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Bi-Xenon with Cornering Lights

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    [Oct 13, 2013]
    Been thinking about this for quite a while and after chatting to a friend who has this installed in his car (factory fitted), was wondering whether it would be possible to fit Bi-Xenon with Cornering lights into my own motor.
    To give you a bit of background about my motor, it's a B7 A4 2.0TDI with S-Line exterior, however it has normal headlamps (no projector lens).
    I understand that it's a big job, if at all possible, but would really like to see if anyone on the forum has done it or knows anything about it. All I know, is that you would have to modify the bumper to fit the washers (make it legal) and also there would be a lot of work when it comes to fitting the lamps. Can anyone tell me anything more about the whole process, the costs, anything?

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    Yes it can be done, but I wouldn't botch bumper for washer, it really does need replacement bumper with washers, its not a cheap job overall.

    We offer supply/fit services, but as you're in Dublin, its fairly expensive for us to come over, we could offer the install in Manchester if ever interested.
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    Thanks for the swift reply Nigel.
    I thought it would be easier to fit the washers into the existing bumper, but now know it's not :thumbsup:
    I wouldn't expect you to come over to Dublin now, but just wondering about the rough cost of the job (say replacement bumper, and all the parts plus labour) can you give me a rough estimate? :yum:
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    [Oct 13, 2013]
    Sorry if I'm missing something here by my understanding was that it's close to impossible to retrofit cornering bi-xenon's as the main problem is that the convenience module has to be flashed (not re-coded!) and with some it's just not possible. Also control arms and steering wheel sensors incl. wiring is required.
    The washers are requirements for xenon's in general, but didn't have anything to do with how Corning function works!

    Nigel, if you really retrofit this and can guarantee that it will work, I'll be defo interested in a quote!
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    Yes I can fit these systems, but realistically its a several grand for the full systems.
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    I have fitted the standard BI-xenons and didnt bother with all the washer systems, its fine..
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    [Oct 16, 2013]
    Just getting hold of a set of xenon's, that's the problem!
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    [Oct 16, 2013]
    I had genuine Audi bi-xenons with auto levelling and AFS (cornering) retrofitted on my B7 last summer. However I couldn't be bothered buying a new bumper so don't have headlight washers. Cost me around 2.5k but IMHO well worth it considering the poorly lit roads we have up here in North Scotland. From now on I will never ever buy a car with halogens. I had mine done by bespokeautotech in Cheshire...they did full installation in 1 full day.
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    [Oct 17, 2013]
    I was chatting with a mate who know a thing or two about Audi's, and he said that it's impossible to fit the bi-xenon with cornering because they were never made in the B7, they were made for the B8 but he said it would be impossible to even find the headlamp. Would this be true?
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    [Oct 17, 2013]
    not true. b7's had them as options for s4 and rs4 (possibly other models too)
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    [Oct 17, 2013]
    I'd say your mate knows less about audi's than he thinks, B7 had halogens, bixenons or bixenons adaptives (aka cornering), I can assure you they can be fitted.
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    Not true as I have them on my B7....nice feature....
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    [Oct 20, 2013]
    Same here
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    2.5k For some lights?? Jeez. Should have sold the car and bought one with them fitted lol.
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    Its not just the lights, its the systems to make them legal in use aswell, all relative & the time to fit the lot isn't just a few hours, it takes a fair bit of time to do correctly with all the wiring, one connector out of a number of, has about 18 wires alone.
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    [Oct 21, 2013]
    +2 - love them... especially when you start the car in the dark, and you see the lights against a wall or garage door, run the self test, and go up and down, left and right, before they centre.. It's the little things :))

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    [Oct 21, 2013]
    FYI - I just checked the B7 brochure and the Adaptive Lights option states:-

    Swivelling headlights for improved illumination of a winding road. Only in combination with Xenon Plus headlights.

    £325 inc VAT
    (from new!)

    Available as an option for Std, SE, S line, S4, and S line Special Edition

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    [Oct 21, 2013]
    How do you run a self test on bi-xenons? when firing up my adaptive xenons they just rise slightly, nothing to get too excited about :(
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    [Oct 21, 2013]
    Turn them on before starting the engine
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    Ah, yes, but that's £325 on top of the £775 for the Xenon Plus Headlights, so £1,100 in all for adaptive bi-xenons out of the factory.
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    [Oct 22, 2013]
    As Rizz says... I leave mine on Auto, and then when you start the car they go up, down, out, in, then centre.

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    [Oct 22, 2013]
    you're quite right - sorry, i forgot to include the cost of the XP lights

    still cheaper out the box than a £2.5k retro-fit.. but hey ho

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    It's because there's so much re-work involved. It's labour-intensive, plus a lot of changed parts.
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    Id say you know less about audis than you think.

    Cornering lights is a separate bulb that comes on when the wheel is turned or indicator switched on and they were not available in the b7s however what you are thinking about is the adaptive headlights and indeed they were available..

    For example, Audi a6 C6 had two 4 types of headlights available:
    - Standard halogen
    - Bixenon
    - Bixenon with AFS1 - adaptive headlights
    - Bixenon with AFS2 - Adaptive headlights + CORNERING LIGHTS which is basically an extra bulb on the side of the projector lense that comes on when the wheel is turned by a certain angle or one of the indicators is applied.

    You can see clearly how the two of them work in this video:
    VW Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS) + Cornering Light - YouTube

    Audi Adaptive headlights do not work under a certain speed (30km/h I think) whereas cornering lights come on even if the vehicle is at standstill.

    In the example below you have a BMW where both the cornering lights and adaptive lights work when the car is stationary:
    E90 LCI BI-XENON ADAPTIVE WITH CORNERING LIGHTS RETROFIT - YouTube

    Cornering lights function can also be implemented by the fog lights like in this video:
    Audi A5 - Corner Light - YouTube
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    We're in the B7 section for audi's, not vw or C6 chassis, you set the precedent, so use your head before engaging your mouth.

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    NHN goes up

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    .....& he's got it!
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    wohoo so what do you call the extra light bulb that comes on when you are turning then?? "The side shining bulb thing?" Dont mind etka, some of the absurd thats in it is beyond ridiculous... It would make no sense to call a cornering light one thing in one model and something else in another model, especially when talking about the same make of cars...

    Looking at it logically cornering lights come on WHEN going around corners and corners are 90 degrees (so I was told anyway..) Adaptive headlights only work at speeds of 30km/h+ and as far as I know u usually slow down to under 30km/h going into a corner no?

    Sorry, how dare was I to contradict a moderator.. woho!

    In regards to N8s post, jesus Man you are cool! maybe a few more comments like this and you will become the new moderator on Audi-sport.

    I dont want to start a big rant, just explaining a few things here you know.. So before you ban me for contradicting the most important people on audi-sport please send me a message with the reason..
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    That is an absolutely brilliant post Mlody. You wrote about the cornering lights having a4 solely in mind, backed it up with an example from the A6, which is perfectly understandable and perfectly clear. Still the same brand, concept is the same so believe it or not , can be applied to both cars. He is right about the definition and tried to prove that you are mixing up the definitions, so +1 for Mlody, -1 for NHN.
    Regarding N8's comment, if you are trying to earn brownie points, well done you have achieved it (don't know who with, but i'm sure someone out there likes this kind of comment.) I don't understand what is the point of putting in pictures like that, it's of no use to anyone. Unless you have something good to say, don't say it.
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    This is just a pointless argument over a big misunderstanding of "what seems to be" simple terms confusion between "adaptive" and "cornering" function. The "cornering" function that "mlody' has been referring to (where just one side of the for/driving lights is activated when driving below 30km/h and indicating) was introduced by BMW in 2007 as an addition to their adaptive headlights ( where the actual xenon headlight swivel as you turn the steering wheel when driving above 30km/h). However prior to this, manufacturers (and therefore also general public) also referred to adaptive headlights as "cornering", just these didn't have the newer additional function of activating a fog/extra light bulb when doing a slow turn and indicating... Hope this makes sense!;)
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    Yeah, good advice.
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    Show me the bulb on a B7 headlight you're referring to, may take you a while but please do show me so we can clear this up, remember we're discussing a factory fitment for the B7.

    With respect, you really don't know what you're talking about, your post tbh is littered with uninformed comments, just cause one can have it, doesnt mean another chassis can, this is where you're showing your lack of understanding I'm afraid of systems, without being patronising, its just a fact, not fiction.
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    To be honest, I may not know anywhere near as much as some people on this forum, especially Mlody, however because I accept that fact, I never pretend to know and argue with people especially if I'm proven wrong. When I was referring to his explanation, if the system has been designed by Audi, it's very unlikely that for the A4 the definition of the Cornering Lights is different from the one in A6.
    There's no point arguing however, because it's not going anywhere. You will always try and prove you're right, so Mlody, thanks for the explanation and I'm just going to go and read about the systems :think:
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    [Dec 20, 2013]
    Everyone seems to be getting confused with Curvelight and Cornering lights. First of all, they are both forms of AFS (Adaptive Frontlighting Systems).

    Dynamic curvelight
    Dynamically adjusts the horizontal angle of low beam light into a corner upon the steering wheel being turned.

    Cornering lights
    A fixed, static low beam which due to its position, illuminates at a greater right angle to that of a standard non-AFS headlight.

    The A6 used in the example has both options of AFS available. This will be down to the fact that the A6 is a more premium vehicle compared to the A4 in the Audi range.

    Further information on AFS can be found on the AL website which if your not already aware are the manufacturers of the B7 headlights (amongst other VAG platforms).
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    My adaptive bi-xenons also move on high beam.
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