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royalsteve68 said:
Heartbreaking stuff. I used to hide my car key. Wont bother now. How much ???? Wow, mine went up from £340 to £420 last year, will be interesting to see if mine goes up later this year

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Yep, mine is kept in my bedroom and it's here for ease. I should probably keep the spare downstairs in case anything ever did happen. None of our keys are on show, tucked away in a cupboard. My car would be difficult to get to and get out, but that means nothing..

Yep tell me about it, if they turn back and say that it's gone from £2000 to £3500, I will just have to pay it.
 
My wife's car keys stay downstairs but I always take mine up. We have a noisy dog so should be ok. She would go mental if anyone came near the back or front doors. Flies at them already during the day when someone knocks!
It does make you think if it's worth hiding keys for the sake of a car! It can be replaced!
 
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Really really horrible news; what a waste, and for what? Mans life is over, the car was trashed, and is now practically worthless and the perpetrators will hopefully now spend the rest of their lives in jail. No point to any of it.. Failed humans.
 
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It's been playing on my mind, this story.

The robbery we had a few years back -when our cars were stolen - was particularly nasty.
But I always think that nothing too bad happened longer term (bad back and some sleep issues aside).

The insurance coughed up and life moved on.

But not for this poor guy. That could have been any one of us......because you just don't know how you will react if it happens to you.

I bet he had his keys downstairs (they heard noises downstairs). Maybe he thought he would leave them visible?
But........has anyone here ever heard noises downstairs and not gone to investigate? I always do.

I wonder if he read these posts and thought the same about his security?

Surely there is the technology available nowadays to put a stop to this?

God bless you fella. You and your loved ones didnt deserve this for the sake of owning a means of transport.
 
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The sad fact is, he was only 35 so say had another 35 years of life left, the guilty party is likely to get 10 years if that what with acting sympathetic for the judge and jury and will more than likely only serve half of it, and as 4K says, what was it all for in the end, nothing!

As is always said, no parent should ever have to bury their child - I can't even imagine how that must feel, especially in this sort of circumstance. The people that carry out this kind of crime and feel it's ok need to be euthanised as they won't change!
 
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This is a real problem that been brewing for a while now, as we all know. Unfortunately i think this scenario was inevitable sooner or later. Why cant all expensive cars come with trackers that the cops have quick access to? or perhaps devices that can be used to remotely shut off /disable the engine?
 
Mrs Wogan's Lemon Drizzle said:
This is a real problem that been brewing for a while now, as we all know. Unfortunately i think this scenario was inevitable sooner or later. Why cant all expensive cars come with trackers that the cops have quick access to? or perhaps devices that can be used to remotely shut off /disable the engine?
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They do, the trackers that you get fitted... the engines can be disabled by the police. But, they can't while it is driving for 'safety reasons', so unless they switch it off and try to start it again.. it's pretty useless.
 
The law needs to change to empower homeowners to use whatever force is required to stop these sorts of things happening without fear of prosecution

What I mean by this is you should be able to kill those intent on aggravated burglary and the ensuing mental and or physical distress both you and your loved ones will suffer, without having the threat of prison hanging over your head.

Maybe this would make these people think twice about what they are doing.
 
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AudiNutta said:
They do, the trackers that you get fitted... the engines can be disabled by the police. But, they can't while it is driving for 'safety reasons', so unless they switch it off and try to start it again.. it's pretty useless.
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Heh safety reasons, yeah becuase coppers chasing an S3 flat out around your council estate is perfectly safe :S

Surely it could be put into a reduced power "limp mode"?. Another additional option could be a pin code needed for starting the car. Manufacttures need to start recognising this problem IMO.
 
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davc said:
The law needs to change to empower homeowners to use whatever force is required to stop these sorts of things happening without fear of prosecution

What I mean by this is you should be able to kill those intent on aggravated burglary and the ensuing mental and or physical distress both you and your loved ones will suffer, without having the threat of prison hanging over your head.

Maybe this would make these people think twice about what they are doing.
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I dunno, surely it would just up the ante for both victim and thief, with both parties more likely to arm themselves.....
 
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AudiNutta said:
They do, the trackers that you get fitted... the engines can be disabled by the police. But, they can't while it is driving for 'safety reasons', so unless they switch it off and try to start it again.. it's pretty useless.
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Not strictly true with everything, the likes of the Clifford Blackjax pulses the engine down to a stop and then won't restart without the keycode meaning the thieves have gotten a safe distance away from your house at least. Saved a mates RS4 from disappearing.

http://www.clifford.co.uk/ProductPages/Accessories_BlackJax5.html
 
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Mrs Wogan's Lemon Drizzle said:
Heh safety reasons, yeah becuase coppers chasing an S3 flat out around your council estate is perfectly safe :S

Surely it could be put into a reduced power "limp mode"?. Another additional option could be a pin code needed for starting the car. Manufacttures need to start recognising this problem IMO.
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Yep tell me about it. I don't see how killing the engine can be a safety risk, it will slow to a halt albeit with minimal assistance in play.

The car has to be switched off then they immobilise it, it could be in the stripping unit or a container by then but there we go.

There are devices that require a special pin code to be entered, with a sequence of buttons in the car like a password but I'd be worried Audi would void any electrical faults.
 
Sad news, what kind of world are we living in now?
 
Part of the problem these days is that people no longer use a garage to put their car in at night. If the car is not on show outside there is a less chance of thieves attempting to steal it. Even the planning authorities no longer take a garage in to account when determining the number of parking spaces required for new houses. The assumption is that the garage will be used as storage and not for a car.
 
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Yep tell me about it. I don't see how killing the engine can be a safety risk, it will slow to a halt albeit with minimal assistance in play.
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... because you've also then lost vacuum to the brake servo & power assistance to the steering. If you've ever driven a car without either or both you'll know just how difficult a modern car is control especially with the increase in weight & tyre width compared to a Ford Anglia / Mini etc which is light enough to get away without power assistance to both systems.
 
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I dunno, surely it would just up the ante for both victim and thief, with both parties more likely to arm themselves.....
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Well most if not all burglars are armed anyway, but if you/me/anybody "does them in" because we're armed then it is up to us to prove we used reasonable and necessary force, even though they had a weapon.

This is in my eyes all wrong.

The fact that they can forcibly enter your home, terrorise you and your family and make off with your property surely removes any civil rights they have.

In North America, you can legally shoot someone if they enter your home, but that privelege stops at the boundary of your property. We need something similar in this country (albeit without the guns).
 
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davc said:
Well most if not all burglars are armed anyway, but if you/me/anybody "does them in" because we're armed then it is up to us to prove we used reasonable and necessary force, even though they had a weapon.

This is in my eyes all wrong.

The fact that they can forcibly enter your home, terrorise you and your family and make off with your property surely removes any civil rights they have.

In North America, you can legally shoot someone if they enter your home, but that privelege stops at the boundary of your property. We need something similar in this country (albeit without the guns).
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Couldn't agree more, needs to more protection for victims. Failing that, just make sure there is no body :eyes:
 
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I completely agree davc in terms of protecting yourself in your own home. But we shouldn't be in this position in the first place should we.

If the scum are gonna start nicking keys from our homes, then surely we need to find ways of remotely disabling cars after they have been nicked in order to discourage, or at least make it harder for them to use/profit from them after they have initially nicked them.

We already do this with 600 quid mobile phones after all.

If the manufactures where to introduce more measures which would discourage scum from taking cars then we would surely be in a better position. Prevision is better then cure and all that.

Manditory OEM tracker on all cars over X pounds?
passkey/biometric entry/start?
Remote brick of the ECU?
Remote (controlled) shutdown/limp mode?

None of the above is beyond our technical reach.
 
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Mrs Wogan's Lemon Drizzle said:
I completely agree davc in terms of protecting yourself in your own home. But we shouldn't be in this position in the first place should we.

If the scum are gonna start nicking keys from our homes, then surely we need to find ways of remotely disabling cars after they have been nicked in order to discourage, or at least make it harder for them to use/profit from them after they have initially nicked them.

We already do this with 600 quid mobile phones after all.

If the manufactures where to introduce more measures which would discourage scum from taking cars then we would surely be in a better position. Prevision is better then cure and all that.

Manditory OEM tracker on all cars over X pounds?
passkey/biometric entry/start?
Remote brick of the ECU?
Remote (controlled) shutdown/limp mode?

None of the above is beyond our technical reach.
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I completely agree with all those points.

I do wonder however if the reason manufacturers aren't more proactive in this area - is that it is (unfortunately) primarily a UK issue.

Why go to all that expense and hassle when it's not a big issue in most countries you sell your cars.

We have got organised gangs to thanks for the recent spike in thefts.
It had mostly died down until about 2 years ago (cannabis farms were more profitable and less risky)- but it has been steadily increasing since then. Until now - its a massive problem once more.
 
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... because you've also then lost vacuum to the brake servo & power assistance to the steering. If you've ever driven a car without either or both you'll know just how difficult a modern car is control especially with the increase in weight & tyre width compared to a Ford Anglia / Mini etc which is light enough to get away without power assistance to both systems.
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I can't say I've tried to turn the wheel of a servo steering rack yet unassisted haha.
But then you have to question whether it is safer to have them slow to a halt (on an open road) and clip a few hedges or carry on and knock a child over in a village because it was too dangerous for them to lose the assistance systems on an open road with no public around.

I'm thinking of a pursuit situation now, where you see people doing 90 in 30 zones. It's inevitable the police end up T-Packing and bumping the car anyway... it's better off in a hedge, 3 undamaged police cars and nobody hurt.
 
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I can't say I've tried to turn the wheel of a servo steering rack yet unassisted haha.
But then you have to question whether it is safer to have them slow to a halt (on an open road) and clip a few hedges or carry on and knock a child over in a village because it was too dangerous for them to lose the assistance systems on an open road with no public around.

I'm thinking of a pursuit situation now, where you see people doing 90 in 30 zones. It's inevitable the police end up T-Packing and bumping the car anyway... it's better off in a hedge, 3 undamaged police cars and nobody hurt.
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Unfortunately I don't think there's one perfect solution to this, as this poor chap got run over in an urban area which is where most of us live & these vehicles are used. It seems mostly the cars are being stolen to be used by criminal gangs (hence the 4 /5 drs going instead of the 3 drs) rather than joy riding where slowing the car on an open road isn't such an issue. Putting the car in limp mode is probably the safest controlled option as you wouldn't lose the brakes or steering assistance.

Gotta remember there's some bleeding heart liberal who will probably say it's your fault for having a nice car which led this thieving scrote into temptation (naturally from a broken home etc etc) to commit this crime as it's never their fault rofl !!.
 
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Shocking story.

The Police recommend keeping your key upstairs and out of the way. I leave mine downstairs and on the kichen side table. If anyone breaks in while I'm asleep upstairs, I want them to take the keys and get out ASAP. Cars can be replaced. My only wish, is they drive off at high speed, crash, and kill themselves.

When I owned a MK1 Focus RS (when they came out) there were loads of break-in's for the car keys. One poor bloke was writing on the forum, that he was awaken through the night with a knife against his throat, and one against his wife throat. For what? A ****** car!!
 
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It's shocking full stop. I can't get my head around how or why people do this... what must go on in their brain is beyond me.
 
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Daveotto said:
Only just caught up with this thread, and it is beyond sad, my heartfelt sympathies to his family

Plenty of security and if they do get in (CCTV,alarm and good quality door locks etc) the keys are in plain sight (for anyone interested they are on the small set of drawers next to the TV in the TV room!!!!!)

but some people really @Milnesafc

That's exactly what this poor guy tried to do...and he's dead!!!!!!!
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I know mate and it's awful, I'm just not the type of bloke who could knowingly let someone take my motor. I've worked f'ing hard along with others on here to be able to afford my car and I'll be fcked if someone is going break into my home and take it without a fight.
 
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Shocking - truly shocking. None of us know how we'd react in such a situation. Back in 2000 someone tried to steal my Golf by breaking into the house. I heard them trying to break the glass at the side of the front door. Without thinking I ran down the stairs. They saw me and ran off. Lucky me.


A man has now been charged with his murder...

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...s/man-charged-murder-following-death-12962641
 
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Good news.

If there is any karma on this earth I hope those responsible meet a rather unfortunate end themselves and that it isn't quick.
 
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As others said on here, unfortunately you don't know how you will react at a time of extreme stress.
The same person would (I think) also react differently at different times.

I remember telling people when it happened to me - that it's a bit like someone throwing a tennis ball at you at close quarters. You might catch it, or you might duck, or you might deflect it away etc. And the next time you might do something different.

Depends on the circumstances and how quick your body fires up the adrenalin. Then instinct kicks in....unless you have a plan (like a fire drill) which it makes sense to have.
Remember, it's generally about 3am and your half asleep and outnumbered.

My instinct was to defend myself previouly.
But I reckon it may now be difficult for me not to attempt to fight. Coaching boxing for years -
'Hit and dont be hit' is now auto pilot.

BUT you're not going to be in a boxing ring having a fair fight with intruders.

Hence, I do have a plan in place that the Mrs also knows.
 
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Great news on the murder charge, it's how it always should have been. His life was taken for the sake of a 3 mile drive, what a sad story
 
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Firstly I am also shocked by this , and as someone said it was only a matter of time .
I do wonder if he had not challenged and they just took the car would the police have caught them as quick as they have for this terrible act . Of course they will have thrown more resources at this , but shows the detection rate could be higher with the right use of resources.
Looking at the increase in knife and gun crime there seems to be a growing attitude of the value of life.
It is perhaps time for our justice system to be overhauled . I suspect these charge will drop to manslaughter for the driver and much less for the others involved .

My daughters best friend held his 16 year old friend in his arms after some thugs stabbed him , trying to stop the blood. He friend died in his arms
16 years old ! That is the level of attitude of thugs to their victims.
 
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Tom.H said:
The sad fact is, he was only 35 so say had another 35 years of life left, the guilty party is likely to get 10 years if that what with acting sympathetic for the judge and jury and will more than likely only serve half of it, and as 4K says, what was it all for in the end, nothing!

As is always said, no parent should ever have to bury their child - I can't even imagine how that must feel, especially in this sort of circumstance. The people that carry out this kind of crime and feel it's ok need to be euthanised as they won't change!
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Definitely in favour of your latter point. The problem is, this country is too soft to ever implement anything like that.
 
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As others said on here, unfortunately you don't know how you will react at a time of extreme stress.
The same person would (I think) also react differently at different times.

I remember telling people when it happened to me - that it's a bit like someone throwing a tennis ball at you at close quarters. You might catch it, or you might duck, or you might deflect it away etc. And the next time you might do something different.

Depends on the circumstances and how quick your body fires up the adrenalin. Then instinct kicks in....unless you have a plan (like a fire drill) which it makes sense to have.
Remember, it's generally about 3am and your half asleep and outnumbered.

My instinct was to defend myself previouly.
But I reckon it may now be difficult for me not to attempt to fight. Coaching boxing for years -
'Hit and dont be hit' is now auto pilot.

BUT you're not going to be in a boxing ring having a fair fight with intruders.

Hence, I do have a plan in place that the Mrs also knows.
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In many walks of life where we have to deal with high risk situations that may occur, having a plan rehearsed is exactly what we should do. How many people have a plan for if/when there is a fire at home overnight? How many of us have a plan for if/when an intruder comes in for the keys?

I keep my keys upstairs and at night our alarm is in perimeter mode. My plan: Alarm goes off, window open, both sets of keys go out the window as far as I can throw them, panic button summons the police and I lock the bedroom door.
 
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So the guy has endured 'serious injuries' to his face - just so some pr1ck could have a joyride in his A6 for an hour or so.
I hope they catch him and stuff him in a cramped squalid little cell for 23 hours a day.
Do these Pathetic morons really think that's a risk with taking?
Losers!
 
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God help the person who breaks into my home where my 2 month old son sleeps at night, whether it be for car keys or a lampshade.
Disgusting.
 
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And let's hope that it scares away all the other ***** scumbags
 
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Bring 'em back:

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