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hi guys I was wondering if any of you had a superchips remap,had one on my Vectra vxr and couldn't fault it,i know a lot of people rate revo but there double the price of superchips.
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Not had a superchips map but I am running a zip tunning stage 1 as I was thinking much the same as you about the price of these big name maps seems mental
Had mine for around 3 months now and can't fault it at all
I'd say do some reaserch online reviews etc, and if your happy go for it
Had mine for around 3 months now and can't fault it at all
I'd say do some reaserch online reviews etc, and if your happy go for it
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http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/S4S530TFSISupercharged.pdf
Looking at the power curves it looks pretty similar to other stage 1 maps.
Looking at the power curves it looks pretty similar to other stage 1 maps.
My stage 1 map was 20-30 above both those figures (my gearbox is tuned to shift at 7200 and I made peak power on stage 1 at 6960 rpm) and started out with much lower values (320hp and 431 NM) at stock. I'm APR tuned...
Unicorn motor developments in Stockport have a very good reputation and are tried and tested.
A map is something that really shouldn't be skimped on, things can go very wrong very quickly!
A map is something that really shouldn't be skimped on, things can go very wrong very quickly!
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Your right,booked in for a revo map on fri,heard lot of good things about them and they do a lot of development
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New to all this remapping/tuning malarky, and looking for my first S4 Avant. Can a 2015 S4 Avant be remapped by the likes of MRC, Revo now? From reading previous threads on mapping it sounded like the newer B8's could not be tuned/mapped. When I eventually find the dream car I'm unlikely to do anything immediately, but having experienced first hand the power and silky drive of @Tashfeen 's glorious S4 saloon 
I may find myself doing some modification sooner than I had thought!!
I may find myself doing some modification sooner than I had thought!!
New to all this remapping/tuning malarky, and looking for my first S4 Avant. Can a 2015 S4 Avant be remapped by the likes of MRC, Revo now? From reading previous threads on mapping it sounded like the newer B8's could not be tuned/mapped. When I eventually find the dream car I'm unlikely to do anything immediately, but having experienced first hand the power and silky drive of @Tashfeen 's glorious S4 saloon
Cheers mate. Glad you liked the car and the drive. 2015 S4 is B8.5 and is tunable, very much. So, start saving as you've got the ASN bug like we all did and it ain't cheap
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^^ What XP said. And to further support the above whilst I was at MRC there was a guy with his S5, CREC engine who came all the way from Germany for map - MRC are good and know their stuff. I would highly recommend Doug and team.
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I do and I'm stage 2, although my map isn't yet available commercially as far as I know
If you want a walk-in solution at the moment, it's MRC, Unicorn and someone else down south who I can't remember as far as I know. Not checked with Revo recently...
I do and I'm stage 2, although my map isn't yet available commercially as far as I know
MDM Technik in Marlow who are Revo tuners
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That I am not sure @arad85. When I went to see Mark (MDM) I asked about B8.5 Stage 1+ map and he said they do. I didn't ask about CREC engines, which I believe is 2015.
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At the end of 2016 a company called Flashtec which sells a tool branded CMD announced that it now supported the SIMOS 16 ECU used in the CREC engine. Within a very short time Unicorn, Celtic and MRC announced their support for the CREC engine. The implication is that they use the CMD tool.
Prior to this I had been in touch with APR, MRC and Revo. APR were not planning to support CREC, I guess primarily because it is only installed in a relatively low number of cars in North America such as the A6 and A7. MRC were actively working on it (I assume they were trying to crack the SIMOS 16). Revo told me they planned to support CREC but wouldn't start until the end of 2016 or more likely later. I saw on their Facebook page earlier this year that they had started work on support, but have seen nothing since.
Now that we are in Summer 2017 the situation has not changed much. APR is now able to support CREC (I don't know if they cracked SIMOS 16 themselves or are using CMD) but for some reason have not done so beyond their prototype cars (one of which is owned by @arad85 ). Revo have not announced that they support CREC so I suspect that they do not yet. So right now I believe that anyone in the UK with a CREC engine (and that means cars built from Spring 2014) can only get a remap from Celtic, MRC and Unicorn.
There was a post on the MRC Facebook page from a guy from Germany who drove to the UK to get his car remapped, so it looks like the situation is worse in mainland Europe. Based on comments from Australians on Audizine they have no options at all, so maybe there are parts of **** which also have no choice. At least in NA there is now at least one tuner (not APR) offering CREC remaps.
Of course if anyone can name other tuners who support CREC, please mention them.
Prior to this I had been in touch with APR, MRC and Revo. APR were not planning to support CREC, I guess primarily because it is only installed in a relatively low number of cars in North America such as the A6 and A7. MRC were actively working on it (I assume they were trying to crack the SIMOS 16). Revo told me they planned to support CREC but wouldn't start until the end of 2016 or more likely later. I saw on their Facebook page earlier this year that they had started work on support, but have seen nothing since.
Now that we are in Summer 2017 the situation has not changed much. APR is now able to support CREC (I don't know if they cracked SIMOS 16 themselves or are using CMD) but for some reason have not done so beyond their prototype cars (one of which is owned by @arad85 ). Revo have not announced that they support CREC so I suspect that they do not yet. So right now I believe that anyone in the UK with a CREC engine (and that means cars built from Spring 2014) can only get a remap from Celtic, MRC and Unicorn.
There was a post on the MRC Facebook page from a guy from Germany who drove to the UK to get his car remapped, so it looks like the situation is worse in mainland Europe. Based on comments from Australians on Audizine they have no options at all, so maybe there are parts of **** which also have no choice. At least in NA there is now at least one tuner (not APR) offering CREC remaps.
Of course if anyone can name other tuners who support CREC, please mention them.
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We have defiantly done a couple of BETA cars and all was very good. However have not finalised for release yet.
My advise would be to visit the local Revo dealer and get them to send a request over based on your own cars specific ECU I.D and version number. At which point, we can then see if there is a file yet for your own ECU.
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Or click the form here, then click the Development Program tab and fire over your details - http://www.revotechnik.com/product-details/software/audi/s4/300/in-development/
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had my s4 remapped with a revo map on fri by STADT TECHNIC in Trafford park and cant fault them,sam ran us to Trafford centre and picked us back up when it was done,car was quick before its now really quick.thanks to revo steve for helping sort it out.
Just make sure you have an ice bucket attached to supercharger al the time to keep it cool and for you to enjoy the max power from the map
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Just kidding, have fun with the remap bud. I am sure you're going to love the car after the map.
P.S. kidding about the ice bucket but not about keeping supercharger cool. That decrease in power has really hit me very hard
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P.S. kidding about the ice bucket but not about keeping supercharger cool. That decrease in power has really hit me very hard
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Just kidding, have fun with the remap bud. I am sure you're going to love the car after the map.
P.S. kidding about the ice bucket but not about keeping supercharger cool. That decrease in power has really hit me very hard
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Team chav are always happy to help with the tried and tested cut your own holes in your bonnet system
Team chav are always happy to help with the tried and tested cut your own holes in your bonnet system
Seriously started thinking about it now. Orders Carista ABD adapter and bought OBD Fusion to start monitoring. I am taking my time to looking at different options; Mercracing; APR and Revo chargercooler. More inclined towards APR but will see. I can be a pain when it comes to making a decision. Have a bit of a habit of overthinking
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Seriously started thinking about it now. Orders Carista ABD adapter and bought OBD Fusion to start monitoring. I am taking my time to looking at different options; Mercracing; APR and Revo chargercooler. More inclined towards APR but will see. I can be a pain when it comes to making a decision. Have a bit of a habit of overthinking. It is likely I am driving up north end of this month. Would be nice to see your beast if I did and you are around.
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Haha yeh me too over think then totally change my mind usually
No problem mate give me a shout I'm usually kicking about not too far, there's even a local mac dees we can go sit at with all the corsa vxrs
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The issue we saw with other Charge coolers options using a separate pump was that they actually pump the fluid round the system too fast to offer effective tuning, not only this but the pricing is far higher on other kits.
We designed our Charge cooler system and did all the R&D in house at Revo, as we do with all of our hardware, the details are shown below, it's a fantastic kit and in fact awaiting next batch having sold out again, ETA mid-July.
Revo Charge Cooler System
Overview
The Revo Charge Cooler System is a direct replacement kit that offers enhanced cooling capabilities to maximise the performance of your vehicle.
The Audi 3.0T V6 engine is a compact power plant before tuning, with Revo Stage 1+ Software and a Revo Pulley upgrade you can expect to see figures up to 442BHP (415PS, 330KW) and 610NM (450LBFT) of torque throughout the rev-range, transforming an already powerful car. The supercharger on the 3.0T engine shares the coolant system with the rest of the engine, this causes temperatures to rapidly climb when driven at high speed for long periods or in hotter climates, these high temperatures cause the car to reduce power as a safety parameter, resulting in loss of performance.
The Revo Charge Cooler System enhances the engines cooling capabilities, giving access to more power for a longer period of time. The direct-fit standalone system has unique features that optimise the entire cooling system, a larger heat exchanger, the addition of a dedicated coolant reservoir and custom silicone hoses and fixing brackets. The Revo Charge Cooler System offers more consistent and lower intake temperatures, especially at the top end of the rev range.
Benefits
More Surface Area
To achieve more effective cooling, the heat exchanger has a much larger surface area than the OEM part and has over 50% more volume. The increased amount of coolant within the system means it has more to work with, effectively slowing down how quickly the OEM pump needs to move the coolant around and giving it more time to cool in the heat exchanger.
Optimised End Tanks
The Revo engineers did not want to only increase the size of the cooler, but to ensure that it operated more proficiently than the stock part. Each end tank has been designed with specifically placed bars that evenly distribute coolant throughout the cooler, allowing more time for it to dissipate heat while in the core.
Reservoir
Standalone System
As a standalone system with a dedicated reservoir, the Revo Charge Cooler System operates far more efficiently, introducing more coolant to the system and reducing pressure on the OEM coolant pump. Dedicated to cooling the Supercharger alone, the Revo system also allows the rest of the engine to cool itself more efficiently. The system has been designed with subtlety in mind and will fit directly in to the engine bay without any need for modifying.
Brackets and Hoses
Silicone Hoses
As well as the brackets and fixings, the Charge Cooler Kit also comes with Cad designed silicone hoses to re-route the coolant. Manufactured using automotive grade silicone and the highest quality polyester fabric, the hoses are built with four plies to ensure optimum strength and reliability.
Testing
Cooler temperatures
Temperature testing was carried out to ensure that the new Revo system was doing its job. Carrying out consecutive high-speed runs of 0-160mph, the team were able to mimic the extreme scenarios that result in high intake temperatures and subsequently a loss of power. This was done at a private test track rather than on a dyno to ensure airflow was realistic. It was also noted that when at normal driving speeds there was a reduction in intake temperatures of between 3-6°C with the Revo charge cooler fitted, compared to the same run with the OE cooler. The graph shows the 1st and 5th of 5 back to back runs with both the stock heat exchanger and the Revo Charge Cooling System. Each run was 0-160mph and air temperatures ranged from 17 - 20°C, with the Revo charge cooler system remaining 12° C cooler than the Stock system after the 1st Run.
We designed our Charge cooler system and did all the R&D in house at Revo, as we do with all of our hardware, the details are shown below, it's a fantastic kit and in fact awaiting next batch having sold out again, ETA mid-July.
Revo Charge Cooler System
Overview
The Revo Charge Cooler System is a direct replacement kit that offers enhanced cooling capabilities to maximise the performance of your vehicle.
The Audi 3.0T V6 engine is a compact power plant before tuning, with Revo Stage 1+ Software and a Revo Pulley upgrade you can expect to see figures up to 442BHP (415PS, 330KW) and 610NM (450LBFT) of torque throughout the rev-range, transforming an already powerful car. The supercharger on the 3.0T engine shares the coolant system with the rest of the engine, this causes temperatures to rapidly climb when driven at high speed for long periods or in hotter climates, these high temperatures cause the car to reduce power as a safety parameter, resulting in loss of performance.
The Revo Charge Cooler System enhances the engines cooling capabilities, giving access to more power for a longer period of time. The direct-fit standalone system has unique features that optimise the entire cooling system, a larger heat exchanger, the addition of a dedicated coolant reservoir and custom silicone hoses and fixing brackets. The Revo Charge Cooler System offers more consistent and lower intake temperatures, especially at the top end of the rev range.
Benefits
- Standalone System
- Lowers Intake Temps By Up To 16.5 °C
- 50% Larger Heat Exchanger
- Direct Replacement Kit
More Surface Area
To achieve more effective cooling, the heat exchanger has a much larger surface area than the OEM part and has over 50% more volume. The increased amount of coolant within the system means it has more to work with, effectively slowing down how quickly the OEM pump needs to move the coolant around and giving it more time to cool in the heat exchanger.
Optimised End Tanks
The Revo engineers did not want to only increase the size of the cooler, but to ensure that it operated more proficiently than the stock part. Each end tank has been designed with specifically placed bars that evenly distribute coolant throughout the cooler, allowing more time for it to dissipate heat while in the core.
Reservoir
Standalone System
As a standalone system with a dedicated reservoir, the Revo Charge Cooler System operates far more efficiently, introducing more coolant to the system and reducing pressure on the OEM coolant pump. Dedicated to cooling the Supercharger alone, the Revo system also allows the rest of the engine to cool itself more efficiently. The system has been designed with subtlety in mind and will fit directly in to the engine bay without any need for modifying.
Brackets and Hoses
Silicone Hoses
As well as the brackets and fixings, the Charge Cooler Kit also comes with Cad designed silicone hoses to re-route the coolant. Manufactured using automotive grade silicone and the highest quality polyester fabric, the hoses are built with four plies to ensure optimum strength and reliability.
Testing
Cooler temperatures
Temperature testing was carried out to ensure that the new Revo system was doing its job. Carrying out consecutive high-speed runs of 0-160mph, the team were able to mimic the extreme scenarios that result in high intake temperatures and subsequently a loss of power. This was done at a private test track rather than on a dyno to ensure airflow was realistic. It was also noted that when at normal driving speeds there was a reduction in intake temperatures of between 3-6°C with the Revo charge cooler fitted, compared to the same run with the OE cooler. The graph shows the 1st and 5th of 5 back to back runs with both the stock heat exchanger and the Revo Charge Cooling System. Each run was 0-160mph and air temperatures ranged from 17 - 20°C, with the Revo charge cooler system remaining 12° C cooler than the Stock system after the 1st Run.
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Yes, it's a Bar & Plate design, designed and tested by Luke in house at Revo HQ on our Mustang Dyno and on track at Bruntingthorpe Proving ground - Real world testing, as with all Revo products.
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For clarity, is anyone on this thread actually looking for Revo Stage 1 on their CREC? If so, have you visited your Revo dealer and put a request in yet for your ECU I.D/version and where are you located.
As I've said before we've done development and testing over the past year or more, having an S5 CREC here at HQ and also several other models of CREC cars running in Russia and overseas where we do our extended R&D. Now looking to start finalising ready for full global release.
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About 6 months too late for me Steve. Also I wanted stage 2 and am not keen on the smaller supercharger pulley method.
@Tashfeen - you're probably the same as many of us in preferring to research thoroughly before making a decision. Have you been reading threads about uprating the charge cooler over on Audizine? If not it its worth doing so. There's a thread going at the moment discussing whether or not using an aftermarket pump might be stressing the supercharger intercoolers resulting in leaks.
@Tashfeen - you're probably the same as many of us in preferring to research thoroughly before making a decision. Have you been reading threads about uprating the charge cooler over on Audizine? If not it its worth doing so. There's a thread going at the moment discussing whether or not using an aftermarket pump might be stressing the supercharger intercoolers resulting in leaks.
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No problem, as you know we do extensive testing prior to release of any upgrades, so we know and can be confident that they're proven upgrades all round, for performance, climate and reliability.
As for smaller pulley, the method on the earlier engine was more than proven and gives fantastic and reliable results with Revo and without any compromise.
As for the CREC, this is a completely new engine, ECU, pulley each, all different and therefore fresh from scratch tuning, it already has a smaller SC pulley, much in the way we did on the earlier 3.0TFSi cars but now from factory, so in a way Audi have followed what we and others did on the previous 3.0TFSi supercharged engine.
As I say above, we found that the coolers with separate pumps can be overly efficient at pumping the coolant around the system, they do not offer great cooling as the fluid doesn't get enough time in the cooler itself. Not only this but they are far more expensive too, therefore the Revo kit was found to be more efficient and keener priced due to having less components.
Pretty much all of them @Dippy (or at least the ones that I thought were useful) and since all this is very new to me it is taking longer to translate everything in layman's terms. Threads like "supercharge cooling techniques and options" and Leo's build thread. The two I subscribed to this morning were "Supercharger Intercoolers" and "Anyone gone dual pulley on Revo Tune" threads. And every time something new comes to up, I have to go back to my material to find the link and understand how it all adds up
Would appreciate if you either tag me or drop me a line with any specific ones that I need to have a look at. It took me nearly 10 months to get a tune that I wanted and another 2 to order exhaust and other bits. Chargercooler it seems is going to keep me busy for sometime now
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You surprise me, I assumed that the pulley is the same diameter as previous engines. I estimated that mine was about 63mm by measuring the rim whilst on the car and then subtracting the belt thickness. I accept an error of perhaps 1mm either way, but if so that's not a huge difference. What have you measured it as?
Nevertheless my point is that there's a limit to how much smaller the supercharger pulley can be before belt slip is a risk. Whereas the crank pulley can be made larger to take the supercharger to even higher revs without any such risk. Then there's the additional risk of OE crank pulley failure so uprating the crank pulley can also mitigate this.
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Trust me, the Stage 1+ on th
There is no issues or compromise from fitting the smaller supercharger pulley on the B8/8.5 charger, the Revo kit comes with a new belt, we do it right and the Stage 1+ had over 2 years of development before we brought it to market a good few years back now, so now a very much proven upgrade.
We have owned 4 3.0TFSi Stage 1+ development cars at HQ, all having had a lot of track and road R&D, then global testing in varying climates and on varying fuel qualities. Revo stage 1+ is one of the most popular upgrades we offer globally through over 400 Revo dealers, not only in S4/S5, but other Audi models too.
As for the later CREC engine and our B9 S4 development car, these are in development process and no further details are shared prior to release.
There is no issues or compromise from fitting the smaller supercharger pulley on the B8/8.5 charger, the Revo kit comes with a new belt, we do it right and the Stage 1+ had over 2 years of development before we brought it to market a good few years back now, so now a very much proven upgrade.
We have owned 4 3.0TFSi Stage 1+ development cars at HQ, all having had a lot of track and road R&D, then global testing in varying climates and on varying fuel qualities. Revo stage 1+ is one of the most popular upgrades we offer globally through over 400 Revo dealers, not only in S4/S5, but other Audi models too.
As for the later CREC engine and our B9 S4 development car, these are in development process and no further details are shared prior to release.
