Happy With Revo Stage 2 But Costly News

HHS3

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Hi All,

I dropped off my S3 at VAS Motion in Guildford on Wednesday to go in for a Revo stage 2 remap, giving that it was only £60 to do so for the software and then an hours labour on top. They did the Revo stage 1 remap (B6 F9 T4) and Revo CAI (Ceramic) for me before of which I rate them both very highly as well as the garage, I also had the pre-cat material removed a month ago as well.

I had a P0642/17026/001602: Sensor Voltage A Circuit Low EML come on a couple of weeks ago which I cleared, it came back a week later but then it cleared itself (the car still drove/drives fine). I mentioned it to the guys who said that they'll happily look into it for me before doing the stage 2, but it would obviously add to the labour cost which I said was fine.

It's also worth mentioning that when they did the stage 1 & CAI in April, they did a health check prior to the work of which there was a stored fault regarding the intake manifold. They tried a fix which did the trick at the time and so they carried on with the work.

So an hour after dropping my car off I received a call from VAS saying that they've done some diagnostics and when they scanned the car for stored faults, they found the voltage fault I mentioned above as well as the same intake manifold fault which was present when I went in for the stage 1. After investigating a little further, they concluded that the two faults were linked and that it was due to my intake manifold wearing, causing a drop in pressure which the motor struggles to deal with, leading to the other fault with a drop in voltage (this is all beyond me hence why I may not have explained it perfectly).

Gavin the head mechanic said that it's nothing chronic right now but advised to get the intake manifold and motor (they're both worth replacing together apparently) done before going stage 2, just to cover their @ss I guess. Part are around £500 and it would be four hours labour, so it would be just shy of a grands work which is really ****ing annoying to say the least! Especially when I'm trying to save up for stage 2+ parts (mainly the clutch), Thailand and need the A/C Compressor replacing as well..

I got the stage 2 put on anyway as I'll have the other work done asap and I was surprised at the difference, considering that it's only a 15-20bhp & 20-30lbs increase over stage 1. They changed the settings to B8 F8 T5 and it's only 4500rpm+ where you notice the increased power with an extra push in the back over stage 1 which I'm happy with. I can't wait to see what stage 2+ is like, as it's meant to be more of a jump then from stock to stage 1 which was already a big increase! VAS map it on the road but once I go stage 2+, I'll get it RR after but hats off to them like before, they're really friendly and helpful guys who keep you in the loop and know what they're on about.

I have very little mechanical knowledge so any thoughts on the below please:
  • Could a drop in the intake manifold pressure cause a difficult start up?
  • Could this potentially just be a bad case of being coked up which without taking it apart, make it look like a worn intake manifold instead?
  • Is there a better intake manifold I get could as I don't want the same problem further on down the line?
Cheers.
 
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Sorry to hear your news, I've had a similar fault come up for my intake manifold. EML coming up when a Revo intake fitted, but I believe that's the internal waste-gate on the turbo not seated correctly and needing replaced.

If they are sayign 'long term damage' in regards to the manifold that's something else to worry about, as well as the clutch.

Seems we're in the same boat here!
 
We both haven't had a great deal of luck with our S3's have we! Nothing to the scale of leshkin of course but have still had some very expensive bills to say the least, this ****** better be the last thing for a few years as I've treated her very well and haven't skimped out on anything.

My nearest Revo dealer is VAS Motion (VAG specialist) of whom are great, but it takes an hour to get to them. Storm Devs are only 10 minutes away and are highly rated on both here and locally, they diagnosed my faulty A/C unit FOC and I'm just about to book myself in to get that all done as well as the oil pickup pipe just as a precaution. So whilst they're there I'm going to get them to have a look and see what their thoughts are on the matter.

VAS said that the intake manifold problem isn't chronic at the moment so doesn't need doing urgently, but will obviously need replacing in the near future and especially as I'm running more power through it now. I'll get Storm Devs take on it and go from there.

Hope yours isn't a too costly outcome!
 
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Storm are superb.

Mine is due for a DSG conversion shortly and then some more ECU work.
 
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I have very little mechanical knowledge so any thoughts on the below please:
  • Could a drop in the intake manifold pressure cause a difficult start up?
  • Could this potentially just be a bad case of being coked up which without taking it apart, make it look like a worn intake manifold instead?
  • Is there a better intake manifold I get could as I don't want the same problem further on down the line?
Cheers.

To answer the third point, I've seen the uprated intake manifolds available but these are twice the price and not worth doing seeing that stage 2+ is my (current!) goal/limit.

Anyone's take on the first two would be still greatly appreciated.

Storm are superb.

Mine is due for a DSG conversion shortly and then some more ECU work.

Sounds great mate, bet you can't wait to get her back on the road running 2.1 bar again, especially with the meaty BCS Powervalve now on! I better call them up quick and get booked in asap before they start work on yours haha.
 
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To answer the third point, I've seen the uprated intake manifolds available but these are twice the price and not worth doing seeing that stage 2+ is my (current!) goal/limit.

Anyone's take on the first two would be still greatly appreciated.



Sounds great mate, bet you can't wait to get her back on the road running 2.1 bar again, especially with the meaty BCS Powervalve now on! I better call them up quick and get booked in asap before they start work on yours haha.

The cheapest of the uprated manifolds is probably the Integrated Engineering one,but you'd still be at nearly £1k,and as you say,for no real benefit on a Stg2+ car.

Intake coking can get pretty bad,but I doubt it would cause the problems you're seeing.

Mine needs a pile of things doing....
The DSG conversion.
ECU then needs some mapping changes,and time to integrate the Syvecs with the DSG.
Then Andy has a lot of things ready for the ECU that weren't done on mine at the time as it was the first TFSi fitted with it.
 
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The cheapest of the uprated manifolds is probably the Integrated Engineering one,but you'd still be at nearly £1k,and as you say,for no real benefit on a Stg2+ car.

Intake coking can get pretty bad,but I doubt it would cause the problems you're seeing.

Mine needs a pile of things doing....
The DSG conversion.
ECU then needs some mapping changes,and time to integrate the Syvecs with the DSG.
Then Andy has a lot of things ready for the ECU that weren't done on mine at the time as it was the first TFSi fitted with it.

I had a look at the IE intake manifold and whilst it is a nice bit of kit, it is a tad overkill for my needs as you say.

Didn't think I would be so lucky with only needing a decoke, I was just not liking the thought of having to spend a grand for something that isn't even contributing towards stage 2+ haha!

Exciting times, I wonder what new tricks Andy has got up his sleeves for the Syvecs now then.
 
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I had a look at the IE intake manifold and whilst it is a nice bit of kit, it is a tad overkill for my needs as you say.

Didn't think I would be so lucky with only needing a decoke, I was just not liking the thought of having to spend a grand for something that isn't even contributing towards stage 2+ haha!

Exciting times, I wonder what new tricks Andy has got up his sleeves for the Syvecs now then.

Mine was pretty horribly coked up before I got that issue sorted,but never caused any starting or running problems,just a gradual loss of power.

I think Andy has a lot to come in terms of torque,and also integrating a DSG box into the system(Syvecs has DSG control as part of it's setup),and also torque ramping etc to prevent the risk of damage to the box.
 
Mine was pretty horribly coked up before I got that issue sorted,but never caused any starting or running problems,just a gradual loss of power.

I think Andy has a lot to come in terms of torque,and also integrating a DSG box into the system(Syvecs has DSG control as part of it's setup),and also torque ramping etc to prevent the risk of damage to the box.

Ahh I see, I'll get Storms take on it and prepare myself for the worst! One of the things on my long list of bits to do is to fit the Forge PCV Plate Delete to help with the carbon build up. I know that this doesn't resolve the issue by a long shot and that a complete Forge Catch Can system which bypasses all of the breather pipes is the only way to do this, however the latter comes at a price. So I'll just get the Forge PCV done at the same time as the intake manifold.

That all sounds very complicated to me which means it's good! I wouldn't mind seeing your beast in the flesh, especially as you'll only be 10 minutes away so I'll have to keep an eye out, sure I'll hear you a mile off ;)

Slightly off topic but have I remembered correctly in saying that AMD Tuning sourced you your Spec 3+ clutch? I've looked on Spec's website of which only Backdraft Motorsport and Garage Whifbitz are mentioned as UK dealers, I can't see anything on AMD's website either. I'm currently thinking of a Sachs Organic Clutch & LUK DMF for stage 2+ however both you and others have advised that organic clutches don't take too kindly to launches. Now I rarely do them to be fair but the odd time I want to burn someone, I would like to do so at stage 2+ without the worry of eating the Sachs, so I'm debating whether to fork out the extra £300-£400 for a Spec stage 2 or 2+ clutch so that I won't have to think twice about doing it.
 
Man, we're dropping like flies recently! Sorry to hear the expensive news mate, hope you get it sorted soon.

In case you're interested in a used unit, my original engine is still with Storm, which has my original intake manifold and the motor, which are in perfect working order as far as I know.
 
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Ahh I see, I'll get Storms take on it and prepare myself for the worst! One of the things on my long list of bits to do is to fit the Forge PCV Plate Delete to help with the carbon build up. I know that this doesn't resolve the issue by a long shot and that a complete Forge Catch Can system which bypasses all of the breather pipes is the only way to do this, however the latter comes at a price. So I'll just get the Forge PCV done at the same time as the intake manifold.

That all sounds very complicated to me which means it's good! I wouldn't mind seeing your beast in the flesh, especially as you'll only be 10 minutes away so I'll have to keep an eye out, sure I'll hear you a mile off ;)

Slightly off topic but have I remembered correctly in saying that AMD Tuning sourced you your Spec 3+ clutch? I've looked on Spec's website of which only Backdraft Motorsport and Garage Whifbitz are mentioned as UK dealers, I can't see anything on AMD's website either. I'm currently thinking of a Sachs Organic Clutch & LUK DMF for stage 2+ however both you and others have advised that organic clutches don't take too kindly to launches. Now I rarely do them to be fair but the odd time I want to burn someone, I would like to do so at stage 2+ without the worry of eating the Sachs, so I'm debating whether to fork out the extra £300-£400 for a Spec stage 2 or 2+ clutch so that I won't have to think twice about doing it.

AMDTUNING would certainly be able to get a Spec 3+ and fit it if you needed,and it stood 4yrs worth of well over 450lbs here.
 
Man, we're dropping like flies recently! Sorry to hear the expensive news mate, hope you get it sorted soon.

In case you're interested in a used unit, my original engine is still with Storm, which has my original intake manifold and the motor, which are in perfect working order as far as I know.

Cheers mate, yeah there seems to be a run of bad luck recently but hopefully that is it now!

As for your offer on your old intake manifold and motor, that sounds absolutely mint thanks bud! I'm 100% interested in this, I'll ask Storm to double check it over and providing everything is ok with it, then I will definitely buy these off you so will PM to sort out :)

AMDTUNING would certainly be able to get a Spec 3+ and fit it if you needed,and it stood 4yrs worth of well over 450lbs here.

Awesome, I'll have to give AMD a call then to see what they can do for me.
 
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