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Been reading people's threads and a few things have popped up. So am wondering are these things worth it and what exactly are they haha.

Forge pcv delete plate

Gfb dv+

Forge turbo muffler pipe

Poweflex anti lift kit

Cam follower replacement kit

Also if there is a cheaper option than the APR delete kit for rear wiper?
 
I'm only aware of the cam follower problem on 2.0 tfsi engines, which can wear with not much mileage on the car. Symptoms are it sounds like a very noisy injector and is an easy change out.
Other items mentioned would not interest me unless i had problems with the original parts.
 
There's info about the rear wiper delete kit and where to buy from in my thread, click pic in signature to have a look
 
So the cam follower is well worth doing then. Will look into that
 
Cheers pal will have a look at your thread
 
A couple of those bits tie into other parts and there's a lot you can do, so I'll break it all down for you as a server is down at work so I've got some time to pass :grimacing: I've highlighted your specific points.

It all depends on what your budget is and your (current) goal, but going stage 2+ is the best bang for buck overall with your S3 and will see you get around 370-380bhp & 390-400lbs.

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Stage 1

  • Remap
No other parts are required at this stage, you can go for a generic map of which APR currently offer the best product. However, custom mapping is becoming more popular due to it being specific to your car and is definitely the way to go, especially if you're within a couple of hours of a reputable tuner such as R-Tech (Hinckley) or Unicorn (Stockport) who both have countless positive reviews on here.

Stage 1+
  • Remap
  • High Pressure Fuel Pump
This is a new stage introduced and tends to see higher figures then stage 2, this is because of the fueling upgrade which is what the + refers to.

You can go for either the Autotech HPFP internals or LOBA HPFP pump. Autotech is the cheaper option as it is just internals integrated with the original pump but you need to make sure it is put together by someone competent and in a clean environment, it's worth replacing replacing older seals on the original pump as well. LOBA is a complete pump replacement so no concern about old seals or environment, however you do pay a fair bit more for the privilege, they both perform identically.

Stage 2
  • Remap
  • Cold Air Intake
  • Turbo Back Exhaust
The Revo or ITG Maxogen CAI's are the two best kits available. Revo do two versions, powder coat or for another £100 ceramic coating, you can buy heat wrap for the powder coat version if don't want to spend the extra £100. You can get the VWR enclosed induction kit so there's less noise but this is only good up to stage 2.

The downpipe is the most restrictive part of the standard S3 exhaust system with the back box not being too much of a hindrance. If funds are tight then only a downpipe with a sports cat or de-cat (latter will fail MOT) is needed for stage 2 & stage 2+. BCS is the best manufacturer by a clean mile, everyone will tell you this so don't waste your money on a Miltek, speak to @BCS Nige for more information but their Powervalve system is the best one on the market.

Stage 2+
  • Remap
  • Cold Air Intake
  • Turbo Back Exhaust
  • High Pressure Fuel Pump
  • RS4 Fuel Pressure Return Valve
  • GFB DV+
  • Clutch & Flywheel (manual)
This stage is all of the stage 1+ and stage 2 hardware together along with the 2+ remap.

Some will argue that the RS4 FPRV isn't mandatory but it has been proven to help eliminate a flat spot around 5K on aggressive maps by maintaining 130bar throughout instead of reaching 130bar, then dropping to 128bar and climbing back up to 130bar again like the standard valve does, R-Tech also recommend getting it done and for the sake of £50 then there really is no reason not to.

You've got a 60 plate S3 and so it would've come with the Rev D DV. Whilst this is the latest OEM version and the piston design means it is a lot less likely to eventually break when running more power, it also holds the least amount of boost. Even though the older Rev G DV diaphragm design is prone to splitting after 10/20K miles at stage 2+, it holds boost better then then Rev D and so for the sake of £40 every couple of years it is worth getting over the Rev D. Saying that the newer 2013 revision of the GFB DV+ at £98 wins here as it uses the OEM housing (either Rev G or D) but replaces all of the weak materials with metal parts and it holds more boost for longer.


The manual S3 is a DMF setup of which slip is inevitable, how long it lasts depends on how the clutch has been previously treated and mileage. Sachs/Helix clutch & LUK DMF is a popular replacement to deal with the increased torque however there has been several cases on aggressive maps where these are failing, plus they're organic clutches so can't deal with launches. Hence why I've bought a Spec 2+ clutch & steel SMF myself as they're bulletproof, if stage 3 was on the cards for me then I'd have gone for the Spec 3+ version. I see you've got a DSG so no worry for you here, plus a lot of money saved too on not needing to uprate this part!

Above are the minimal requirements in order to get to a certain stage but they're all performance based modifications, whilst the rest of the internals on the S3 can safely withstand up to 440lbs, you ideally don't want to be driving around a stage 2+ S3 with stock suspension/handling and brakes as it could easily get ugly. Therefore you should seriously consider the following as well.

Worth Doing
  • Big Brake Kit
  • Anti Roll Bars (Front & Rear)
  • Anti Lift Kit
  • Coilovers
  • DSG Map
Brakes are important as those corners and vehicles are going to be coming up a hell of a lot quicker and you'll want to be able to brake safely. A BBK is crucial for track use as well otherwise the standard discs will warp etc. There are a few options you can go for like the TTRS conversion/Yellow Speed/AP so do more research to see what suits you. If you can't afford a BBK just yet then uprated pads on the front should be a bare minimum, I'll be doing this myself in the meantime and will be using Mintex M1155 pads.

Suspension/Handling is also crucial, I'm still on the standard setup at stage 2 which copes ok but I can see that I'm nearing the limit now, even with the fantastic quattro system, so can understand that stage 2+ would be pushing this a little too much. ARB's reduce the body roll of which the H&R kit is reliable, people say the best setup is to have front soft and rear hard. ALK reduces the lift and while the Powerflex & Whiteline kits are good, a comparison was done to the SuperPro kit and found the latter uses a superior material for the joints and so it's worth getting the SuperPro.

Coilovers offer maximum customisation options so it depends on your preferences in regards to stance/performance/comfort ratio but generally speaking you'll want to lower it to some extent to hunker it down to improve handling and maintain a higher speed round corners. Good kits are KW V2 or V3/H&R Monotube/Bilstein B14/Eibach Pro Street S so it's worth doing more research to see which you like best. Again if you can't afford a decent set right away then getting some H&R 25mm lowering springs front & back will do the job which is what I'll be doing for now.

Tuners also offer DSG maps which will vastly improve performance with launch control/different drive modes etc.

Maintenence

  • Cam Follower
  • Shell V-Power Nitro+ / Tesco Momentum 99
  • Millers Nanodrive CFS / Motul 300V Oil
  • Decoke (relates to Forge PCV Plate/ IE Kit)
  • Cam Chain & Tensioner
  • Oil Pickup Pipe
  • Tyres
  • Four Wheel Alignment
The Cam Follower should be treated as a service item so make sure you get it checked annually at every service, or every 5,000 miles when at stage 2+ as you don't want this part failing. It's cheap and easy to replace so not a concern if looked after properly as stated.

Shell and Tesco are the only two major petrol suppliers in the UK whose premium petrol has a 99ron octane rating, BP and Esso premiums fuels only offer 97ron.

Once modified, especially stage 2+, then it's worth running a 5W40 fully synthetic oil of which Millers Nanodrive CFS and Motul 300V are popular choices on here.

Due to the TFSI engine being direct injection then carbon deposits build up on the inlet valves overtime which will eventually affect performance, the higher the car is tuned the quicker this will build up so it's worth doing every 40K or so. The Forge PCV Plate kit delete's the front breather pipe but there's still the one going in the rear so whilst this slows the process, it doesn't eliminate the problem. The long term solution is the IE kit as that removes all breathers however that costs several hundred pounds, but you would break even after 3 decokes so up to you. Another benefit of both of these options is that they removes the PCV valve which can fail causing erratic idling.

The Cam Chain & Tensioner as well as the Oil Pickup Pipe should all be done as a precautionary measure on S3's over 50K, we've lost quite a few S3 engines in the last couple of years purely down to these two items. Using the oil mentioned and regular oil checks/changes will help prevent the oil pickup pipe failing going forward. Cam chain & tensioner seems to be luck of the draw as some are over 100K on the original with no problems whilst others have gone way before that.

It goes without saying don't skimp out on tyres, I as well as many others have found that the Michelin PS4 tyre's are a great all rounder, I have yet to fault them after a solid year of chucking everything I can at them.

Four Wheel Alignment shouldn't be overlooked, it's especially worth doing after fitting new alloys or suspension changes, try going to a reliable indy over the likes of kwick fit who rush it like there's no tomorrow.

Optional
  • Intercooler
  • Runner Flap Delete
  • Turbo Muffler Delete
  • Silicone Throttle Body Hose
  • Short Shifter
Whilst a bigger Intercooler isn't required until stage 3, it helps keep temperatures down, especially on long runs or track days. Pro Alloy and Wagner are the best.

Again the RFD isn't essential until stage 3, but can help at stage 2+ however custom tuning is required otherwise cold start-ups won't be too pleasant. There's multiple kits out there but they all do the exact same thing so might as well use the cheaper MTC kit available.

The Forge TMD helps improve throttle response by reducing the turbulence caused by the OEM part which allows air to escape. The reasoning for this was basically so there's less turbo noise in the cabin, stupid I know..


The Forge short shifter is beneficial to improve shift times but you've got DSG which outclasses that.

In regards to the rear wiper delete kit, the best and cheapest kit available is produced by gecleant, google it they're a German complany.

Most of what I've mentioned can be found on either the awesomegti or demon-tweeks websites, it's also worth checking the Classifieds 8P section on here to see what people are selling to save some money. Search on Google or on here to find the rest.

Hope I've helped!
 
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Wow. Fantastic write up. Really helpful read that. I always use tesco 99 even in standard performance cars. Although ive been informed today, that costco do a 99ron now. Am guessing decoke will be needed on mine am not 100% sure what that means or were to get it done though.

After the first 3months ill get the oil pick up pipe looked at whilst doing an oil change. Also look how much cam chain will set me back. I have a good alignment place near me ill get that looked into.
Am from manchester and i have been looking a unicorn also as i would like a custom map. I ideally want to go straggt to stage2+ but that means saving longer haha we will see how that pans out.

Ill get the cam follower done also straight after the 3 months... i dont want to touch it for 3months due to just buying it.

I was looking at lowering springs but read they dont work well with original dampers? Also i park in a multi-story car park so am unsure how long to also.

Before this post i came across kill all wipers for my delete kit haha.

Would love a nice exhaust. Not sure i could affors a brand new one haha so i will have to keep an eye out for second hand when in a position to do so...
 
Wow. Fantastic write up. Really helpful read that. I always use tesco 99 even in standard performance cars. Although ive been informed today, that costco do a 99ron now. Am guessing decoke will be needed on mine am not 100% sure what that means or were to get it done though.

After the first 3months ill get the oil pick up pipe looked at whilst doing an oil change. Also look how much cam chain will set me back. I have a good alignment place near me ill get that looked into.
Am from manchester and i have been looking a unicorn also as i would like a custom map. I ideally want to go straggt to stage2+ but that means saving longer haha we will see how that pans out.

Ill get the cam follower done also straight after the 3 months... i dont want to touch it for 3months due to just buying it.

I was looking at lowering springs but read they dont work well with original dampers? Also i park in a multi-story car park so am unsure how long to also.

Before this post i came across kill all wipers for my delete kit haha.

Would love a nice exhaust. Not sure i could affors a brand new one haha so i will have to keep an eye out for second hand when in a position to do so...

You're welcome, this is a great forum for people helping each other out so it's good to be able to pass on knowledge that I've learnt through hours of research, some experience and from what others have shared with me. Although, you do have to partially thank the server for going down in giving me so much time in order to type such a comprehensive response haha.

That's handy to know about Costco providing 99ron, I know they plan to open more stations of which one of their wholesalers is by me in Reading so it would be good to see them open up a petrol station too to see if they offer cheaper fuel.

The cam chain & tensioner cost me £178.07 inc VAT in June last year, this includes the chain, tensioner, 3 bolts for tensioner, end case gasket and rocker cover gasket. Raise a Parts Request on here and you'll speak to mjr901 (Mike) who's an Audi parts manager and is class for helping people out. The labour at an indy garage cost me £230 to get it fitted so not a cheap part all in but is well worth doing, especially before upgrades. The oil pickup pipe (06F 115 251 B) is only £30 and no way near as labour intensive to fit.

Yeah I know what you mean, patience is not my strong point and I'm stuck at stage 2 now until at least the latter part of next year annoyingly. Good choice in going with Unicorn, you're in safe hands with Rick there, there isn't anyone who knows anymore about the S3 8P then he does.

Ride is always a tricky one as a lot of it is down to opinion so what is acceptable to one, is a nightmare to another. I've had a conversation with Dan-Jnr who is at stage 3 in his S3 of which he's only been on H&R 25mm lowering springs up until very recently and he said that he didn't find any issue with them for fast road use, it was only on track days where they seriously lacked. Springs as mentioned are 25mm, the maximum I'd personally go would be 35mm but my priority is performance/comfort>stance so would probably stay around the 25mm region with coilovers too.

Haha the name doesn't fill you with much confidence, plenty of people including myself have gone for the gecleant glass grommet so you're best off going with that as it's proven to do the job fine.

Yeah that's fair enough I know all too well of financial restrictions, only if buying an entirely new TBE would I say that getting a BCS would be compulsory. Next after the BCS, research and S3 owners reviews off of here suggest that the Pipewerx downpipe would be your next best option and that only costs around £275-£300. Miltek will do the job sure, but their quality has significantly decreased in recent years after moving production to China and some people have found issues with fitment and poor welding.
 
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Yeah i have seen a few posts about miltek and am shocked really as growing up (28 now) they was the exhaust to have on VAG cars. Am very impatient. I was waiting to get a car in may when i get a 20k payrise. Then i had a 10k limit. Although on finance due to saving for a house also. Now ive bought one and cost 15k haha.

I think am going to look into a set if 25mm springs. And other little bits and bobs you mentioned. Get them done while put stage2+ parts together. I think i have to be sensible here and maintanence comes first
 
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It's a shame because like you said, Miltek used to be the go to manufacturer for exhausts but I guess they needed to cut costs which inevitably saw a reduction in quality, something which car enthusiasts will soon pick up on and not endorse of course. Haha well you only bought your S3 two months earlier than initially planned so you didn't do too badly to be fair!

They should do the job fine, H&R 25mm springs are £175 and then it's worth replacing both front strut top mounts as well whilst you're there which are around £30 each IIRC and you're done for the time being. The S3 already comes 15mm dropped compared to the A3 but there's still a little too much thigh gap for my liking so another 25mm will drop it nicely while still maintaining enough distance so it's not impractical to drive. It's tough but 100% worth doing maintenance first otherwise leaving the parts and tuning instead, especially to stage 2+ will only exacerbate a problem leading to quicker & more dangerous damage and expensive repair.
 
Will the springs be ok for being in a multi-story car park? I had a lowered bmw 5 series and to be honest it was ok. No idea what drop it was but also was on 20inch wheels
 
It's hard for me to say as I haven't personally driven or been in an S3 8p that's been dropped by 25mm but I'd imagine you'd be ok too be honest, given that there's plenty of S3's on here that are dropped 35mm+.

Speak to Dan-Jnr and he'll be able to give you some more information, he answered a couple of questions I had on the last page of his build thread http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/thread...-featured-april-16.200636/page-9#post-2913051.
 
My S3 8P is lowered by 25mm on H&R's, sometimes it will scrape the undertray on speed humps if I don't go over the edge, multi-storey car parks are fine.
 
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Happy days. Cheers pal
 
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@HHS3 hiya bud. Can you shed bit of light on this decoke and what i need to get done. Thanks
 
H&r 25mm springs. Ride is fine but I'll probably put bilstein dampers on as and when funds allow. Drop looks absolutely spot on to me.
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Hows the ride comfort? One thing i like about the s3 is its supringly comfy for the type of car
 
It's not much different to me, a little stiffer than standard but I couldn't go back to the standard ride height at the front again. Only 185 quid and I promise you that you'll love the looks


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Yeah am tempted to even order them now haha. Still waiting on my payrise in may. Trying save for a house. And just booked florida for end of august..
 
@HHS3 hiya bud. Can you shed bit of light on this decoke and what i need to get done. Thanks

Here's the decoke thing....

http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/time-for-a-build-thread-big-turbo.106134/page-44#post-2494220

The TFSi has a lot of breathers all of which empty into the induction system,and as we have direct injection,there are not port injectors to help clean the inlet valves,and this is the result.

Walnut blasting cleans all the junk off,and opens up the ports again.



 
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I know the feeling mate, trying to get things done when the Mrs is booking holidays all the time. One bit at a time


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Had a read alex. Not sure if i missed but were can i get this done. Cars on 53k now(manchester area ideally)
 
Not sure up your end of the country.....I know that plenty can do this,inc Awesome and it may be worth asking someone like Rick if he can do it.
 
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Ok no worries. Ive message rick about mapping but no joy as of yet. Ive looked online at the prices anyways. Dsg map £350 on its own haha
 
@HHS3 hiya bud. Can you shed bit of light on this decoke and what i need to get done. Thanks

Ok no worries. Ive message rick about mapping but no joy as of yet. Ive looked online at the prices anyways. Dsg map £350 on its own haha

Alex has since supplied all of the information regarding decoking, AwesomeGTI who are based in Manchester do these and Rick may be able to as well. He's a very busy man due to being in high demand so it may be worth calling Unicorn if you need a quicker response but they're worth the wait. DSG maps are definitely worth it but I would get the ECU remapped first if funds are tight.

Ill put this here instead of creating a new thread...

CTS CAI or Revo and why?

Noticed they do a fuel pump as well vs say loba

http://www.psituning.com/product.php/22778/cts_drop_in_high_flow_fuel_pump_kit_for_fsi_tsi

Not only does the Revo CAI look the part, it has been proven by several owners and tuners that it has the largest airflow compared to other intakes, this is mainly due to it's piping. I've got the ceramic version myself and love it, it's my favourite piece of hardware by far until the BCS Powervalve TBE goes on.

The £330 Autotech, £620 LOBA or £900 APR pumps are the main three used to upgrade the HPFP, they're the only one's I've seen fitted and with good feedback. As money is tight and the LOBA unit has gone up £90, then I'm going for the Autotech internals instead now as it's still £330, just remember that the pump seals should also be replaced at the same time.
 
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Revo it is then haha. Yeah id of only heard them fuel pump makes until i came across psituning and they had the cts one. It says good upto 500bhp but like you say is it proven.
 
Whilst Revo's software may not be the best around anymore, their CAI is a superb bit of kit, you'll like it a lot! Those other three HPFP's are good past 500bhp, S3Alex for example has been around 550bhp/570lbs for the past 30,000 (give or take 10,000) miles of which his Autotech internals have lasted absolutely fine. Now that his custom BCS is fitted and after the DSG conversion is completed, his map will be tweaked and he'll be well into the 600's.
 
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Yeah my problem is i want stage2+ and i want it now! Haha. Oo i went against your recommendation on miltek. I do apologise haha. Its downpipe and 200cell cat. It was a good price and couldnt turn it down. And it will do for now i guess. I think downpipe and cai will have be my limit for now. And few other cosmetics like tts engine cover
 
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Yeah my problem is i want stage2+ and i want it now! Haha. Oo i went against your recommendation on miltek. I do apologise haha. Its downpipe and 200cell cat. It was a good price and couldnt turn it down. And it will do for now i guess. I think downpipe and cai will have be my limit for now. And few other cosmetics like tts engine cover

Haha yes I also know all too well about wanting stage 2+ power now, patience is not my strong point but I'm being forced to be now after spending a lot on maintenance last year unfortunately!

The Miltek DP should still do the job ok and for the right price you can't complain to be fair, I'd just make sure whoever's fitting it has a good check over prior to fitment and is happy with it once in place as some have had a couple of issues first time round. That and the CAI is enough for stage 2 which is what I'm at now and is still a lot of fun in all fairness, especially compared to stock, so should keep you happy for the time being.
 
Am thinking stage 2 for now to be honest. Am going to order CAI today. Then look at stage 2. Then i can sort out the handling and brakes. Then look at stage2+ but with an intercooler. But then i look at ATS site and autotech with the ring is £350 and if am doing cam follower i thought maybe do that also. I dunno will have see what funds allow. I think dsg map will have be on hold also

Does stage 2 need dv+?
 
Fair enough pal. Thanks
 
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Rang awesome gti and they dont the do decoke as such any more. Just elbow grease to clean it all. £500 is the price!!
 
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Does stage 2 need dv+?

None of the stages require the GFB DV+ however I and plenty of others highly recommend it. Mine came with the Rev C, I upgraded to the Rev G and noticed a big improvement, I then later upgraded to the DV+ which performs even better. Yours has got the Rev D, whilst some at stage 2+ use this fine with no issue and the piston design means that it doesn't split (like the G can overtime) but it doesn't hold boost as well, which is why the likes of R-Tech recommend the older Rev G over it. So for the sake of an extra £40 over the Rev G, I'd go for the DV+ as it isn't prone to splitting and holds boost better.

Rang awesome gti and they dont the do decoke as such any more. Just elbow grease to clean it all. £500 is the price!!

It'll have the same outcome as the decoke but costs more due to it being a more labour intensive process. May be see if Rick offers it but I know that some BMW garages offer decokes as someone on here got theirs done at one.
 
Ah ok no worries. Ill get that as my next purchase then. Thanks mate
 
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