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just read the thread that was locked, and agree with it being locked theres no need in childish name calling when people are having a discussion, pimp might think im stupid for some off the commemnts ( and bad spelling) i made in the thread, but we where not name calling. All im saying is like the other person said in the locked thread, in my eyes if your born in india your indian if your born in wales your welsh if your born in england your english, IM NOT RACIST but when people have said to indian people to "go back to there own country" ( ive never said that myself) the indian person usually replies " i was born here, this is my country,i have the same reason to be here as you, but when it comes to supporting this country in a war they say ( not aimed at pimp as he has given good advice in locked thread and has not said this himself ) im with india you english deserve what you get, british civilians deserve to die, that is the bit i cannot understand, if i was born in india to english parents i would feel indian as that is the country that i have grown up in, that is the country that i have made friends with, and that is the country where 90 % of my culture has been learnt, if india and england went to war, and i was born in india i would bear arms for india, i may have feelings for england as my parents would be english but i would fight alongside my life long friends ( i would not be able to turn my back on them, let alone kill them) these are the people that i grew up with, the people that i went to school with, the people that i socialise with the people that have giving me my culture and the people i work alongside with, that is why i cannot understand someone that has been born here no matter what colour there skin, turning round and saying that they would bear arms for a country that there only link with is the fact there parents came from it.
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That whole post would be true IF the last line was accurate "bear arms for a country that there only link with is the fact there parents came from it"
But its just completly naive to say that the only link i have with India is simply cos my parents were born there!
For a start only my mum was born India, my dad was born in Africa but came to this country when the Asians were expelled by Idi Amin in the 70's. So my dad was born in Africa, and so was his dad (my grandad). So does that make my dad or grandad African? Does it fu*ck! Does it make ME African? Does it fu*ck! My dad is still Indian, if you saw him on the street you yourself would say he's Indian, and thats exactly what he is. The last word you would use to guess what he is, is English or African.
Secondly, apart from my generation, my whole family tree even if you could trace it back 10000 years would belong in India, thats a lot of ancestors! Also, there is a lot more to it then just that, its my whole culture, ethnicity, tradition, heritage, blood etc that make me Indian, as well as the fact my parents may have been born there.
As far as the hypathetical war goes, i still stick by it. I'm not stupid, one of the 1st things i said in this debate in the BK thread was that this isn't truly our country and never will be, we will never TRULY be accepted as part of this country by 99% of Native White English people, no matter how decent and anti-racist they may be, deep down even they will still feel that this is more their country the it is ours if push comes to shove, its just natural human nature, if you been somewhere longer you feel you have a bigger right to it, and its more your then someone whos only come recently. Also with all the stuff that is happening like drugs and crime that is down to the Ethnic minorities (again i'm not stupid, i realise we are fuc*king up our own chances of living peacfully here), then more and more decent English people are going to start turning to groups like the BNP as a last resort.
My dad never thought that he would have to leave his home and country when he was younger, but Idi Amin suddenly decided one day to kick out all the Asians. I similarly don't believe that is going to happen to me in this country, but i don't need to look further then my dad for a reality check. He says to me 'get a degree in a proffesion, because you never know, 2moro the government might decide they don't want us here anymore, and say sorry but pack ur bags, if that happens at least if you have a degree in a profession then wherever you go in the world you'll be able to get a job'. Now my reply to that is always 'we're not gonna get kicked out', well, you can imagine what my dads response to that is.
The fact is that India is the ONLY country where we will ever be accepted 100%, because it is the only country in the world that belongs to us and is ours 100%. Why would i want to go to war with the only place in the world that truly belongs to me and is my real home?
The truth and the bottom line is that each and every on of us knows that this country doesn't belong to foreigners and immigrants, it belongs to the natives of this country (English, Scots etc). Deep down i know this, and you know this. Most natives of this country still consider us foreigners, and always will. That doesn't mean that i can't still call it my home, and that we can't all get along and live peacfully, because we can, but if push comes to shove, why would i fight for a country that isn't truly mine, and which will never belong to me? It doesn't make sense, when you fight for your country, you are fighting more for the future of it, for the future generations. Sometimes the future of your country and generations are more important then your own life. Why would i want i want to fight and risk my life for a country which doesn't belong to me, a country which i will never be accepted in 100%, AGAINST a country that IS truly mine?
Bainsyboy sorry if u or other people find that offensive, i don't, and i see no reason for others to, its all very well giving an example of if you were born in India what you would do if they went to war with England etc etc, its easy to set the stage and give the example, but in the example you can't recreate the feelings that you can only feel if you actually were in that situation for real, which i am and your not. So its easy to say what you would or wouldn't do in that situation, but until your there you can't say for certain, and you can't say that this what you would definatly do, as most likely your feelings and actions will be different to what you think they will be.
Also, my loyalty to England is very strong as well, like i have said previously the only situation where i would bear arms AGAINST England is if the war was against India. If England were at war with any other country in the World, i would not hesitate to say i would be on Engands side if i had to choose sides. The only instance where England would loose my support is if the opposition was India.
Enough said on this fictional war between India and England, and who'd be on who's side any why. Lets discuss some different issues, i'm gettin bored with this one, i've already justify'd it enough times, but people who don't understand are never gonna understand, and people who DO understand (like JPO) will know where i'm coming from, and are able to see beyond themeselves and their own feelings.