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The saloon is HOW much?

Discussion in 'New A3/S3 (8V Chassis)' started by DiscoPanda, Jun 23, 2013.

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    I was eagerly awaiting the A3 Saloon, but now see that its the best part of £6k more than the Sportback. Not only that but the A4 saloon is cheaper! Really??? Its almost as if they've deliberately made it uncompetitive. What am I missing?
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    Probably skimming pricing. High price to get the people willing to pay that and then reduce once demand starts to reduce. Personally I think a sport back would be more useful as can drop seats to fully load the car but appreciate some people would prefer the saloon
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    Not sure where you've got your info from but the saloon is £925 more than the Sportback, a least in s-line guise anyway.
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    Using the 'from' prices on the Audi website:

    A3 Sportback: £18,525
    A3 Saloon: £24,305
    A4 Saloon:£23,960

    Doesn't compute. Even allowing for s-line vs base spec.
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    I think it's because they're only offering sport and s-line specs on the saloon. The 2.0tdi s-line is £925 more than the sportback version.
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    I think the sportback starts with a 1.2 engine
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    Quick look at the configurator comparing the 1.8TFSI base price for sport and s-line the saloon seems to be about £2200 more for each, assuming spec is the same
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    You guys need to compare like-for-like, the saloon is limited to certain engines and configurations only. As already mentioned, the saloon has a price premium of around £900 over the sportback.

    Personally I don't see the point myself, if you want a saloon get an A4.
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    I don't see the point of the A4. If you want a saloon get an A8. :undwech:

    I think the A3 saloon looks great, but I need a car that will fit nose to tail on the driveway with my wife's car. The sportback will just about fit.
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    I think the price difference is even less than £925 as the A3 Saloon prices will not go up on 01/07/13 whereas all other A3's will. My dealer quoted me a difference of £580 to Sportback after the price increase is allowed for. This premium is acceptable to me for what looks a really classy car. I have nothing against the look of the Sportback which looks great but I prefer a saloon and do not want an A4 which is about to be replaced and costs about another £3,000. Only problem I have is the 150 PS diesel with S-tronic is not open for order until November.
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    Not really related, but I dont suppose you know whether the S3 prices are increasing on 1st July too? As they've only been on sale for less than a month, so I'm guessing not
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    Sorry, I do not know if the S3 prices will increase on 1st July or not. It would seem a bit harsh given they have only been released a few weeks ago. The S3 Saloon will not be available to order until February 2014.
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    Had a B8 A4 and would never buy another. Its not quite that simple. Offset pedals, blind spots, squeaky door seals, poor visibility.... I could go on!

    If I wanted another saloon, I'd buy the A3.
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    It seems to depend on the engine and model line that you go for. £925 between the SB and Saloon diesels but a whopping £2,405 difference between the COD petrol models in both Sport and Sline configs. Can't see the justification for that.

    Audi A3 1.4COD Sport ROTR:

    Saloon: 24,305.00
    SBack: 21,900.00
    Hatch:21,280.00

    Audi A3 2.0TDI SLine ROTR:

    Saloon: 26,425.00
    SBack: 25,500.00
    Hatch:24,880.00
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    You are not comparing like with like.

    The Saloon Sport prices include the s-tronic gearbox in the £24,305 figure for the 1.4 COD
    The 3-door 1.4 COD Sport with s-tronic is £22,760 which makes the Saloon £1665 more.
    The Sportback 1.4 COD Sport with s-tronic is £23,380 making it £1085 more.

    Adding the s-tronic to any model generally adds around £1,440 to the overall price and the Sportback is around £600 more than the 3-door.
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    I was trying to. I was unaware of the standard s-tronic and thats why I couldn't figure out that 2.5k price jump.
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    I agree with other posts that you have to compare like with like and this only gives a difference of £925 between Saloon and Sportback and after 1st July this will reduce to only £550 as I would not expect the Saloon prices to increase given they were only announced last week. Comparing the Saloon prices to the 3 door A3 is not a fair comparison I don't think.
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    The A4 is horrid though. It looks far worse than the A3 Saloon, the technology inside is older and if the pedals were any more offset they'd be outside the car!

    On top of that the A4 is the most ubiquitous Audi of them all - they're absolutely everywhere and common as muck.
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    Agreed its a rip off - and I haven't looked at the specs yet, but no doubt a lot will be optional as per the Audi norm - reckon on nearly £30k to get a decent engine and a reasonable amount of kit. Sorry, but then you are into A6 money at that!
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    Albeit in 'poverty spec'.

    Apples and pears - not comparing like for like.
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    I have priced up an A3 Sportback SE 2.0TDI s-tronic with all the options I would go for and it works out at £28,040. The same spec in the A3 Saloon is not yet available but a 2.0 TDI Sport allowing £1440 for the s-tronic would put the Saloon at £29,240. That is £1200 more than the Sportback but as there is a price increase due on the A3 range which I assume will not include the new Saloon that will bring them closer together. I would also expect to get around the same 9-10% discount I been given on my other recent A3s reducing the price by around £2500-3000. Not cheap but acceptable.

    I am going on holiday tomorrow down to Dorset and on the way home I will be calling in to an Audi event just off the M25 where they will be having a German spec A3 Saloon so it will interesting to see one in the flesh.
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    If you think it's a rip-off go and visit your local Seat or Skoda dealer. I'm sure they will have cheaper cars available. Audi's have never been a cheap option, but they are good cars and do hold their value well which is the reason I am currently on my 8th A3.
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    Could you let me in on what dealer and date? Might be close to me and worth a look
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    Yes it is close to you. It being held by the M25 Audi Group at The Grove Hotel in Chandlers Cross. Give one of the M25 Audi Group dealers a ring and book you place. The will also have all sorts of other Audi's there to see and drive. I will be there on Saturday afternoon.
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    Thanks for the detail, was hoping it was Saturday week, I doubt I can make it for this Saturday as my son is playing cricket the other end of Hertfordshire (old enough to play senior cricket but not old enough to get himself there yet!!!)
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    Wasn't my point - my point was it nudges the price of larger Audis such as the A4 and A6. Why does it justify such a huge premium over the hatchback is the crux of this thread I believe. Charging a premium for a saloon over a hatchback is not unusual - Ford were doing it 30 years ago with the Orion over the Escort after all, but the degree to which Audi are doing it here is taking the proverbial IMHO.
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    Whether you could correlate the metal to size ratio is another question but the principle is

    It's bigger therefore more metal and more space inside therefore more expensive QED
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    How did you calculate the huge premium over the Sportback because as I have already posted after the price increase on 1st July, the difference is only £550 which to me is perfectly acceptable. Eg. the Sportback S Line 2.0 diesel manual will be £25,875 from Monday, the same in saloon is £26,425, difference £550. Comparing to an A4 the 2.0 diesel manual S Line is £29,510 which is over £3,000 more, why is the A3 saloon not good value then? I accept there will be bigger discounts available on an A4 but it is an old model and will soon be replaced.
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    Have to admit my local dealer can't get close on the price of similarly specced Sportback/Saloon was really hoping to order the 1.4TFSI S Line S tronic Saloon but its working out over £100 more a month to a higher spec Sportback S Line, as much as I love the look of it there's no convincing my wife that the Saloon is the way to go :-(
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    The list price of the Sportback and the saloon should only differ by the £550 premium on the saloon regardless of being Sport or S-Line or the options specified as the standard equipment and options are the same for the Sportback and Saloon. Where the price may vary is on the price after discount as there is more available on a Sportback because it has been out a few months longer. A week ago Drive the Deal was only offering £1,000 off a saloon but £2,200 off a Sportback.
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    That's why there is such a differential Broadstraik, it may prudent for me to wait a little longer as once the model is on the road over here it hopefully will be a little more flexible on price, the only caveat being that A3 Saloons are predominantly geared for the US & China markets therefore allocation here may be limited & in turn prices may be less flexible?
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    I think there may be a bit more discount available on a saloon if you were to wait a few months but your right, the saloon will probably not sell in such big numbers in the UK so might never reach the discount levels available on a Sportback. Like you I like the look of the saloon and have always had saloons since the early 90's but would have ordered the Sportback had the Saloon not come out .
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    With the July price increase on the Sportback, the spec I would order is now £751 more for the Saloon than the Sportback.
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    The specification and the options available on the Sportback and Saloon are the same and the difference in price after the July price increase is £550 between the models.
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    Having to hold fire on ordering the Saloon as all my local dealers in Sussex are unable to give any discount whereras the Sportback I'm getting close to a £3000 incentive towards it therefore its putting the Saloon off the radar presently, one dealer did recommend waiting for the full launch before commiting to a purchase in the hope that there will be dealer incentives on offer, tempted to spec up a Sportback instead just love the look of the Saloon, would have a look at it at Goodwood if it wasn't for the 8 mile tailbacks going in :-(
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    if you don't mind me asking which dealer offers discount and on what spec as I am in Sussex and ordering soon. Thanks
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