Do you support the strikes...?

[S4 Muzza]

Anyone see The One Show last night with Jezza Clarkson? Now i like the man and his comedy, and i do not support these strikes, but surely common sense tells you not to say this on prime time national tv?
Jeremy Clarkson on public sector strikes | The One Show - November 30th - YouTube

 

[lippyrich]

Glad we've sorted that, you don't actually pay my pension, you make a contribution to it, just like you contribute to say, educating someone elses kids, other people receiving hospital treatment, others on benefits, policing the streets, emptying the bins etc...

Now, you and me will disagree on whether that is right or not, but surely you can see how aggrieved I am by having the goalposts moved 20 years down the line?..

Imagine buying a car, then a few years later, the previous owner comes back to you and says 'actually mate, that motor is going to last longer, I'd like some more money off you please'...

Nothing like that at all mate, just typical socialist spout. Sorry mate but its a disgrace it IS labours fault and now the socialists will use their collective might to try to put the lefties back in so that they can freeload their way through life hey where was all the heavy taxation during the previous govt's 13 years please ???????

It matters not if Labour are in power or opposition all they do is castigate the Torys, who on the other hand get left to do the dirty work that the Lab lovies wont do because its the only thing that they can win votes on. PS look how hard up and working class they all are (they are not the socialists of years by)

 

[Turkster]

this whole mess was created by design and when it all folds away and all the toys get put back in the box, as they always do, we will be left screaming asking for a global government and a global currency under the control of the "New World Order".............and this order is not a new idea, its thousands of years old, at this point in time, we are only in the very last seconds of that creation of it,

 

[Just Plain Old]

this whole mess was created by design and when it all folds away and all the toys get put back in the box, as they always do, we will be left screaming asking for a global government and a global currency under the control of the "New World Order".............and this order is not a new idea, its thousands of years old, at this point in time, we are only in the very last seconds of that creation of it,

I'm with you on that one,, You feel they are that close to succeeding.....!

So I'm sure you're aware that is why the NWO depise 'nationalism', as it is the only thing that stands in their way.....

 

[StateOfPlay]

Lets put the basic rate of income tax up by 3p to pay for the pensions. But only if you are a public sector worker.

 

[Sarah's A3]

I was public sector before moving out here. Thank goodness we left. Our place did go through a huge reorganisation and loads of dead wood was axed a few months before we left but sadly alot of the lazy hanger ons remained, still moaning about what they used to have and dont have now..... Saying that there are alot of hard working people in the public sector who have embraced the many changes they have gone through.

I agree, alot should be grateful and some need to open their eyes to things around them.

 

[warren_S5]

I'm torn on this one; I work 'with' the public sector as part of a collaborative partnership, and I actually respect the fact they've felt compelled to get off their ***** and stand up for something they believe in. Every time I've been in a job where the goal pots have changed I've just moved on, but that is where private sector differs, it's not necessarily a long term career choice like my public sector partners many of whom have 30yrs+ in role and don't feel like switching to a mealy mouth corporate job.

Is it right to say, just because the private sector isn't what it once was that no one else should stand up for your own rights? The only reason I'd say yes to this is if THEY personally had a conscious involvement in the crisis. Whilst I'm sure the Govt will go ahead anyway, it's good for them to see there is still some resistance in society and they won't just lay down and accept any bull**** the Goverment sugar coat for them.

We seem to elect and interact with Govt. like they're an X-Factor contestant, every time there's an election people raise a vote and then just listen to that music until the next big thing (election). We're kept so busy paying tax that 95% of those who have any get up and go are too busy to make any form of political contribution or statement beyond the blowing of hot air in occasional over coffee conversations.

The problem is that as medical science evolves, life expectancy increases, financial products become less lucrative/ affordable we actually have a bigger morale dilemma to answer about how long is long enough to live, and can we afford it? These challenges with be managed in very different ways reinforcing the tiered society structures. The 'haves' (E.g. Ecclestones, Gates, hedge fund managers, those in Government) will be fine, the have nots will remain a dirty necessity to an end game (workers/tax payers/societys ants). It's when you realise (a la Matrix first film) we are pretty much batteries feeding the bigger system.

Personally I didn't notice any major issues as I don't have kids, and on that day I didn't have to interact with any public services. My challenge to the public sector is to be aware of what your asking for, life expectancy on average has increased in double digit %, hence why the sums don't stack up. Admittedly the system has let you down as I know far too many who got very good pensions with early retirement and they are emptying the pot as we speak. But the current system is unsustainable, and for once it is plain old miscalculation of life expectancy and contributions that probably to blame. I'm not saying its right, it's just a variable in a complex system, and any fund growth potential is just not there to bridge the gaps in these harsh times. No one is robbing you persay, it's just cause and effect and this political hot potato wasn't dealt with quickly enough by our untouchable friends in Westminster.

So on balance I was actually pleased that people could be ***** to stand up and protest rather than doing the modern thing of giving it the billy bigmouth and just sounding off down the pub like a know it all procrastinating invertebrate, my only problem is that the whole debacle has been so badly communicated that people do not understand the mechanics driving the issue, and how there isn't a magic Elastoplast for this to make it all better (other than Dignitas Clinic at 67 years old! - that's a poor quality attempt at a joke for the hypersensitive). The reason I'm not impressed was the rhetoric spouted by those interviewed didn't suggest they understand why the lie of the land has changed. I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying don't expect money that isn't there, because the money generated in the financial system will tend to flow in one direction (offshore). Yet again, even with all the supercomputing power we have, these basics only get discussed on D-Day. No pre-emotive plans, everything has to fail before anyone acts or becomes accountable due to a driver called 'market stability'.

What makes me laugh is that somehow 90% of the worlds weath is sat in less than 10% of the worlds population, it's just a shame the world lacks any caring philanthropists who could unite and share the burden of putting this right for all the good fortune they've had. If we all had thick fur and doughy eyes like young animals maybe they'd hold a charity gala for basic ordinary folk.

 

[Just Plain Old]

Glad we've sorted that, you don't actually pay my pension, you make a contribution to it, just like you contribute to say, educating someone elses kids, other people receiving hospital treatment, others on benefits, policing the streets, emptying the bins etc...

Now, you and me will disagree on whether that is right or not, but surely you can see how aggrieved I am by having the goalposts moved 20 years down the line?..

Imagine buying a car, then a few years later, the previous owner comes back to you and says 'actually mate, that motor is going to last longer, I'd like some more money off you please'...

I think you make my point about how your pension is paid for,,,, but we'll move on from that..!

I have already said the goalposts have been moved, nobody is denying that, and yes you have every right to be ****** off. But it is a minor niggle compared to what the ba$tard Brown did to private pensions a few years ago now,,, he not only moved the goalposts, he took a chainsaw to them, then ploughed up the pitch for good measure......... I don't recall the 'brothers' coming out on stike in support of my (miserable by comparison) pension....!!

The poll shows you have no support and there is a reason for that,,,, what you are being asked to endure is far less that those of us with 'non-state' pensions have already had to suffer......... Time to get real, and accept you're not that badly off... Sorry.

 

[beanoir]

The poll shows you have no support and there is a reason for that,,,, what you are being asked to endure is far less that those of us with 'non-state' pensions have already had to suffer......... Time to get real, and accept you're not that badly off... Sorry.

Nicely said, I think that pretty much sums it all up in a nutshell. The poll I think overwhelmingly suggests the feeling the country has had to the idea of strikes and the little support they give.

Thats it from me....It's been emotional