satisfaction?

It's a very valid point.
Every time I drive my wife's car I question my desire to own 'fancy' cars, when here is a thing that makes me grin, costs £20 a year roadtax (2009), is group three insurance and runs on fumes.

Yet I still go for 'fancy' cars every, single time.
It's just stupid male pride, or something, I don't know.:blush:
If legislation came into place that forced me to drive a small diesel though, I wouldn't complain one little bit.

With regard to whomever is asking "what else is there"
That depends on your criteria.
If you look for excuses to own an A3 (must have DSG/must be diesel/must be 3 doors/must be quattro/must be an Audi) then that's one thing.
But when spending £20k plus (very easily done on an A3) there are plenty of vehicles available.
When looking to replace my A3, I found myself looking at completely different types of car, so I found myself looking at SUV's etc.
I, like a lot of people, don't really have a preconceived idea of what my car must be like.
I'm open-minded, within my budget.
 
With all due respect, why buy any A3 variant if they drive so poorly?

Indeed why on earth have the financial pain of buying and running an A3 at all if a Renault derv estate gives you more driver satisfaction?

The whole reliablilty/quality debate is another subject and think you would agree.....:lazy:

Paul
Because there's more to ownership than driving pleasure. I for one get paid a car allowance by my employer and as such I am expected to have a car that matches my role. A Diesel Megane Estate wouldn't do that. There are other options I agree but at the time this seemed like the best one. Similarly, I probably would have another Audi at some point as it can do a certain job brilliantly, but I certainly wouldn't be making that decision based on the pleasure from driving it.

Don't get me wrong, the audi is a much nicer place to sit for the 80 miles I do every day, the stereo is excellent, the air conditioning perfect, the seats more comfortable and the sound insulation from the engine/road and wind is in another league compared to the megane, but that doesn't stop the megane being more enjoyable to drive.
 
I can see why people get bored with cars.
I had a Civic Type R which was a complete hoot to drive, but tiresome after a while.
It wasnt a boring car, I just got bored of it.

But if an A3 is a truly boring car to drive because of its poor dynamics, then it been that way since it rolled out of the factory.

So make sure you test drive one properly or it could be a very expensive, short, and boring ownership experience.

(PM me for more car buying advice:))

Paul
 
I can see why people get bored with cars.
But if an A3 is a truly boring car to drive because of its poor dynamics, then it been that way since it rolled out of the factory.

So make sure you test drive one properly or it could be a very expensive, short, and boring ownership experience.

Paul
Spot on :thumbsup:
 
But if an A3 is a truly boring car to drive because of its poor dynamics, then it been that way since it rolled out of the factory.

So make sure you test drive one properly or it could be a very expensive, short, and boring ownership experience.

I'm not so sure test drives, even extended ones, will show this up.
Unless you're incredibly sure of yourself (or a bit of a ****) you're not going to start giving a demonstrator the berries.
(When I say "you" I'm not, of course, referring to you specifically)
I know I wouldn't.
So it takes time, maybe weeks, to get to the point you think 'hang on...'
That's what happened with me and DSG.
For a while, I was dazzled by its 'shiny shiny'.
Then the shiny shiny wore off and I started questioning it.
You and your car is, effectively, a relationship.
It takes a while for you to realise that endearing little snort when she laughs does, in fact, sound like a horse with catarrh.
 
Because there's more to ownership than driving pleasure. I for one get paid a car allowance by my employer and as such I am expected to have a car that matches my role. A Diesel Megane Estate wouldn't do that. There are other options I agree but at the time this seemed like the best option. Similarly, I probably would have another Audi at some point as it can do a certain job brilliantly, but I certianly wouldn't be making that decision based on the pleasure from driving it.

Don't get me wrong, the audi is a much nicer place to sit for the 80 miles I do every day, the stereo is excellent, the air conditioning perfect, the seats more comfortable and the sound insulation from the engine/road and wind is in another league compared to the megane, but that doesn't stop the megane being more enjoyable to drive.

Fair point.
I too want more than just seat of the pants thrills, an EVO would have done this better than an S3. However I couldnt live with a car being `boring` regardless of how good its other attributes were.
Im sure at some stage I will be bored with the S3, but I would never call it a boring car.
Like its been said, horses for courses.

Paul
 
I'm not so sure test drives, even extended ones, will show this up.
Unless you're incredibly sure of yourself (or a bit of a ****) you're not going to start giving a demonstrator the berries.
(When I say "you" I'm not, of course, referring to you specifically)
I know I wouldn't.
So it takes time, maybe weeks, to get to the point you think 'hang on...'
That's what happened with me and DSG.
For a while, I was dazzled by its 'shiny shiny'.
Then the shiny shiny wore off and I started questioning it.
You and your car is, effectively, a relationship.
It takes a while for you to realise that endearing little snort when she laughs does, in fact, sound like a horse with catarrh.

Thankfully Ive not had this happen yet.
 
Fair point.
However I couldnt live with a car being `boring` regardless of how good its other attributes were.
Paul
And that's exactly why mine is now for sale.

My two previous cars were a modified VX220 and a modified VXR220, and I'm now coming to the conclusion that for driving pleasure they have set a benchmark that few other cars are likely to match, and any other "sporty" car is always subconsciously going to be compared to them and fail to match up. I'm therefore adopting the approach that if I buy a car for driving pleasure it has got to be as extreme as possible (e.g. radical, atom, caterham etc), otherwise I might as well go for something that is as practical as possible that excels in other areas. Something like a fast hatch is always going to be a compromise.

There are of course a few cars out there that manage both (RS4/6 Avant), M5 Touring etc, but they are way out of my price range so for now my circumstances dictate that the practical option wins, but in the future, should finances allow, it's pretty difficult to see how running a garage containing both an atom/R500 and a 3.0 TDI A6 Avant can be beaten in terms of ticking all the essential boxes.
 
This is where these threads tend to drift.
No-one's disputing an A3 will be better built than a Peugeot Gti.
.

Cough

sorry Bowfer, think you may have just forgotten your own experiences,

A crushed packet of crisps is better built than my A3, in fact, an empty crushed packet of crisps...........
 
With all due respect, why buy any A3 variant if they drive so poorly?

Indeed why on earth have the financial pain of buying and running an A3 at all if a Renault derv estate gives you more driver satisfaction?


Paul

to point 1 - I thought I could live with the dull lifeless steering and unnervingly hard ride,

To point 2 - its been a huge amount of pain, which makes point 1 more difficult to bear, if it were well built, or said something about me, then point 1 would be easier to swallow

what it says is some fool in Audi can charge me 24k for an utterly hopeless sack of odd shaped spanners

to be fair to it though, it fun trying to kill it
 
what it says is some fool in Audi can charge me 24k for an utterly hopeless sack of odd shaped spanners

to be fair to it though, it fun trying to kill it

But reading that I have to ask who "is" the fool in that scenario? :laugh:
 
And that's exactly why mine is now for sale.

My two previous cars were a modified VX220 and a modified VXR220, and I'm now coming to the conclusion that for driving pleasure they have set a benchmark that few other cars are likely to match, and any other "sporty" car is always subconsciously going to be compared to them and fail to match up. I'm therefore adopting the approach that if I buy a car for driving pleasure it has got to be as extreme as possible (e.g. radical, atom, caterham etc), otherwise I might as well go for something that is as practical as possible that excels in other areas. Something like a fast hatch is always going to be a compromise.

There are of course a few cars out there that manage both (RS4/6 Avant), M5 Touring etc, but they are way out of my price range so for now my circumstances dictate that the practical option wins, but in the future, should finances allow, it's pretty difficult to see how running a garage containing both an atom/R500 and a 3.0 TDI A6 Avant can be beaten in terms of ticking all the essential boxes.

Rich - interesting point - thankfully I've never been fortunate enough to have an uncompromised tarmac missile like a VX220/R.
For me the S3 ticks enough of the boxes for it to be my sole car - quick enough to make smile, handles well etc.
However, I can see the issue. I'd had my car just under 18 months (half its intended life) and I'll admit I started to get itchy feet entering the "what next" zone. But about £1200 later I had a remap giving probably 315-320bhp and better suspension (springs and ARB's). Now every time I go for a spiritted drive I'm smiling.
I have JonnyC to thank for the subtle mod's on my car and in my book, £1200 to make me fall in love with my motor again is a bargain really!
I don't regret the car in the slightest though, in fact i'd get another.
 
But reading that I have to ask who "is" the fool in that scenario? :laugh:

Obviously I am, I didn't manage to get them to sort things out, though quite why they make customers jump through so many hoops is beyond me, jeez, can't be that hard to build a decent car right?
 
Cough

sorry Bowfer, think you may have just forgotten your own experiences,

A crushed packet of crisps is better built than my A3, in fact, an empty crushed packet of crisps...........

Ok, Ok you had a bad experience, thats obvious,and we can empathise.

But do we really have to do the `AUDI is ****` thing again?

The thread title was, does anyone find the A3 a little boring ?
Which has in fact prompted some interesting views and responses.

cheers
Paul
 
I find the build & feel good factor great, the steering is acurate if lacking a little feel, I fancy a Clio 197 for some strange reason ?