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S3 8L-What are the best options for induction kit?

Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by gaznogaro2003, Jun 25, 2010.

  1. gaznogaro2003
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    [Jun 25, 2010]
    Not really noticed that many kits whilst ive been looking around!

    K&N 57i will be good and will i hope give good results
    Carbonio is a replica kit from memory and isnt too good???

    Any feedback would be good will be going for one asap

    Thanks
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    It is not gonna be absolutly less powerfull...it will be less powerfull when its gonna be hot outside and the engine bay is gonna be hot too...then the air temperature will get higher and the air less dens which equals less power.
    Many TT users concluded that the best induction kif is the neuspeed one...it wont make the car faster but it is better than the K&N ones...and i recall seeing this with dyno data too. The neuspeed comes with a heat sheild too.
    Thats my own opinion = if you absolutly want an induction kit get the neuspeed one so you have the sound, the look and the sound, and it is better rated on the power side than the K&N
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    I'm gonna put in my opinion and escape from this topic before it turns into Modern Warfare Call Of Duty style!

    Get a BMC. I have no problem at all with mine and love it! Prevents heat soak better than the open cone filters. When temperatures drop and cool down, unscrew the carbon shield off and there you have an open cone filter! Best of both worlds really! :icon_thumright:

    I'm going now LOL :undwech:
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    [Jun 26, 2010]
    ^^^^^^ Hi well, i was reccomended a BMC cold air induction kit, there abit pricey but my local revo tuning group said that i would defo see an increase in power, hope this helps..
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    Greencotton Dyno Twist Enclosed Induction kit, never had any problems with it

    Open kits do sound nice but then they can cause "flat spot" drawing in hot engine bay air

    Stick with the box and put a new panel filter in
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    [Jul 11, 2010]
    the induction kit i got from Amd essex is said to give 8-15bhp and tbh it does fell faster the trottle respons is better and and smoother if your gona get one get one from a vag tuning compony mine came with a heat shild cone and fixings.at a guess im thinking you get the 8 bhp unmaped and the 15 bhp once mapped im no expert i just trust people that been doing it for aslong as amd
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    they are sales people. you cant trust them!

    the air filter you already have is larger than that in the B5 RS4 and that left the factory with 380bhp. your standard filter is fine!

    at the most you might want to mod the air box a touch if you think youre being restricted (ive not looked in depth at this yet) but youre best off using your brain and putting some thought into what you change and why rather than just following the crowd and doing what everyone else does
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    New paper element. Job done.
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    Mate, no way on this earth will get 8bhp on a filter on a S3, and 15bhp when mapped, not a chance. AMD are talking pure ****, sorry to tell you.
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    redline mag a couple years back had a play about with a staff 225 TT. it lost 10bhp due to a cone filter, on a dyno, with the bonnet up

    imagine what thats like under a bonnet hahaha

    iirc the exhaust gained well though. might have to dig it out
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    [Jul 11, 2010]
    The problem with asking a question like this is, everyone has an opinion. A lot of those opinions differ and very few of those opinions are based on fact.

    Someone hears something from a mate of a mate, from another forum, from sales ******** etc and they regurgitate it on here. This isn't directed at anyone in particular by the way, so lets all try and stop our knickers from twisting!

    Food for thought, and based on real world testing - I believe Badger5 has a cone filter on his 600bhp race car? With a dedicated cold air feed and some shielding too I would imagine, but a cone filter nonetheless.

    Also, I believe it was our very own Westle who simply smoothed out his standard airbox and got small gains in both bhp and torque. And thats without spending a penny.

    The standard airbox maybe up to the job, but as with the rest of the car, its not beyond improvement.
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    badgers car is a touch different from ours

    on my mapped 20vt ive gained a delta of c.20lbft from 4000rpm onwards with just simple mods, all verified with gtech. thats not opinion, thats mods making a verifiable difference
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    i always swear by Ess threes testing as it was done on the same day, same rollers and in as near test environment without labbing your car...... he even tested without a kit on at all.... conclusion is that the cone will lose you power due to the heat it drags in, this isnt debatable and you may well see a greater influx of air through vagcom...but this will be hotter air rendering any benefit useless

    Vagcom for reference then calculates using the sensor readings to show an improvement in bhp.....but it is only a calculation based on half the facts, its doesnt take inot account the temp of the air going into the airbox and so i would not be betting a limb on vag results

    But you can do the cone if you want and you will notice a difference and suffer the placebo effect in that you'll beeleive its faster.... but you will be kidding yourself and justifying what you have just wasted your money on.

    Im going to be modding the misus A3 airbox with a 4" cold feed to front bumper next chance i get, may do mine once the FMIC comes. That is the way forward and has never been proven to be wrong conclusively
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    so correct. cones do come with a free serving of placebo due to the noise.

    as for essthree, he posted a bit on CGTI. he loves his verifying and testing things. id trust his opinion too
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    I rate the 4" trunking I used on my std airbox and Green Cotton panel filter as a CAI... with an ambient outside temp of 22deg and a hot engine with IAT's of over 40 degrees showing (no load, off boost pottering), IAT's dropped (almost straight away) to around 30 degrees when I put my foot in (not just the FMIC working either)

    The inlet to the std airbox is too small IMO and the 4" trunking idea came from Ess_Three too...

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    carbonio isnt a replica of anything!

    its one of the best CAI's around. if not the best.

    it doesnt suffer from heat soak either as the filter is behind the bumper.
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    [Jul 12, 2010]
    i dont like carbonios at ALL tbh. i couldnt see anything in the design to handle aerodynamics properly

    and its not a paperfilter so its not filtering as well as id want

    its an air filter. whats its function? the clue is in the name

    i think carbonios are another sheep syndrom thing
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    I like the look of the Carbonio too but alas it won't fit a std S3 due to the extra SMIC it has... K03 turbo'd VAG's don't have the passneger side one so all good... It would be tight on an S3 with a FMIC too with the pipework in the way but I plan to re-route mine when I go 60mm ends on the FMIC and free the space for a custom 3" or 4" alloy CAI...

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    [Jul 12, 2010]
    does a carbonio have a bell mouth inside it?
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    that just screams AVOID to me.

    more marketing than substance, like so many other products out there
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    Does work though mate... was fitted to a Leon FR with a hybrid K03... can't remember the MAF figures off the top of my head but they were up there with the best airflows seen from this turbo setup... sounded nice too :racer:

    I must admit its a lot of cash though and you could arguably do the same using alloy bends for much less money.. which is what I plan to do :)

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    i cant see anything special about it at all. its just an enclosed cone filter and like i said before, doesnt even have a bell mouth in there. i cant see the novelty at all or how the cost is justified

    personally i couldnt shell out the cost of one to test it back to back with my modded airbox, but i highly doubt that tat would gain anything

    just a load of bling and marketting hype imo
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    I concur... to a point... I will be testing the merits of a carbonio style CAI vs my current std airbox setup... this will be done on a dyno... granted the situation on my car is slightly different and Glens testing of similar applications was based around a K04 setup not a BT setup like mine...

    I totally agree though for the price point the Carbonio is, I wouldn't buy one myself but its application is sound...

    I would personally like to improve the cold air pick up point on mine as I have seen this work, I do want to test if I get more airflow from a carbonio style setup though but the first thing I am going to test will involve just sticking a cone filter on to see if there are any airflow gains... under bonnet temps are not relevant at this stage as the tests will be done on a dyno with an open bonnet and plenty of cooling fans.... If I get more airflow from open induction then I will persue a carbonio style CAI else I will just improve the location of the 4" trunking I currently use...

    For an S3 with a K04 in any state of tune, the 4" trunking mod 'WILL' give you results without the expense of a Carbonio or similar..

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    has your battery been relocated to the boot? that would give you more scope to improve a remote cone setup.

    the enlarged intake to the airbox has been done over and over and shown to gain, its logical really and probably optimal on a setup like mine thats close to standard
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    No, not relocated the battery as yet... not seen the need as I can get 4" trunking past it...

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    my neighbour has the carbonio on his Leon, it gives a weird chatter noise on full throttle, not too chavvy but defo not standard..... i think the only downside is the proximity to the ground in terms of sucking water up

    he got lucky and got it off ebay for £30!! (or there abouts)
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    gotta love hydro lock
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    I fitted the BMC on to my s3, far from an easy job but the results were pleasing. Car seemed a bit smoother off the line also sounds lovely in-between the gears.

    My neighbour has the same kit on a LCR and he got similar results!
    Pricey peice of kit buy well worth it.
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    I say uprated panel filter over any induction kit.

    Induction kits sound ace but unless there set up right they lose you power FACT !!!
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