I'm sorry to say that as long as Ford keep producing cars that look like that and don't start recruiting people who can style a car then they and Vauxhall will forever be playing in the same sandpit. They also do not have the edge on build quality these days.l am a car fan foremost....l love fast fords....l love the thought of being a Audi S3 owner soon...but dont compare GM cars with Ford cars....although they are both in the same category...the Fords have the edge on build quality and are way ahead in the driveabilty front?
I'm sorry to say that as long as Ford keep producing cars that look like that and don't start recruiting people who can style a car then they and Vauxhall will forever be playing in the same sandpit. They also do not have the edge on build quality these days.
Yeah, I'd imagine Ford'll really struggle to sell these due to their poor design...
If Ford designed and specced the car to the standard that some are calling for, it'd cost £40k plus and would have propellers, rings or a three pointed star on the front.
As it is, it's likely going to be a performance bargain and they'll sell a shed-load.
How is it a poor design....elaborate?? its a 5 door hothatch same as a RS3....and to what standard are you referring too....?back up your points of view...Trust me the build quality gap aint that wide...these days
l aint on the Ford Soap box here....l have just gone and ordered a NEARLY £39K S3.....but l aint wearing other Marque blinker's
Good post and hard for anyone to argue any points made As you say for 'the price' the Fiesta ST is a good car and if that price range is your limit it's hard to find anything better.Since my GF got her new Fiesta ST a year ago I have taken more of an interest in Ford as a replacement for my 2012 S3 as its a fantastic package. No the interiors aren't as good a quality but Ford have certainly upped their game with the new Focus, it's much more Germanic with less fussy buttons and the recaros are fantastic! Shame there's no DSG option though.
I know a lot of guys on here are going to slate the Ford as they own/rent an S3, which are brilliant cars and a step above a Focus ST but the price reflects this. The difference between my personal spec of S3 and ST is circa £10k and the difference in quality isn't worth that amount.
As for the new RS, I think it will be an absolute hoot to drive and by the vids it sounds lovely.......it's just not special enough in the looks department. I'm sorry I don't think any petrol head can look at the old RS and not appreciate it and give a little grin. They may not want to own one, or admit to liking a Ford but they couldn't walk past without looking!
I'm in agreement with previous posts and the top level cars in their respective makes/class should be a tad bonkers and certainly 3 door only.
A late well specced RS may be a cheeky investment if folk aren't keen on the new 5 door model.
There's no doubt that Ford will shift far more of these than Audi will of the S3 and RS3.
Price wise it may not be a direct competitor to the Audi models. If it's like previous RS models then it will be a great drive and great value for money. I don't think the two manufacturers are necessarily after the same market. There will be some overlap at the edges though..
We all have different reasons for choosing the cars we buy, the S3 Golf R debate is an example of this, it doesn't mean all the cars you (we) didn't choose are bad cars with huge problems. Or that you (we) necessarily bought the best car.
This car will be a huge success and I'm sure the owners will love it, the RS owners club is pretty special too.
Before Audis I've always liked fords.
But I just don't like the Burberry interior.
Before Audis I've always liked fords.
But I just don't like the Burberry interior.
I'm sure they'll sell a few but I'm afraid trying to compare it with 'other' cars as has been done is a waste of time. It just doesn't evoke that special....something. If you're after a cheap performance car then great, but at over £30K it just isn't going to be a cheap performance car for most who can afford one.Yeah, I'd imagine Ford'll really struggle to sell these due to their poor design...
Alas, the way they could have styled this car would not have increased the cost.If Ford designed and specced the car to the standard that some are calling for, it'd cost £40k plus and would have propellers, rings or a three pointed star on the front.
It certainly doesn't evoke the spirit of the old RS models which always succeeded on being a cut above the XR3i et al models, so on that note they've failed. It just isn't an Escort either. They have lost that whole era where people really would crowd round RS and Sierra Cosworths. I can remember how that felt and that's something you just can't put your finger on. Je ne sais quoi.Look at Mk2 RS prices, especially as a FWD car, and tell me it was a failure.
It's on the correct ****** side as well.Proper handbrake too, in the new RS.
Win.
shhhhhh
(But I agree And what if the A45 AMG Black comes out..... I truly can't wait for that one! )
The history of that Ford lineage is one thing, what they have now is another. They lost it when they completely lost their way in the 90s so I can understand why they'd be pressuring auto writers to try and reconnect them.This article and video on Fast Fords doesn't help either
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/history-ford-rs-pictures