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Advance key - easy theft

Discussion in 'New A3/S3 (8V Chassis)' started by Twizzler, Aug 13, 2014.

  1. Twizzler

    Twizzler Active Member

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    Owners of keyless cars may not wish to read the full page article on page 22 of yesterday's Daily Mail. The cost of the kit to steal the car is around £20 for the blank fob and little box of plug in electronics. Available, as always, from your friendly internet suppliers and certain locksmiths. I didn't specify this system for the very reason that it removes the added protection of the mechanical operation of a key. Three things I would recommend: Make sure your car really is locked when you exit it - if someone nearby has designs on it the car may not lock when you think it has. Buy the best steering wheel lock that fits and use it. Garage your car at your home at night and if not then park it out of sight if at all possible.
     
  2. The Challinor

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    Yer I read that, if true very worrying!
     
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  4. monopole

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    Meh. If they want your car, keyless or not, if prepared, they're gonna get it.
     
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  5. Leeber

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    It's the Daily Mail ffs! If you believe everything you read in that modern-day mein Kampf you'd end up thinking that there's a bogus asylum seeker on every street corner waiting to rape your children. As monopole says, if someone wants your car, they'll get it one way or another.
     
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    2000 cars stolen in London in July alone, Met police figures not Daily Mail. Largest increase for several years. Mostly modern cars too.
     
  7. MatthijsR

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    My dad has an Evoque and last service (last week) he got a security software update which makes it a lot harder to "hack" the car.
    Bet other brands have this aswell or will follow soon.
     
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  8. Leeber

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    Sure, and it really sucks to be one of those victims, I don't mean to play down what a horrible experience it must be to have your pride and joy nicked. But to put those numbers into perspective, there are something like 2.6m cars registered in London. It's going to be where the most car crime happens (along with every other major urban area) and there are so many factors that determine whether or not it's your car that gets targeted.

    If you're worried about it then sure, do some research, talk about it with like-minded people on forums such as this and hopefully get it into some sort of objective perspective where you can make up your own mind. Don't let the ill-informed writings of a DM hack worry you or spoil your enjoyment of your awesome car though. Whipping people up into a frenzy is how they earn their money!

    Admittedly, I haven't read the piece so this is just my (extremely prejudiced, ill-informed) opinion but I suspect that if keyless entry systems really do present a significant security risk then insurance providers will start to pressure the automotive industry to take steps to mitigate it or at the very least ramp up the premiums for cars that do have them spec'd.
     
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    That's what insurance is for after all.

    and it's 'Advanced' key, not 'Advance' key... the latter doesn't make sense!
     
  10. veeeight

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    The problem is that EU Directives have forced the manufacturers to share the security information with third party suppliers (so that you can get a spare key form Joe Bloggs Garage down the road) - thus once this information is in the public domain .......
     
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    Do you have a Push-Button start Car?!
    Posted April 24, 2014


    The police are reporting a massive increase in electronic car theft, particularly of high spec German cars and most commonly of those with a button start.


    On the 8th June 2011, an EC Directive was issued that effectively made every car with a button start easier to steal.

    The European Commission Regulation (EU) No 566/2011 compels all manufacturers to release security information to independent garages so they can work on any car unimpeded.

    Virtually anyone with a laptop could access this information. Criminals can easily purchase a handheld OBDII reader online to download the security information from the ECU and start the car’s engine. Without a steering wheel lock or an electronic steering wheel lock, the car can then simply be driven away.

    Trackers help, but not that much because the cars are quickly ‘containerised’ or dismantled for parts.

    The police advise that the best way to combat this is with your own steering wheel clamp or with a modern interpretation of a ‘Krooklock’.
     
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  12. veeeight

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    #12 veeeight, Aug 17, 2014
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    Lets just say im glad I'm too poor for a start-button :thumbs up:
     
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    Make sure you read the link posted to the other thread, its a worthy read.

    I can understand the EU directive, however they should allow the buyer to opt in or out rather than force it on them.

    Software updates do make it harder to crack, but sometimes its only 1 step ahead, or even 1 step behind a thief. If they want your car they're going to try all sorts.
     
  15. cuke2u

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    I remember when cars could be knicked with a 50p screwdriver...
     
  16. s3_trev

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    Well...maybe, but I know I do everything in my power to make it as difficult as possible for any would be thief. So a "they are gonna get it if they want it" attitude is kinda lazy IMO.
     
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  17. monopole

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    *cry*
     
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    I think that everyone is forgetting cars with a key are only slightly more secure than keyless anyway.....
     
  19. A3_Rider

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    Why'd you make monopole cry :crying:
     
  20. carl-1968

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    Brought 3 steering wheel locks (sold secure type) one for each car, highly visible and a good deterrent to casual car thieves as one is normally on the drive.
     
  21. The Challinor

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    My mates first car was a Suzuki swift and no joke once we got back from Magaluf and he'd lost his keys, we used a tea spoon to open the door and drive it off.
     
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    Might manufacture a realistic looking steering lock that just rests on the wheel but looks the business... should be enough to put people off at least :p
     
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    Quick question If keyless cars are so much easier to knick, why aren't insurance companies asking if a car is keyless or not and then charging more to insure keyless models?
     
  24. veeeight

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    Because at present the measure is Thatcham Cat 1 Alarm and Immobiliser, which they conform to.
     
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    Exactly so if the people who have to pay out on any claims aren't worried about it been an issue I am not going to let it worry me, as the original article says they've still got to get in your car in the first place which is the hardest bit and the same problem for the thief, regardless if car is keyless or not.
     
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  26. Filumo

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    just fyi I had this in my m5. I was selling it and some guys who came to view managed to clone the signal, came back one night and drove the car away! No broken glass, no keys stolen.. I will never go for this option again - probably the same risk with our cars
     
  27. Liquidfusion-S3

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    No different to them kicking your front door down and stealing the keys.

    Would you rather them endanger you and your family.
     
  28. Filumo

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    My point being that they didn't need to!!
     
  29. Liquidfusion-S3

    Liquidfusion-S3 I fall to peer pressure!

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    Yes exactly, if you had the standard key they would of busted down your front door, pulled our a knife engaging anyone who would of been at home and stolen the keys.
    You didn't have to go through that traumatic experience because you had the advanced key.

    If someone is determined to steal your car, there aren't any limits to what they will do.
     
  30. Filumo

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    Yes but the fact they didn't need to made the theft far easier
     
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    One of the reasons why I don't buy a car that is 'collectable'...
     
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    Liquidfusion-S3 I fall to peer pressure!

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    collectable?
     
  33. cuke2u

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    S3's M5's are what they tend to be after, not lowly 1.4's...
     
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    You would think that all the manufacturers would cotton onto this & make life a little harder the for the scum bags to steal the cars that they manufacture

    Then again, I suppose if they are selling extra parts for all the stolen recovered cars and having to sell & produce more cars that are never recovered ... After all business is business ;)

    A cynic? Me? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

    As always, just my opinion of course ... :hi:
     
  35. Liquidfusion-S3

    Liquidfusion-S3 I fall to peer pressure!

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    It's like that in everything else in life isn't it?

    Why cure the common cold when they could make trillions?
     
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  36. Filumo

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    My m5 was broken up for parts but at least they caught them in the end!
     
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    Ah another cynic! lol :laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
  38. Nimbus265

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    I've had advanced Key/key-less entry on every can since my 2004: Renault Megane CC, Renault Megane Estate, Jag X type, Jag XF, Audi Q5 and S3.

    If they want the car bad enough - they'll have it!
     
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    As above. I'm not going to let thieving scumbags dictate what options I chose on my car. If they want it, they'll have it anyway. That's what insurance is for!
     
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    *bump*
     

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