I watched the BMW M and RS theft - why did the alarm not make any noise on both models?
I think you were just watching a video without sound...
I watched the BMW M and RS theft - why did the alarm not make any noise on both models?
You're the one berating everyone for causing "hysteria and panic" (your words) based on no evidence, yet you casually toss in sentences with the word "fact" preceding them, based on no statistics nor fact!
Are you now saying that an equal number of cars would have been stolen, if they had conventional keys?
Head definitely in sand
References for cars stolen in 2012 using technology to bypass/clone Keyless Entry cars::
"Between 1 January 2012 and 1 March 2012, 154 BMW vehicles have been stolen from across the Midlands Region."
"The thief then enters the vehicle when the coast is clear and uses a device on the vehicle which programs a blank key."
from: Warwickshire Police Press Release: http://www.safer-neighbourhoods.co....cles-without-keys-across-the-midlands-region/
“The thief uses a device on the vehicle which programmes a blank key”
from BBC Watchdog http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/jB77dRvB9C6PQHX46htHpy/bmw-open-to-car-theft
"The thieves accomplished this by accessing the BMW OBD port in the footwell by breaking the glass, reaching in and using a device to reprogram a blank key fob."
"BMW doesn't seem to want to admit they have a problem, even though over 300 cars have been stolen in March 2012 in a single UK county."
from: http://www.autocar.co.uk/forum/any-other-business/stolen-bmw-1m-cctv and
http://www.networkworld.com/article...r-theft--3-minutes-to-steal-keyless-bmws.html
"Most of the cars were being taken by using hi-tech gadgets available through the internet that could steal security data from a targeted car’s on-board computer and programme it onto blank keys." - West Midlands Police
from: http://www.expressandstar.com/news/...ds-police-recover-stolen-top-cars-worth-2-5m/
"BMW had a significant security problem with some of its models produced between 2007 and 2011, which made them fairly easy to steal for high-tech criminals armed with the right electronic gadgets."
from: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/crime/bmw
In this particular period (early 2012), with those particular models, it's pretty irrefutable that a BMW keyless car, was far easier to steal, than one with a conventional key.
more cars are stolen because they leave their keys accessible within the house and I have provided evidence
.... and I am surprised there are that many keyless bmw's up there, by this method, compared to the total number of cars stolen over a year by having the keys, is tiny and insignificant.
It seems to me, because they haven't got something, in this thread, an invention and distortion of the facts take place and panic seems to set in. People these days seem to form an opinion based upon little facts and because 'they heard a man in pub taking about it', or in Facebook, when, in reality, if they bothered to actually think about it the penny would drop...
I don't think an OBD lock is the answer really. If they've got that far, a small lock isn't going to put them off. I was wondering about a fake OBD port (moving the real one elsewhere) that puts a large current down anything you plug into it and fries their equipment... though you'd have to remember to switch them back when you take the car back to the dealers!!
Sorry, I didn't realise it was against the law to discuss the same thing more than once!
Just to confirm, the RS4 in question here did have Advanced Key / Keyless, but even if it did have a conventional key, it would probably still have been taken, just would have required a little longer in time.
Though I did notice this post from you veeeight:
See, you do speak sense most of the time!
What the 'have not's' can't seem to realise that since keyless systems and increase security have come in...
I'll throw this in the mix:
There was a spate of Audi thefts in Aberdeen last year, most were with the emergency plastic key left in the glovebox, the rest were with keys stolen from the property. These were thefts by little joyriding scroats and not professional thieves. They were caught after boasting about it in Facebook.
Last month 3 high-end cars (R8, etc) were stolen from Aberdeen Audi. I've not heard any more about them but they were most likely stolen to order, don't know if they used keys or not.
For the record I don't have & don't trust Keyless at the moment.
If you have time: watch this: https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity12/technical-sessions/presentation/verdult
"A keyless car has advantages in security"
Such as?
Read back and think about what you have to have to start a keyless car..."A keyless car has advantages in security"
Such as?
Yeah, every car thief comes with a free laptop and the technical knowledge of how to bypass the security, I think not, it is only organised gangs who are doing this. I also wonder what happens when they programmed the car to think there is a key present and the car stops, say because the start/stop kicks in, do they then have to reprogram the car again? I also think that, as these thefts are in the minority, carried out by gangs, because they have individuals who have different roles, they can attract more attention than the casual and more common taking of a car by use of the key.Because they think every thief is technologically sound and won't break into your house to steal the advanced key.
If you can't be bothered to read back though the thread and work it out, why should I, however think about what many people do with their cars when they are severely iced up and 'keyless'.As has already been established, not the keys. But you can do it with the keys as well.
Thats an additonal attack vector.
How are you defining "advantage"?
Well I get bored easily, unlike stealing cars with keyless being easy which,of course, it isn't because the easiest way of stealing a car is by stealing the key, which happens most of the time. Which, again, is the easiest thing to do...
1: the risk is exactly the same, so having keyless doesn't make it easier.Two simple questions, please answer them to give any credence to your stance:
1. How is stealing a normal or a keyless key any different?
2. Keyless offers an additional attack vector over a normal key, how does that equate to better security?