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Gugne said:
Selective quoting- you're just like the newspapers.
What about these facts?:
Bedford stressed the other factors at play, including that Cheese may have feared he was suffering from cancer. Police discovered searches for information about tumours on his iPad and he had had terrible coughs for several months. Cheese had also suffered from some degree of mental ill health since he was 14 or 15, the coroner said.

Bedford deliberately kept Cheese’s ex-girlfriend away from the inquest because he did not believe she was responsible in any way for his death, though the difficulties in their relationship might have contributed to it.
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Do you honestly think then that this garage in no way contributed to this lad taking his own life?! Yes there may have been other factors but if he had a happy work life that may of helped him through his hard times rather than make then 1000x worse. Their behaviour was completely out of order and they should be held partly accountable.
 
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Regardless of selective quoting or otherwise if they are willing to treat a person in such a disgusting and inhuman way I have serious misgivings about the way they would treat my pride and joy. So personally I'll be taking my business elsewhere.

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Gugne said:
Selective quoting- you're just like the newspapers.
What about these facts?:
Bedford stressed the other factors at play, including that Cheese may have feared he was suffering from cancer. Police discovered searches for information about tumours on his iPad and he had had terrible coughs for several months. Cheese had also suffered from some degree of mental ill health since he was 14 or 15, the coroner said.

Bedford deliberately kept Cheese’s ex-girlfriend away from the inquest because he did not believe she was responsible in any way for his death, though the difficulties in their relationship might have contributed to it.
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You've entirely missed the point. Read it again. Given his already tenuous grip and feeling of lack of control over his own destiny, do you really think the events that took place in his workplace had no impact on his decision to take his own life?

These events happened. Reading Audi owe(d) him a duty of care as an employee, and as a young person they had an obligation under the H&S regs to pay particular attention to his wellbeing in the workplace. They have summarily failed to do so, instead permitting a culture of bullying and maltreatment that, and there can be no doubt here, was a direct causal factor in his descion to end his life. No-ones saying he didn't have other issues, but you can bet that spending 6 or 7 days a week with a bunch of bullying vindictive nasty ***** wasn't exactly therapeutic.
 
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James.B8 said:
Do you honestly think then that this garage in no way contributed to this lad taking his own life?! Yes there may have been other factors but if he had a happy work life that may of helped him through his hard times rather than make then 1000x worse. Their behaviour was completely out of order and they should be held partly accountable.
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Possibly the boy failed to mention his mental health problems when he got the job. Had the garage known this then possibly they would have understood that normal horseplay, that other employees would have taken in their stride, would not have been a good idea in his case.
 
GSB said:
You've entirely missed the point. Read it again. Given his already tenuous grip and feeling of lack of control over his own destiny, do you really think the events that took place in his workplace had no impact on his decision to take his own life?

These events happened. Reading Audi owe(d) him a duty of care as an employee, and as a young person they had an obligation under the H&S regs to pay particular attention to his wellbeing in the workplace. They have summarily failed to do so, instead permitting a culture of bullying and maltreatment that, and there can be no doubt here, was a direct causal factor in his descion to end his life. No-ones saying he didn't have other issues, but you can bet that spending 6 or 7 days a week with a bunch of bullying vindictive nasty ***** wasn't exactly therapeutic.
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As I said earlier, did he tell them he had mental problems?

6 or 7 days a week? I don't think they're open 7 days a week. With this sort of exaggeration you should get a job as a journalist.
 
We seriously need a dislike button on this thread.

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Gugne said:
Possibly the boy failed to mention his mental health problems when he got the job. Had the garage known this then possibly they would have understood that normal horseplay, that other employees would have taken in their stride, would not have been a good idea in his case.
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Mental health problems or not bullying is bullying. End of. Setting someone on fire and locking them away isn't horseplay in my opinion. And if he didn't react well to this so called "banter" why did they continue to keep going on at him?!
 
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We seriously need a dislike button on this thread.

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Why? I think it's obvious.
And do you really think I care?
What about a "you are not allowed a different opinion" button?
You could call a "sheep" button for short.
 
Gugne said:
Why? I think it's obvious.
And do you really think I care?
What about a "you are not allowed a different opinion" button?
You could call a "sheep" button for short.
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Maybe you're one of the vicious psychopaths who inflicted such abhorrent abuse on this poor chap or just an internet troll. Nobody should be taking a defensive position for the actions of those responsible for dishing out or permitting the bullying of that poor lad.

Next you'll be telling us Ian Brady was just misunderstood....

Either way you won't get further reply from me.

Frankly you're a waste of my time.



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Gugne said:
With this sort of exaggeration you should get a job as a journalist.
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And with this sort of avoiding answering a simple question and refusing to acknowledge a fundamental truth, you might consider a career in the church.
 
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GSB said:
And with this sort of avoiding answering a simple question and refusing to acknowledge a fundamental truth, you might consider a career in the church.
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One upvote is simply not enough.

Bravo!

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GSB said:
And with this sort of avoiding answering a simple question and refusing to acknowledge a fundamental truth, you might consider a career in the church.
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Your question must have been so inane I must have missed it. Care to repeat it along with the "fundamental truth"?
 
Gugne said:
Why? I think it's obvious.
And do you really think I care?
What about a "you are not allowed a different opinion" button?
You could call a "sheep" button for short.
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I often come across this type of thinking when I read debates on climate science and health research.

Due to often sensationalist headlines (See the Guardian), inaccurate or misinterpreted findings (See nearly all newspapers) and downright inaccurate and made up stuff (See the Daily Mail...), there is a massive air of skepticism surrounding any report. This has in turn led to an adoption of 'truth seeking', and a number of 'truth blogs' proclaiming to be unbiased and purely factual.

This is certainly not a bad thing. Media has always had a political motivation and interpretation of reports, whether they are medical, financial or scientific, has always been skewed. However, what does tend to happen is a complete refusal of any of the conclusions made, and even more damaging is a bunch of nonsense written in these blogs pertaining to understand very complex issues, when in fact they are even more inaccurate than the media articles they seek to refute.

I feel that this is happening here. Rather than incorporate the information from the articles in the media with that from other information, you are just flat out refusing to acknowledge the conclusions drawn from the media. It is obvious to anyone that the dealership should be held accountable for the actions of their staff, and that it would of no doubt contributed to the mental well being of that poor lad that took his life. Was it the only factor. Obviously not, but to deny any of it as merely 'propaganda' or whatever it is you think is very fool hardy IMO.

Which I believe was the 'inane question' posed by GSB at the end of his first paragraph. Do you think the action of the staff no way contributed to the mental health of the lad, and is ultimate decision to take his life?

If you do indeed dismiss it as purely 'banter' and inconsequential to the event, then I think we (along with many many others) have a fundamental difference of opinion...
 
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Gugne said:
Possibly the boy failed to mention his mental health problems when he got the job. Had the garage known this then possibly they would have understood that normal horseplay, that other employees would have taken in their stride, would not have been a good idea in his case.
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Normal horse play isn't locking him up, spraying him with a pressure washer and burning him. What kind of a fool are you? You need to seriously think about what you write on social media!
 
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You'd think that when everyone else in the thread is saying one thing and you are sat on the other side of the fence saying something else, the penny might drop?
 
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Its sad what's happened to him. I play jokes on work experience kids when we get them like go to the plumbers merchant and ask for a 'long wait' but never physically do anything to them.

If the dad noticed that he was covered in bruises or came home soaking one day why didn't go down there or say leave we will find you another job? There's a line and they crossed it.

My nephew last year was moaning on about one of the guys on his work experience playing jokes on him. I did say unless they beat you or put you in danger then this is what its like at work with trades people. Suck it up,ignore or leave? In the end he dealt with it
 
Most work places have a bit of banter, but this went way too far. Like @Raiden said, they crossed the line. What's worse, is the management didn't see or want to see what was happening and failed to stop it. Either way, I won't be using them for my vehicle needs.
 
Raiden said:
I play jokes on work experience kids when we get them like go to the plumbers merchant and ask for a 'long wait'.
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That's they type of banter you expect! Not having your clothes set on fire, being pinned down and repeatedly punched in the leg and all the rest.

I once got asked to get a sky hook and fell for it lol
 
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Mark_86 said:
You'd think that when everyone else in the thread is saying one thing and you are sat on the other side of the fence saying something else, the penny might drop?
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Apparently we are all thick sheep and our new Italian friend is the solitary wise old owl on the forum.

And he sidestepped my questions.

1. Are the papers lying? Yes or no

2. If no, do you agree with what happened is acceptable?
 
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Gugne said:
As I said earlier, did he tell them he had mental problems?

6 or 7 days a week? I don't think they're open 7 days a week. With this sort of exaggeration you should get a job as a journalist.
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Maybe you do work for Reading Audi......

Just saying.
 
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How is setting someone's clothes on fire 'normal horseplay'. If any of my staff did that I'd fire them on the spot.
 
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Trolls will be trolls...

They knew he had mental problems as they made references to him needing to take his 'happy pills' at work
 
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670039
 
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If this was my local dealership, I wouldn't be using them.
 
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