Londons T charge
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Thank you for using the T-Charge checker. Your vehicle is not subject to the T-Charge.
Your vehicle meets at least the Euro 4 / IV standard (Euro 3 if you are a motorised tricycle or quadricycle).
The classification of your vehicle may change if Transport for London receives information regarding its emissions that shows it does not comply with the T- Charge emissions standards.
Last paragraph leaves things a bit iffy.
Thank you for using the T-Charge checker. Your vehicle is not subject to the T-Charge.
Your vehicle meets at least the Euro 4 / IV standard (Euro 3 if you are a motorised tricycle or quadricycle).
The classification of your vehicle may change if Transport for London receives information regarding its emissions that shows it does not comply with the T- Charge emissions standards.
Last paragraph leaves things a bit iffy.
does it apply to oil burners or both.....my old bus is ,
Thank you for using the T-Charge checker. Your vehicle is not subject to the T-Charge.
Your vehicle meets at least the Euro 4 / IV standard (Euro 3 if you are a motorised tricycle or quadricycle).
Thank you for using the T-Charge checker. Your vehicle is not subject to the T-Charge.
Your vehicle meets at least the Euro 4 / IV standard (Euro 3 if you are a motorised tricycle or quadricycle).
My car is not subject to the t-charge and also meets required emissions standards, is exempt from the scheme or is subject to 100% discount in Low Emission Zone (LEZ).
Now, it’s finished there.
“Your vehicle may also be affected by the tighter emissions standards of the forthcoming Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) which may come into effect from as early as 2019, subject to consultation.”
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Now, it’s finished there.
“Your vehicle may also be affected by the tighter emissions standards of the forthcoming Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) which may come into effect from as early as 2019, subject to consultation.”
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Taxing the poor as usual.
same model here but 2001 none quattro and they want the extra ten quid off me, good job I don't fancy going anywhere near London if I can help it.
same model here but 2001 none quattro and they want the extra ten quid off me, good job I don't fancy going anywhere near London if I can help it.
It's all relative - higher wages in London are offset by the ridiculously high cost of living, so the notion that people living in London are somehow better off or rich is a myth. Sure, number of wealthy households is higher here, but for most of us this is just another stealth tax that is going to hurt the already struggling families.
I get that the pollution is really bad in the city and something needs to be done, but extra 10 quid per day is not likely to seriously affect the levels of traffic. If the mayor was serious about it, the T-charge would have been 50 or more, or introduce a complete ban to really deter people from driving highly polluting cars there. As it stands, it's just another tax and nothing to do with reducing pollution levels... If it does manage to lower them, then it will be a side-effect.
Being Euro 3 on a 2003 AVF Passat I'm outside all the other Euro 4 limits except for CO .
What's your A4 AVF , CO , HC+NOx , NOx and PM values as found inside the V5C ?
It may seem VAG changed emissions of vehicles in 2004 in anticipation to the Euro 4 standards in 2005 .
Other cars and manufacturers may be good on emissions even before this like a 2002 3.0d BMW X5 , no T charge !!
With the confusion I bet some have unnecessarily px'd for a new / newer car .
How can a 2002 2 ton ? 3.0 derv Chelsea tractor have less emissions than a 2003 sub 1.5 ton? 1.9 fuel effient derv ?
It screams emissions cheat device on the BM .
With the confusion I bet some have unnecessarily px'd for a new / newer car .
How can a 2002 2 ton ? 3.0 derv Chelsea tractor have less emissions than a 2003 sub 1.5 ton? 1.9 fuel effient derv ?
It screams emissions cheat device on the BM .
http://equaindex.com/equa-air-quality-index/
Makes for interesting reading...
According to their data, a 2014 EU6 compliant (apparently...) BMW X5 3.0TDI has a real world air quality reading of H, which translates into 12x the EU6 threshold....or more importantly, roughly 4 times the limit set by EU4.
Don't have earlier years to know how bad a 2002 is...doubt it is better though..!
In contrast a BMW 5 Series with the same 3.0 TDI engine built in 2017 has a rating of A+, which translates into being EU6 compliant.
Not sure whether manufacturers like BM have been cheating like VW, or just got very good at gaming the test, but either way determining the tax based on what the car achieved during a obviously flawed testing regime is pretty ridiculous...But I guess that's why they have started rolling out real world emissions testing as of last month.
At the same time, despite massive variation in even EU6 diesels real world emissions, it's hard to argue that reducing EU4 and lesser petrol and diesels wont have an impact on reducing air pollution.
How you go about achieving that (in this particular case through increased taxation) is the messy politics bit...
Appreciate the sentiment, but can't see this reducing the levels of pollution much.
Not many people running cars that old are prepared to pay the £11.50 daily congestion charge as it is, so don't drive in. Any contractor running an old van will just add it to the invoice they submit to their client.
Net, after all the costs of running it, i'd be surprised it breaks even.
I note that the soot chucking Black Cabs are exempt - the worst offenders of visible pollution in my experience. The, RMT Union sponsored, Sadiq Khan wouldn't want to upset the cabbies now would he...
Not many people running cars that old are prepared to pay the £11.50 daily congestion charge as it is, so don't drive in. Any contractor running an old van will just add it to the invoice they submit to their client.
Net, after all the costs of running it, i'd be surprised it breaks even.
I note that the soot chucking Black Cabs are exempt - the worst offenders of visible pollution in my experience. The, RMT Union sponsored, Sadiq Khan wouldn't want to upset the cabbies now would he...
See slide 21:
- Rules around setting fares and picking up passengers mean taxis cannot sensibly be incorporated into a road charging scheme like private hire vehicles
Bit vague on what this actually means, but I guess a Taxi driver has no choice but to enter the ULEZ zone if that is where a passenger wants to go, and increasing the fare for this one trip seems unfair to the customer. For an elderly or disabled person, the taxi might be the only means of travelling to that point. Charging them more, or the taxi driver more when neither has a choice is not a great solution to me....
As such, a different approach had to be used to tackle pollution from taxis, which is why all new Taxi's sold from Jan 2018 have to be the new TX5 model, which is an EV with a petrol range extending generator, much like the BMW i3 models.
And some data on the effect of the congestion charge from the Centre for Public Impact:
https://www.centreforpublicimpact.org/case-study/demand-management-for-roads-in-london/
I'm scratching my head over this chaps exempt from T charge 2002 3.0d X5
Euro 4 emission limits (diesel) , source the AA
CO – 0.50 g/km
HC+ NOx – 0.30 g/km
NOx – 0.25 g/km
PM – 0.025 g/km
Chaps actual V5C info
CO – 0.087 g/km
HC+ NOx – 0.660 g/km
NOx – 0.637 g/km
PM – 0.083 g/km
Everything exceeded except CO .
Yet using the government's T charge checker he gets..
"Silver BMW X5 D SPORT AUTO
Thank you for using the T-Charge checker. Your vehicle is not subject to the T-Charge.
Your vehicle meets at least the Euro 4 / IV standard (Euro 3 if you are a motorised tricycle or quadricycle)."
Euro 4 emission limits (diesel) , source the AA
CO – 0.50 g/km
HC+ NOx – 0.30 g/km
NOx – 0.25 g/km
PM – 0.025 g/km
Chaps actual V5C info
CO – 0.087 g/km
HC+ NOx – 0.660 g/km
NOx – 0.637 g/km
PM – 0.083 g/km
Everything exceeded except CO .
Yet using the government's T charge checker he gets..
"Silver BMW X5 D SPORT AUTO
Thank you for using the T-Charge checker. Your vehicle is not subject to the T-Charge.
Your vehicle meets at least the Euro 4 / IV standard (Euro 3 if you are a motorised tricycle or quadricycle)."
Ha.....
Clearly they think an X5 is a motorised tricycle....
Hang on it doesn’t even meet EU3 standards...!
Euro 3 emissions standards (diesel)
CO: 0.66g/km
HC + NOx: 0.56g/km
NOx: 0.50g/km
PM: 0.05g/km
This was implemented in 2001.....
You sure those figures are right mate...?
God knows then.
I’m unsure why it doesn’t meet the EU3 criteria, but I think that was introduced in 2001, and cars have to adhere to the set thresholds 1yr after there introduced apparently. Guess that could be why...?
As to why it’s exempt from the T-Charge...
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Gazwould, What's your A4 AVF , CO , HC+NOx , NOx and PM values as found inside the V5C ?
My CO 0.199
Nox 0.424
HC & NOX 0.457
Particulates 0.024
My CO 0.199
Nox 0.424
HC & NOX 0.457
Particulates 0.024
2003 AVF Passat Euro 3 .
CO 0.181
Nox 0.313
HC & NOX 0.340
Particulates 0.040
Lower values except for particulates , I'm not exempt from charge .
CO 0.181
Nox 0.313
HC & NOX 0.340
Particulates 0.040
Lower values except for particulates , I'm not exempt from charge .
What a kerfuffle that's got to be Euro 4 , there will be some form of media reporting on this debacle .
I think that "checker" can be a bit hit and miss, I would be very suprised if a 2006 Golf isn't Euro 4 compliant.
You can check the emission standard on the V5C, if it's Euro 4 or higher you are exempt.
There are quite a few old petrol cars (2001+) that are exempt, the vast majority of manufacturers switched to EU4 for petrol by 2002. Diesel took a little longer.
It would be way too complex if they looked at individual values and real life emissions, the only straightforward way of charging is to do it based on that DVLA emission compliance.
