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Availability of TDI quattro 184ps

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    [Feb 21, 2013]
    Hi,
    Anyone have any inside knowledge of when we can expect to see quattro on the TDI sportbacks, and the 184ps TDI engine for ordering? Could do with knowing pricing, CO2, mpg etc.

    My 170 quattro is due for replacement soon, and for the first time with a company car, top of my list for successor is a new one of the same (well newer model etc), so impressed I have been with the A3. For me, the perfect blend of performance, economy, company car tax efficiency, practicality, and style (not in any particular order)!


    Shortlist so far:

    184 tdi quattro SB ( if available in time)
    330d If I can get away with the lease payments - looks a beast! Never had a BMW. They make so much sense on paper, have test driven a few, but don't like the image. I would make an exception for this!
    Mazda 6 sport 2.2d (yes, really). Not driven one yet, but very cheap on the tax (and lease), loads of kit, and seems to make a lot of sense. Don't flame me on this - it's only an outline shortlist...!

    Thanks,
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    [Feb 21, 2013]
    Not a clue but I'd test drive a 150PS one too if I were you. I've come from two 170PS A3s and, whilst the 150PS isn't as quick, it's fairly close. The kicker is the stupidly low CO2 rating of 106g/km which reaps huge benefits in company car tax. There's no doubt the more powerful engine will be quicker, but it remains to be seen how much higher the CO2 figure is and thus how much more it'll cost you in tax. Of course only you can then decide whether it's worth the extra money :)
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    [Feb 22, 2013]
    As someone who's got an A3 on order, if I had your options I'd go for a 320/330d with xdrive. I really love the A3 and am looking forward to owning it but the current 3 series is, without exaggeration, the most complete car I've ever driven.

    At my budget level though the A3 makes better sense - one winter with a RWD 330D was enough and I can't afford the premium for the AWD version while having it specced as I'd like.

    The reputation 3 drivers have as well is annoying but you can live with it for the car you get. I've never driven as courteously or politely as I did when I had a 3 - overcompensating for the rep.
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    [Feb 22, 2013]
    There is an artilce on the autoexpress website about the new GTD. Sorry I cannot link to it at the moment - try google if you want to read it. IIRC the new GTD is to have 181hp and 109g/km.

    Edit: sorry it was autocar... Volkswagen Golf GTD revealed | Autocar

    I was expecting 184hp too. Would they give the A3 slightly more power over the Golf? I doubt it. I have read several articles stating that the new engine will be 181, 183 or 184. We may just have to wait and see.
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    [Feb 22, 2013]
    It'll be 184PS which is 181BHP :)
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    [Feb 22, 2013]
    Maybe. The new S3 is to have 300PS which is 296bhp.

    Here is a link for the 181hp A3...

    Audi A3 Sportback 2.0 TDI review | Auto Express

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    [May 2, 2013]
    The 184 Ps TDi A3 Sportback is supposed to be available this Summer according to the media etc. Has anyone any idea or knows when Audi will be announcing the order date for this version? It is now May.Is it therefore too much to hope for that we will see some indication from them soon. Ok we all enjoy being kept in the dark and we all like surprises but not when it is going to cost us. Why is it then that the principal source for a customer to get information is the Audi's official web site, which needs an audit. For example it is still not setting out the issue regarding the DAB being included ( for MY14), rather than as an option at cost. The press at the time were full of this news. However Audi responds in a latent way by keeping customers confused and not updating the appropriate specifications for the cars in the light of that change. My wife is Cornish and they have a suitable word for it ,"I do it dreckly" , I think I spelt it right. It means it will get done but when, well that is another thing.
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    [May 7, 2013]
    I spoke with my local dealer on Friday and he confirmed that the new 184ps engine will be available to order in August with first deliveries being November.

    DAB radio is showing as a no cost option now on my works company car ordering system (Inchcape Fleet Services)
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    Hi lookything and all thanks for the feedback. Can your dealer confirm the source where he got that info from as the only feed from Audi is saying "available Summer 2013". It seams to suggest that those dates are an interpretation of Audi's statement. I have contacted two dealers and they are both saying that as far as they are aware there has been no further update since that statement. It would be nice to know the position.
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    [May 7, 2013]
    Sorry if this posted twice.

    Some of the senior managers had just returned from Audi HQ in Germany the day before I went in and the release date was discussed.
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    Thanks lookything for that. I wonder how long it will be before that info is
    filtered down to the dealers. No wonder people desert Audi for elsewhere. VW Golf GTD have had these engines available for several months now. What a wait in store. It will therefore be over a year after the new A3 first became available.
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    [May 7, 2013]
    Tell me about it, I've been wanting to order my A3 for months now and I have seriously thought about getting the new Golf GTD, even the seat Leon has the 184ps engine available, I really can't understand why it is being released so late in the year. It's very frustrating because all the media literature say early spring/summer. Orders should have started now for August delivery.
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    [May 8, 2013]
    Hi lookything I can remember migrating to Audi from VW's probably six years ago. Since then I have had two A3's and a TT all ordered new. At that time, six years ago, I did ask whether Audi were they going to release a new style A3. The golf had at the time had a face lift. These things take time to cogitate. It will arrive, but not then I was told. I drive currently the 170ps TDi so I did not want to drop down in performance but above all I like torque. To add even further misery Audi appear to play with their customers, like a cat playing with a mouse. It is a mystery why Audi have decided to delay the release of the TDI 184 ps. What do you do. It would be nice to actually be able to speak to somebody at Audi Uk to get our frustrations spelt out to them. Customer services at Audi are by their nature impotent. I guess I will have to wait but I don't like it. I see there are equally frustrated S3 potential customers. What the situation for the saloon will be I dread to think. Perhaps somebody at Audi might read our forum. What are your thoughts going forward?
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    [May 8, 2013]
    According my copy of the ETKA parts catalogue which was updated yesterday there are various versions of the A3 3-door and Sportback including front-wheel drive and quattro version with and without an s-tronic listed as starting production 05/13. Quite when any of these will reach the UK is anyone's guess. Hopefully soon.

    I have an 8P 2.0TDI-170 s-tronic Sportback at the moment and I'm not sure I would want to go down in power. I had a test drive in a new Skoda Octavia 2.0 TDI-150 DSG for a couple of hours this afternoon and it did seem a bit underpowered compared with my existing A3 but it had only done 720 miles. The other odd thing was it had the DSG but without any steering wheel paddles which I tend to use all the time. It felt very odd. I understand they are a £300 option of the Octavia. Next week I will have a new Golf 2.0 TDI-150 DSG SE for a day so it will interesting to see how that compares.
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    [May 8, 2013]
    As frustrated as I am I will have to wait till August to order the A3, I'm currently driving a 211bhp TT so am not prepared to lose so much power going down to the 150bhp A3 nor do I want to compromise on cabin quality getting a Golf GTD. I've spoken to Audi customer services and was met with a blunt response telling me it's available in summer and that's it. My local dealer was very helpful but only because the senior managers had just returned from Germany the previous day.
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    [May 8, 2013]
    Hi once again lookything I see that you are of the same mind . I too could not drop down in power. I test drove the TDi 150 I must admit I was impressed but it just lacked that extra oomph. I also drove the 1.4 TFSI which I thought was a similar performer. My current SPB 2.o TDi 170 ps i find a good all round performer, pulling well even in sixth gear. The 180ps petrol was not available to test drive so I don't know what that was like. Where I live there are plenty of demanding hills hence I will stick to a turbo diesel. Nice to see the feed from member h5djr perhaps that feedback provides some comfort. I too had a very flat response from Audi's customer service like, why are bothering us? Very poor. One thing for sure that Audi will be aware by now that out there are many unhappy people who are fed up being kept in the dark. My dealer very professional and respectful of customers concerns has done his best to convey that to them.
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    [May 9, 2013]
    Popped into my dealer yesterday to see if they have any updates - nothing. But he did say lead time on the new shape A3 SB in general is 4-5 months now, such is demand. Maybe they are delaying the introduction of further models because they can't keep up with demand for the models released so far..? I also sat in a new Mazda 6 tourer yesterday... 2.2 diesel, 174 PS, low emissions and amazing MPG, comes with pretty much everything for £28k - similarly specced A3 would be £35k+, OK it's not got Quattro but nor do any A3 diesels at the moment - so this car makes loads of company car sense (Plus 2.2 gives better business mileage rates than 2.0). Going to test drive next week. I need to be placing an order by end of June, so if there is no sign of 184 Quattro A3, then it may be the Mazda if it drives well..
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    [May 9, 2013]
    That's a crazy amount of options. An S-line, S-Tronic 2.0Tdi Sportback is £26k. So £10k is a lot of options if that's that is required.

    I had a sit in a Mazda 6 estate today as it happens, and I did like it. Good looking car, with a good spec like you say. Quite a long wait though I think, as they're all made in Japan.
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    [May 15, 2013]
    Not really, by the time you have the more powerful diesel engine, quattro, leather, metallic, and a few other choice options. If you include all the advanced safety options that are available in the Mazda then you will easily hit £35k. Unfortunately, this is all rather academic, as Audi seem to have removed any quattro options from the UK price list (I'm sure the 1.8TFSI was listed as available with quattro last time I looked), and I spoke to my leasing company today (biggest in the UK, so they may have more of an idea on availability than local dealers) and they are saying expect an end of year delivery for an A3 ordered today - let alone any not on the pricelist (like the 184 tdi quattro). I'm going to have to go elsewhere, which is a real shame as I so wanted that car! Maybe look at an A5 SB quattro - although a bit big for me, or Alfa Giulietta, as I still can't really see myself in a Mazda no matter how much sense it makes!
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    [May 19, 2013]
    Hi. I too am waiting to order a Sportback S-Line Quattro with the promised 184ps engine, and have been for months... I did have a hi spec AP model delivered Jan '12 but it was damaged during delivery and I rejected it. Instead of re-ordering an identical car I decided to wait for the new model... Big mistake... STILL no confirmed launch of the 184 engine with Quattro in the Sportback. I have however got a friend in Germany who has been researching 'local' Audi forums there. Apparently the 184 is confirmed for launch CW 25, with quattro, BUT... the rumour is that only the front drive will be available with manual g/box; quattro might be DSG only! That would be SO disappointing as I really don't want that 'flappy paddle' gearbox but I do REALLY want the 184 Quattro... Audi do seem to be missing a trick by restricting spec choice... I am already really frustrated and if the rumours are true they will be losing another very disappointed customer to a competitor...
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    [May 19, 2013]
    Looking my ETKA parts catalogue for 184ps versions, all the quattro models are using the s-tronic gearbox. It seems like it's now Audi's policy to only fit the modern s-tronic gearbox rather than the 'old fashioned floppy stick and pedal" gearbox to all quattro models through their whole range. Have you ever driven a 'floppy padel' version. My current A3 is a 2.0TDI-170 with the s-tronic. I drive in tiptronic mode all the time and will no silly clutch pedal to have to keep pushing down it's great. But each to his own and it seems like Audi will not be producing a 184ps quattro without the s-tronic. They do list versions with the 184ps engine with a manual gearbox but only in two wheel drive.
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    Hi PembsA3, h5djr and all the followers to this thread, I wish there was more we could do to get Audi to wake up. it is really frustrating waiting for your turn to come round to be able to put an order in with Audi for the version of car you want. That is a sportback TDI 184ps with or without quattro or plus or minus s-tronic. It is interesting to get some feedback from our German Audi Forums. The only real information I can offer is that I have seen a feed from the Audi system to Dealers called 'Desktop' that says the 184ps manual and s-tronic versions for both the sportback and 3 door A3 will be available in Summer 2013. There was no mention of a Quattro version for those versions mentioned, but could be to follow ie latter in the year. As to what constitutes Summer 2013 is anybody's guess. So week 25 from the German Forums might be just that. I think Summer starts June 20th therefore would that be week 25. It is interesting reading different views posted about the so called lag on the s-tronic box. I currently drive a manual 170 ps TDI Sportback and have no experience of the s-tronic. I have therefore booked a test drive on a TFSI 1.8 s-tronic to see for myself. I am still set on having a 184ps TDI though.
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    [May 19, 2013]
    The latest I got from a Seat dealer was that although they can order the 184ps version of the Leon and Leon SC customers are looking at November delivery at the earliest, maybe even into next year. The word is they're having problems with this engine so I don't think it's an issue of Audi getting round to their turn rather than them taking a more cautious approach before committing to customer orders.
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    [May 19, 2013]
    Hi neilmcl, I understand that the VW Golf GTD is currently open for orders for the 184ps diesel engine. To my knowledge I have not seen anything that suggests that they are holding back on this. That does seem to suggest that VW/Audi Group do not have those concerns as the Seat arm although they are part of the big group. All very confusing and unfair to potential customers keeping them dangling. I know there have been some subscribers on this site who have opted out of waiting and gone down the VW GTD route perhaps they have some more knowledge they could pass on.
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    [May 19, 2013]
    The information in ETKA gives 5/13 as the 'mounting date' for the 184ps engined versions. Mounting data usually means the start of production. In most cases RHD versions are usually around 6 months later than the LHD versions for Audi's home market. So it looks as if will be towards the end of 2013 before any models start to appear in the UK.

    As I have a 2.0TDI-170 at the moment I will be interested to try one of the new 184ps version, but I think I will probably go for the 150. Fortunately my existing A3 is only 15 months old so I'm in not rush to change.

    All the same type of engines used throughout the VAG Group are produced in the same factory.
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    [May 19, 2013]
    I'm thinking of the 150PS and perhaps a tuning kit or something - not really sure yet if that's too much of a risk or not.
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    [May 19, 2013]
    Taking orders is one thing, like the VW Golf GTD, Seat are also taking orders for the Leon, that doesn't mean that they'll be delivering any time soon. I could be wrong.
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    [May 19, 2013]
    Slightly comforted to know I am not the only frustrated wannabe 8V owner... I think it is crazy of Audi to go down the road of reducing choice when so many other manufacturers seem to be falling over themselves to offer so much MORE choice to prospective customers... Why can't I order the same/equivalent spec as my [damaged on delivery] 8P SB S-Line Quattro 170 MANUAL in an 8V? What makes even less sense is that it looks like you will be able to have a manual 184ps TDi as long as you have front drive only, whereas Quattro means S-tronic only.... Really regretting not ordering a replacement 8P now... Grrrrrr...
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    [May 20, 2013]
    Perhaps Audi have looked at the number of manual gearbox quattro versions they have sold in the past and decided it is not financial viable to produce both a manual and an s-tronic version of the quattro gearboxes.
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    [May 20, 2013]
    Last 5 years have had me driving 8P 170BHP S Line Quattro's and have just loved the performance/economy balance it gives me and I was all ready to go for either the 150 BHP Diesel or the 140BHP ACT SLine Sportback

    But the new GTD being available now with the 184PS & DSG on the new platform with all the standard options as well as being able to add DCC Sat Nav and Winter Pack stole me away and it is ordered.

    - Just thought at end of day I would miss the power too much.

    - This is not to detract from the A3 as I love it too, particularly this 8V on the similarly new platform, and I can very much see me coming back to Audi again but given absence of 184PS on A3 at this time and the whole package of GTD then I am one of those loyal drivers swayed (though at end of day VAG lose little)
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    [May 23, 2013]
    It's all very disappointing. I have loved my 170 SB Quattro, and so much wanted a new one of the same. I have now decided that if there is no sign of the 184 quattro in manual by the end of June, I too am going to go for the Golf GTD 184. I'll sorely miss the quattro - but be very happy with the 6% points reduction in tax for Golf (109g Co2 rather than my current 135). Lease pricing with plenty of options looks very favourable too.
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    [May 23, 2013]
    Thought about leasing for the first time. Can I ask where you've seen good lease deals for the GTD?
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    [May 23, 2013]
    Try Leaseplan (or leaseplango as they seem to be now).
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    [May 27, 2013]
    184ps engine now available to order in Germany for 2250 euro's more than the 150ps. I hope when it hits the uk its not going to be £1900 more than the standard 150ps! A remap only costs £400-500!
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    [May 27, 2013]
    Is that for the non-Quattro version? Yes £1900 is a hefty premium!

    I'd expect a similar uplift from the 8P 140 to 170.
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    [May 27, 2013]
    Yeah thats for the none quattro version
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    [May 27, 2013]
    The 184ps would of been my first choice had it been available when I placed my order, but I'm sure I'll be happy with the 150ps when it arrives. I do think the £1900 premium is a little steep though and may of been a sticking point.

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    Same - would have liked the 184PS but delay and cost made me go for the 150PS instead - I'm sure it'll be perfectly fine really and was probably the sensible option for me anyway, and if I feel like remapping it or adding a tuning box down the road then that's an option too.
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