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Which A4 TDi Avant for my needs?

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    Hi everyone,

    I've read loads of threads about which model A4 Avant is better, but IMO, it all depends on what you as the driver want out of it. In my situation, I want to lose my A3 1.8T for an A4 Avant for the following reasons:

    - I play golf regularly, and have an electric trolley, and want to be able to throw everything into the boot without forcing the boot lid shut, or leave the trolley in the boot and put the clubs in the rear seats (folding down the front seats first to get them in). All of this is a hassle.

    - I like to boot the car now and again, often doing short bursts over 100mph on the motorway now and again, or pulling away from a tailgater (often Mondeo Man who's late for a meeting!).

    - However, I am concerned about mpg, which is why I only perform the above on the odd occasions.

    - I do very little mileage - I've done 10K in the past 2 years!

    - I want the next car to be baby proof - what I mean about this is that we are looking to start a family soon, so it's got to take my clubs as well as the pram!

    - I will expect to travel a 180 mile round trip to my parents if I'm to show off our baby to them (once/twice per 3 months), so it needs to be comfortable

    - I want it to be chippable!

    Now I've narrowed it down to either a 1.9 TDi or a 2.5 V6 TDi - must be auto - Quattro if supported with auto transmission - can anyone verify this? Quattro would also be more safe for the new family, and carving round roundabouts in the wet!

    Based on your experiences, which one would fit my lifestyle? I currently get 32mpg from the A3, so anything better than this is a bonus

    Thanks all
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    If you do very little mileage why are you looking at diesels?
    If I had the luxury of low mileage then I would be looking at an S4 if you can afford it.
    You'd have to be mad to go for diesel if your mileage is low, but then again you do play golf with an electric trolley, how lazy is that? Sorry couldn't resist!
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    Hi,

    Can't really answer your question as I have never owned a diesel.

    However, in my day having a family was the quickest way to tame ones driving habits. No safety seats then.
    Nothing slows you down round the bends like having a youngster crashing from one side of the car to the other.

    They and their Mum get most upset and it makes it difficult to concentrate on the road!!

    Good luck with your deliberations.

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    [ QUOTE ]
    If you do very little mileage why are you looking at diesels?
    If I had the luxury of low mileage then I would be looking at an S4 if you can afford it.
    You'd have to be mad to go for diesel if your mileage is low, but then again you do play golf with an electric trolley, how lazy is that? Sorry couldn't resist!

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    Because of the expected travel to my parents when we get the new arrival to the family. I forgot to also mention that we will be moving to a bigger house, and this will probably mean that I will have to drive to work - It currently takes me 10 mins to walk, which is why my mileage is low as it's parked at home.

    How does owning a diesel for a low miler affect me, apart from the initial cost of diesel? I normally fill the A3 when its on the red, about 320 miles. I guessed that the diesel will return more miles, despite being a bit more expensive to buy at the pumps?

    I've always wanted to chip my A3 1.8T, but resisted it if I knew I was going to go for a bigger car soon. I hear that diesels perform very well when chipped, and when it has been chipped, will produce massive torque but still returning more mpg than the stock or chipped 1.8T.

    Comments appreciated!
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    Short trips are the worst for petrol .
    Because of a change of insurance at work I had to make a short trip four times a day a 2 mile round trip carrying equipment in Mercedes E220 estate. The thing never warmed up getting less than 17 mpg down from average of 30 mpg I was used to before.

    Replaced with a 1.9 TDi Avant doing the same trips over 43 mpg now
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    Exactly! I'm often driving to the golf driving range, or supermarket which barely lets the car get to full temp by the time I get there. The car seems to be "on choke" all the time, pumping in a richer mix of petrol most of the time. I'm hoping the diesel will compensate the loss in mpg
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    Once you've bought the car, i find its cheaper to run a diesel, as said prev i also do short trips and get 42MPG, used to be high twenties in a 1.8 petrol. so my fuel costs are lower (admittedly not much compared to some on here!) also for me the insurance on the 130Tdi was lower than for any 1.8T, i rarely do pedal to metal anyway (well not in the audi!) so having ultimate performance was a lower priority. re doing 100+, i havn't tried in mine but don't think it would be neck snapping. but its not chipped (Yet?)
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    If you want Baby proof get Leather, the best investment I made, Everything just wipes off.

    Nothing worst than a fabric seat which has had the babypuke wiped off but starts to stink a week later.

    Its also surprising how little leg room is in the back of an A4, as the baby seat steps out from the seat you usually get feet in the passengers back once the baby gets to about 3. We resorted to putting him in the front and the good women went in the back.
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    Must have leather as you pointed out - thanks also for the tip on passenger space at the back. I 'll consider this.

    Also, I would only do 100+ if I'm on my own, never with the wife/baby.

    Does anyone know which is the best for chipping, 1.9TDi or 2.5TDi, in terms of end performance and performance gains (ie. does one have a higher percentage gain than the other)
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    That's the other downside to going diesel, you'll find very few who've forked out the extra to get leather. I had to buy our interior on ebay and retrofit it, but it was well worth it. Just sooo practical with kids.
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    i know this might be way out there on the suggestions front, but have you thought about a skoda superb edition 100 ?

    Massive cars with massive boots, massive equipment list, and massive rear legroom.

    Oh did I say it has loads of room ;-)

    http://www.skoda-auto.com/global/showroom/superb/default.htm
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    [ QUOTE ]
    i know this might be way out there on the suggestions front, but have you thought about a skoda superb edition 100 ?

    Massive cars with massive boots, massive equipment list, and massive rear legroom.

    Oh did I say it has loads of room ;-)

    http://www.skoda-auto.com/global/showroom/superb/default.htm

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    My friend just sold his one - it's the same engine as the 2.5TDi Audi I understand - I know they're good, but I want to stick with Audi after previously owning one, and being very happy with the overall build quality.
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    I agree with the comments about rear leg room in the A4 - the boot is also not massive. You should also take a look at an A6, particulalry if you want to get golf stuff and a pram in there. If you're buying "nearly new" - i.e. a late example of the previous version - you should be able to get a lot of car for your money. If you're buying new, you'll get a lot of car for a lot more money. They are also v. reliable (touching wood) and I still get 40mpg or more on long motorway trips (1.9TDi 130).

    Just a suggestion........
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    Never really thought about an A6. Are the engines in the A4 the same in the A6? If so, what is the difference between the two models, is it all chassis, trim and spec level?

    A friend of mine who works for Audi commented on the running costs of A6's as far as servicing and repair costs, that are higher than A4s, anyone comment on this?

    Any other A6 comments would be appreciated - thanks for suggesting the A6, I will take a closer look. Iniitially I didn't like the look of the rear end of the A6, but I might re-consider if more space (and luxury) is offered!
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    I run an A4, but looked at the A6, its bigger, but unless you are buying nearly new will be on an older style chassis, the mags don't rate the dynamics as much (will you ever notice) they do share the engines, have a look at the tech specs at www.parkers.co.uk
    the a6 is heavier so more fuel and slightly less peformance engine for engine, insurance?
    the A4 doesn't have a massive boot, think of it as a large hatchback instead of a saloon.
    the final swinger, A6 depreciates more then A4 so similar prices at 3yrs (ish)

    theres a place in romford that only sells audi diesels, look at the prices.
    HTH
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    The running costs may be slightly more for the A6, but it is not going to be a huge difference - perhaps the depreciation might be a factor as chazzy says, but depending on how long you keep the car (and how much you value the extra you get in an A6) that may not be important. A well spec'd and well looked after A6 1.9 TDi will always be be an attractive private buy.

    The diesel engines are the same A4 to A6. I would strongly recommend the Sport spec - I have a late 2003 model saloon, so obviously the spec will be different depending on which model year you look at. I think the 1.9 gives the best balance between power and running costs - I also felt the 2.5 was a bit front-heavy. If you want quattro it has to be 2.5 as the A6 1.9 isn't available with quattro. The rear end styling issue isn't there with the avant - I think it is a really nice looking, understated "estate" car.

    The biggest differences with the Sport spec are the stiffer, lowered suspension that takes away the wallowy ride in the SE, and the quality of the seats - they are amazingly comfortable. I think that is the most noticable difference from the A4 - the car is just so much more comfortable. The cabin is bigger, and has an airy feeling that the A4 doesn't have. The ride may feel a little hard at first, but it is not intrusive (and you don't feel sea sick!). We travelled more than 3,000 miles in the UK and France last summer and never felt anything but fresh as a daisy even after driving all day in 36C heat. The Sport spec also gives the nice 17" RS4 alloys. As for options, I'd particularly look for the 6sp gearbox (either manual or multitronic, according to your choice) if you are going with the 1.9 as the torque is higher than with the 5sp - you really notice the difference. Bose upgrade for the stereo is also good and I need heated seats up here!

    For the use you outline, I think the A6 is well worth serious consideration. I've had mine almost 2 years and it has never been anything short of fabulous. It is surprisingly quick and handles pretty well for a big fwd car, looks great and is a really nice place to spend a journey, long or short. Build quality is faultless. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ok.gif

    Happy to try and answer any other specific questions.

    HTH.
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