Facelift Two days with a "Poverty Spec" A3 Cabrio. (S3 broken)

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My S3 had to go into Audi for some minor brain surgery, so I've had the pleasure of sampling an A3 from the opposite end of the scale of spec, options, and performance for a couple of days. It's been interesting and revealing in equal measure, so here's a few thoughts.

The loan car for a couple of days is an A3, with a 1.4 COD petrol engine, 7 speed S&Tonic gearbox and SE trim with absolutely no optional extras at all. It's a basic as an A3 comes, barring one important feature. It's a ragtop!
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Of course it's February in North London, which means drizzle and low temperatures, so there's a significant chance of the roof staying up...

First impressions?
Roof up, it's not a bad looking thing at all. Chopped up hatchbacks are notoriously hard to get looking 'right' when they are hacked about so much. Not surprising when you consider how many of the same cuts would be used to turn an A3 into a pick-up. The "Addison Lee" solid black paint is a bit lifeless though, especially in an overcast car park full of the more vibrantly hued metal normally found at an Audi dealers. Coming from a 3 door S3 on 18's, it looks distinctly light of foot in the wheel department. The 16's are undersized for the car, especially when you consider all the extra bodywork it's carrying about the back end. The polo mint wheels and portly derrière leave the distinct impression of an A3 that could do with a diet and a gym membership.

Unlocking the car reveals the second of the spec deficiencies, no dynamic indicators. This is odd since I'm now so used to the cascade of twinkly lights on the front and rear of my car that I barely notice them anymore, yet the singular amber blink on this car suddenly looks dated and frankly, a bit low rent...

Opening the door reveals the familiar-yet-ever-so-slightly-different interior of an A3, albeit without the leather trimmed super-sports seats I'm used to. Actually sitting in them though highlights that worst kept Audi secret. Barring the leather and the optional electric lumbar support in my seats, these seats feel exactly the ****** same.

The dash is slightly foreign to me now. My Virtual Cockpit has been replaced with more traditional instruments, and dual zone climate control has made way for a fiddly three dial panel that merely blows air at various temperatures and speeds at you, none of which ever meets the goldilocks criteria of being "just right" that users of climate control take for granted. A click on the key motors the MMI screen out of the dash, but when I try to select sat nav to get me back to work, I'm shown the message that will forever label the future owner of this car as a Scrooge like miser every time he or she accidentally hits the nav button when trying to make a phone call;

"the navigation system has not been activated, please see your Audi dealer... you cheap *******"...

A further turn of the key starts an engine that is quiet, much quieter than the already very quiet burble and whine that accompany the S3 engines first rumblings. This is no S car though, and since it's early and I've now got to trawl through stop start rush hour traffic back to the A406 (otherwise known locally as "That F*&kin' North Circular") I can happily do without the extra soundtrack.

On the move in heavy traffic the S&Tonic gearbox does its best, and when accelerating up to normal traffic speeds it's a very good box indeed. But it does a number of things I don't like. It's sometimes jerky when pulling away, especially if you pull away immediately after stopping. Try as I might, I cant get it to be smooth every time, and calibrating my right foot to the pedal is nigh on impossible. Its either jerking, not pulling away smartly enough, or spinning the wheels. It's also regularly in the wrong ****** gear, or rather, not the gear I want it to be in, but the gear some egghead keen to pass Euro 6 laws decided it should be in. Sport mode just makes things worse, as the little 1.4 litre engine just seems to rev its knackers off in an unnecessary and slightly embarrassing manner. Manual mode in traffic is just as ****** annoying, so I concentrate instead on trying to work with the box in Auto mode. Turning off the start/stop reduces the problem, and eliminates another annoyance; That of the engine cutting out as you slow to halt, making the steering very very heavy indeed for the last few feet. I'm also very aware that this car doesn't have the £70 option of Hill Hold Assist, and it's ****** irritating. Some say you don't need it with S&Tonic. I disagree.

One thing that is quite shocking is just how good the basic suspension is. Where my S3 with Magride will drop off a speedhump and then pitch and wallow in comfort mode, or try to shatter bones in dynamic mode, the SE poverty set-up handles them without any fuss at all. Why can't this low speed damping be carried over to the S cars?

Once out of the traffic and moving at more normal speeds. I give the little 1.4 a bit of welly to see what it'll do. I was expecting this particular car to be a bit heavy and gutless, what with it's Kim Kardashian sized **** and I imagine some fairly significant scaffolding underneath holding the car together in the abscence of a metal roof. However it's surprisingly swift, and pulls well too. S&Tonic gearboxes have a habit of disguising lacklustre but peaky power bands though, but even in manual mode it pulls well from low revs and is more than acceptable for speeds up to 90mph or so. This is unexpected. Also unexpected is something else that begins to nag at my mind. I think the steering in this car may be better than the S3. Later, more spirited and less trafficked journeys confirm this. The non-dynamic fixed rate steering has vastly more feel and is more natural to use than the variable ratio dynamic system in my S3.

Other features of the cabin make themselves known as my journey to work continues. I'm constantly looking over my shoulders to see if a door or window is open, but it's just the ragtop leaking noise from outside into the cabin. I'm no stranger to soft-tops having owned five myself, but this is a bit disconcerting. Audi offer the option of a top with more acoustic insulation, if I were in the market for a cloth roof A3, I'd definitely throw some extra cash at it to quiet the external din. The stereo is also a place I'd spend some extra cash. The standard system is beyond awful. How Audi can offer this junk in a 'premium' vehicle is beyond me, I've got a 7 year old transit van that sounds better.

Finally parking the car up at the office highlights another shortcoming of the fabric roof. Visibility out over the rear quarters is garbage. There's a huge blind spot at each rear corner filled with a vast swathe of canvas. All you can see when you look in this direction is just how small and cramped the rear seats are compared to tin top cars. Reverse camera and parking sensors would be very useful on this car.

In the afternoon the weather breaks just long enough to drop the canvas and enjoy some open top elemental motoring. Before I bought my S3 I had an MX5 which would be roof down whenever possible. It's just such an enjoyable way to drive. Except in this car. I was looking forward to this, but it seems too open and exposed and wind blown, almost like driving a caterham but without the carefully managed aero. It also quickly dawns on me that I'm not driving a rorty two seat roadster with overtly sporting intent, but a slightly awkward looking base edition hatchback with the roof cut off. As such, I look like a bit of a tit.

Night time brings further comparisons, this time with the headlights and drivetrain. The xenon lamps would be considered good, if it weren't for the fact that the new LED lights are vastly better. The Pre Facelift LED's were awful, but the newer one seem to be a vast improvement. The high beam performance is passable. In comparison to matrix lamps though they are hugely outgunned. They work fine, but they're not exceptional by any means. The lack of Quattro means there's a lot of wheelspin on the lousy surfaces we're seeing lately. I suppose I could just slow down though...

After a couple of days it's time to return the car. Whilst filling it up to replace the tiny amount if fuel it's used(often better than 40mpg, which for a loan car driven by me is little short of a miracle) I notice just how far the rear bumper is from the filler flap compared to my 3 door. There really is an awful lot of extra metal hanging out of the back of this car. In my minds eye I try to imagine the back end of a convertible version of the 3 door hatch, and come up with something that looks like a cross between a pram and a PT cruiser. On balance, the saloon body was probably the best canvas to use for a convertible.

So, would I buy one? A look at the price sheet hammers a nail into that coffin.
The list price for this car is £29450, which is roughly £6000 more than the same car with a tin roof, and uncomfortably close to the starting price of £33340 for an S3.

£6000 is a huge premium for what is a pretty crap roof and a letterbox for a boot. If you're after a convertible there are vastly better places to put your money, and you'll get a vastly more enjoyable car. The tin top version for £22525 though? That seems like a lot of car for the money, especially compared to the likes of the Vauxhall Astra, a car which is marginally cheaper, but vastly inferior. I'd definitely upspec the stereo, add HHA, and drop the S&Tonic gearbox though. Otherwise, it'd be a car I could merrily use everyday.

Or at least, that's how I felt until I got back in my S3. The S3 is just overkill, far to powerful, far to fast, and utterly unnecessary, but it's a blast to own...
 
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Great read GSB, cheers!

Didn't realise you are from my neck of the woods..(well sort of). Sales chap that I bought my S5 from moved to the Whetstone dealership so rang him to see if could be tempt me to keep my custom, but unfortunately M25 Audi have always come up short on the discount...particularly Watford Audi...just don't seem to want to sell me a car! Lost out on my S5 sale and potentially were about to make the same mistake when I was looking at the S3. All over about £500-£1k difference in discount...seemed daft to me but then I'm not a car salesman so maybe I'm missing something...

I had a similar experience being loaned a poverty spec A5 ragtop with a 2.0TDI. I had lots of very similar observations. The interior really was a massive step down though...
 
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Great write up!

Share similar feelings after being in a loan Q3.

My only two positives were that non ACC cruise can be set beyond 100 (topped out at 155) and the other was the thin rimmed steering wheel.

After driving the A3 on stilts my S3 feels like a go-kart in comparison.
 
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+1 Great read GSB. In the run up to purchasing my FL I was pricing up Cabrio versions. Having had x2 8P Black Edition Cabrios it seems nothing much has changed for the new platform. Kinda glad I stuck with the Saloon.

You should have given me a call, could have had a coffee.
 
non ACC cruise can be set beyond 100 (topped out at 155)

There's a question that's probably best not answered here, regarding exactly how you happened upon this tidbit of info.... :wtf: :busted cop:

+1 Great read GSB. In the run up to purchasing my FL I was pricing up Cabrio versions. Having had x2 8P Black Edition Cabrios it seems nothing much has changed for the new platform. Kinda glad I stuck with the Saloon.

You should have given me a call, could have had a coffee.
I thought about it, but time was super tight so the option wasn't really available. My car has to go to Watford in a few weeks, so perhaps I can add another tick in the selection box of Audi loan cars and drop by then.
 
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There's a question that's probably best not answered here, regarding exactly how you happened upon this tidbit of info.... :wtf: :busted cop:


I thought about it, but time was super tight so the option wasn't really available. My car has to go to Watford in a few weeks, so perhaps I can add another tick in the selection box of Audi loan cars and drop by then.
You can set it, doesn't mean you have to use it

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My S3 had to go into Audi for some minor brain surgery, so I've had the pleasure of sampling an A3 from the opposite end of the scale of spec, options, and performance for a couple of days. It's been interesting and revealing in equal measure, so here's a few thoughts.

The loan car for a couple of days is an A3, with a 1.4 COD petrol engine, 7 speed S&Tonic gearbox and SE trim with absolutely no optional extras at all. It's a basic as an A3 comes, barring one important feature. It's a ragtop!
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Of course it's February in North London, which means drizzle and low temperatures, so there's a significant chance of the roof staying up...

First impressions?
Roof up, it's not a bad looking thing at all. Chopped up hatchbacks are notoriously hard to get looking 'right' when they are hacked about so much. Not surprising when you consider how many of the same cuts would be used to turn an A3 into a pick-up. The "Addison Lee" solid black paint is a bit lifeless though, especially in an overcast car park full of the more vibrantly hued metal normally found at an Audi dealers. Coming from a 3 door S3 on 18's, it looks distinctly light of foot in the wheel department. The 16's are undersized for the car, especially when you consider all the extra bodywork it's carrying about the back end. The polo mint wheels and portly derrière leave the distinct impression of an A3 that could do with a diet and a gym membership.

Unlocking the car reveals the second of the spec deficiencies, no dynamic indicators. This is odd since I'm now so used to the cascade of twinkly lights on the front and rear of my car that I barely notice them anymore, yet the singular amber blink on this car suddenly looks dated and frankly, a bit low rent...

Opening the door reveals the familiar-yet-ever-so-slightly-different interior of an A3, albeit without the leather trimmed super-sports seats I'm used to. Actually sitting in them though highlights that worst kept Audi secret. Barring the leather and the optional electric lumbar support in my seats, these seats feel exactly the ****** same.

The dash is slightly foreign to me now. My Virtual Cockpit has been replaced with more traditional instruments, and dual zone climate control has made way for a fiddly three dial panel that merely blows air at various temperatures and speeds at you, none of which ever meets the goldilocks criteria of being "just right" that users of climate control take for granted. A click on the key motors the MMI screen out of the dash, but when I try to select sat nav to get me back to work, I'm shown the message that will forever label the future owner of this car as a Scrooge like miser every time he or she accidentally hits the nav button when trying to make a phone call;

"the navigation system has not been activated, please see your Audi dealer... you cheap *******"...

A further turn of the key starts an engine that is quiet, much quieter than the already very quiet burble and whine that accompany the S3 engines first rumblings. This is no S car though, and since it's early and I've now got to trawl through stop start rush hour traffic back to the A406 (otherwise known locally as "That F*&kin' North Circular") I can happily do without the extra soundtrack.

On the move in heavy traffic the S&Tonic gearbox does its best, and when accelerating up to normal traffic speeds it's a very good box indeed. But it does a number of things I don't like. It's sometimes jerky when pulling away, especially if you pull away immediately after stopping. Try as I might, I cant get it to be smooth every time, and calibrating my right foot to the pedal is nigh on impossible. Its either jerking, not pulling away smartly enough, or spinning the wheels. It's also regularly in the wrong ****** gear, or rather, not the gear I want it to be in, but the gear some egghead keen to pass Euro 6 laws decided it should be in. Sport mode just makes things worse, as the little 1.4 litre engine just seems to rev its knackers off in an unnecessary and slightly embarrassing manner. Manual mode in traffic is just as ****** annoying, so I concentrate instead on trying to work with the box in Auto mode. Turning off the start/stop reduces the problem, and eliminates another annoyance; That of the engine cutting out as you slow to halt, making the steering very very heavy indeed for the last few feet. I'm also very aware that this car doesn't have the £70 option of Hill Hold Assist, and it's ****** irritating. Some say you don't need it with S&Tonic. I disagree.

One thing that is quite shocking is just how good the basic suspension is. Where my S3 with Magride will drop off a speedhump and then pitch and wallow in comfort mode, or try to shatter bones in dynamic mode, the SE poverty set-up handles them without any fuss at all. Why can't this low speed damping be carried over to the S cars?

Once out of the traffic and moving at more normal speeds. I give the little 1.4 a bit of welly to see what it'll do. I was expecting this particular car to be a bit heavy and gutless, what with it's Kim Kardashian sized **** and I imagine some fairly significant scaffolding underneath holding the car together in the abscence of a metal roof. However it's surprisingly swift, and pulls well too. S&Tonic gearboxes have a habit of disguising lacklustre but peaky power bands though, but even in manual mode it pulls well from low revs and is more than acceptable for speeds up to 90mph or so. This is unexpected. Also unexpected is something else that begins to nag at my mind. I think the steering in this car may be better than the S3. Later, more spirited and less trafficked journeys confirm this. The non-dynamic fixed rate steering has vastly more feel and is more natural to use than the variable ratio dynamic system in my S3.

Other features of the cabin make themselves known as my journey to work continues. I'm constantly looking over my shoulders to see if a door or window is open, but it's just the ragtop leaking noise from outside into the cabin. I'm no stranger to soft-tops having owned five myself, but this is a bit disconcerting. Audi offer the option of a top with more acoustic insulation, if I were in the market for a cloth roof A3, I'd definitely throw some extra cash at it to quiet the external din. The stereo is also a place I'd spend some extra cash. The standard system is beyond awful. How Audi can offer this junk in a 'premium' vehicle is beyond me, I've got a 7 year old transit van that sounds better.

Finally parking the car up at the office highlights another shortcoming of the fabric roof. Visibility out over the rear quarters is garbage. There's a huge blind spot at each rear corner filled with a vast swathe of canvas. All you can see when you look in this direction is just how small and cramped the rear seats are compared to tin top cars. Reverse camera and parking sensors would be very useful on this car.

In the afternoon the weather breaks just long enough to drop the canvas and enjoy some open top elemental motoring. Before I bought my S3 I had an MX5 which would be roof down whenever possible. It's just such an enjoyable way to drive. Except in this car. I was looking forward to this, but it seems too open and exposed and wind blown, almost like driving a caterham but without the carefully managed aero. It also quickly dawns on me that I'm not driving a rorty two seat roadster with overtly sporting intent, but a slightly awkward looking base edition hatchback with the roof cut off. As such, I look like a bit of a tit.

Night time brings further comparisons, this time with the headlights and drivetrain. The xenon lamps would be considered good, if it weren't for the fact that the new LED lights are vastly better. The Pre Facelift LED's were awful, but the newer one seem to be a vast improvement. The high beam performance is passable. In comparison to matrix lamps though they are hugely outgunned. They work fine, but they're not exceptional by any means. The lack of Quattro means there's a lot of wheelspin on the lousy surfaces we're seeing lately. I suppose I could just slow down though...

After a couple of days it's time to return the car. Whilst filling it up to replace the tiny amount if fuel it's used(often better than 40mpg, which for a loan car driven by me is little short of a miracle) I notice just how far the rear bumper is from the filler flap compared to my 3 door. There really is an awful lot of extra metal hanging out of the back of this car. In my minds eye I try to imagine the back end of a convertible version of the 3 door hatch, and come up with something that looks like a cross between a pram and a PT cruiser. On balance, the saloon body was probably the best canvas to use for a convertible.

So, would I buy one? A look at the price sheet hammers a nail into that coffin.
The list price for this car is £29450, which is roughly £6000 more than the same car with a tin roof, and uncomfortably close to the starting price of £33340 for an S3.

£6000 is a huge premium for what is a pretty **** roof and a letterbox for a boot. If you're after a convertible there are vastly better places to put your money, and you'll get a vastly more enjoyable car. The tin top version for £22525 though? That seems like a lot of car for the money, especially compared to the likes of the Vauxhall Astra, a car which is marginally cheaper, but vastly inferior. I'd definitely upspec the stereo, add HHA, and drop the S&Tonic gearbox though. Otherwise, it'd be a car I could merrily use everyday.

Or at least, that's how I felt until I got back in my S3. The S3 is just overkill, far to powerful, far to fast, and utterly unnecessary, but it's a blast to own...

l needed 4 cans of Red Bull to get me through this post.............lol seriously though Grant sorry yer cars has been Bunkered mate,hopefully you'll get it back soon,as for the loaner,l am afraid this is what Dealers buy for such purposes from Audi....Pauper spec cars...its really like a dealership PCP 's from the makers Audi...no extras....cheap for them to buy and run...and they will sell it on easily and keep the punter minimally happy whilst their car is in the shop,my son had a TT Roadster derv Ultra....S-Line...in Floret stunning it was,only 2 options it had was the VC and B&O...BAW HAIR FROM £40K...new stunning car very nice drive....why make 2 sars so different...both soft tops l will never know
 
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So, would I buy one? A look at the price sheet hammers a nail into that coffin.
The list price for this car is £29450, which is roughly £6000 more than the same car with a tin roof, and uncomfortably close to the starting price of £33340 for an S3.

Where are you seeing these prices? Are you comparing the cabrio with the saloon? If not then its not "the same car with a tin roof". A quick check of the audi uk site shows only a £2600 difference between the 2 A3s. And that starting price for the S3 is that a saloon?
 
Where are you seeing these prices? Are you comparing the cabrio with the saloon? If not then its not "the same car with a tin roof". A quick check of the audi uk site shows only a £2600 difference between the 2 A3s. And that starting price for the S3 is that a saloon?

No, I'm comparing the Cabrio with the 3 door hatch. If the Cabrio was a 4 door it would make for a easier and more natural comparison with the saloon, but since the Cabrio concept shares so much more with the 3 door hatch in terms of its everyday utility than the saloon its a more natural comparison point. The only thing the Cabrio really shares with the saloon is the basic shape of the rear bodywork from rear arches back to the bumper, and even then only up to the belt line. Everything above that is different.

The addition of a couple of a extra sq feet of metal over the backend does nothing for practicality and is done purely because it makes for a slightly more attractive conversion to a soft top. Compare previous generation A3 Cabrio's and you'll see the awkwardness resulting from sticking with the hatchback shape. The new Cabrio offers none of the space advantages of the saloon, offers less space inside than either the saloon or the 3 door and just like the 3 door, you need to be a contortionist to access the rear seats. For these reasons comparison to the three door is more fitting.

The S3 starting price used is the on the road retail price for no frills manual 3 door S3, as posted on the Audi website. The saloon S3 starts at £35995
 
Great write up, I am not to far away myself, head north and turn right at the M25 for a junction

Length of article is obviously inversely proportional to how much you liked the car!!!!!
 
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No, I'm comparing the Cabrio with the 3 door hatch. If the Cabrio was a 4 door it would make for a easier and more natural comparison with the saloon, but since the Cabrio concept shares so much more with the 3 door hatch in terms of its everyday utility than the saloon its a more natural comparison point. The only thing the Cabrio really shares with the saloon is the basic shape of the rear bodywork from rear arches back to the bumper, and even then only up to the belt line. Everything above that is different.

The addition of a couple of a extra sq feet of metal over the backend does nothing for practicality and is done purely because it makes for a slightly more attractive conversion to a soft top. Compare previous generation A3 Cabrio's and you'll see the awkwardness resulting from sticking with the hatchback shape. The new Cabrio offers none of the space advantages of the saloon, offers less space inside than either the saloon or the 3 door and just like the 3 door, you need to be a contortionist to access the rear seats. For these reasons comparison to the three door is more fitting.

The S3 starting price used is the on the road retail price for no frills manual 3 door S3, as posted on the Audi website. The saloon S3 starts at £35995
The 8V Cabrio is actually based on the Saloon platform and both are built in the same factory. Way more parts are interchangeable between the two also, rear clusters and bumpers for example. SB and HB, different factory, share next to nothing outside of some interior bits with Saloon and Cabrio.
 
Great write up, I am not to far away myself, head north and turn right at the M25 for a junction

Length of article is obviously inversely proportional to how much you liked the car!!!!!
Actually, I did quite like it. Theres a lot to like about that car and it really did surpirise me. The 1.4 engine isnt the nicest sounding thing I've ever heard, but it punches well above its wieght, and is easily an engine that you could live with everyday. This was genuinely a bit of a revelation to me.

The steering and suspension on this car were also a delight. I don't doubt for a moment that the S3 suspension setup will be far superior in the twisty sections when really going for it, but in every other respect, the SE suspension was a vast improvement. Same goes for the steering. It's a mystery to me why the S3 steering is so lifeless when the system on the entry level A3 is actually pretty good.

The only things I didn't like were easy to avoid or rectify. The stereo was crap, the heater was effective but a bit agricultural, and the bit that was supposed to be the cars big feature was, all things considered, not really worth having. The back seat was a very claustrophobic and gloomy place to be, and the effects on noise and visibility and poor security that you'd have to live with every day were I think just to much of a compromise. There's far better ways to go open top.

Other than that though, it was a fine car indeed. And I'd happily consider one for myself, or indeed for my parents, whom I need to get a new car for next year. I'd never ever have considered one with anything less than a 2.0l power plant before this test drive but this was far nicer to drive than the middling Focuses (Foci?), Astras and various PSA output that makes up the majority of cars I seem to have delivered from hire fleets these days.

The 8V Cabrio is actually based on the Saloon platform and both are built in the same factory. Way more parts are interchangeable between the two also, rear clusters and bumpers for example. SB and HB, different factory, share next to nothing outside of some interior bits with Saloon and Cabrio.

So I understand Alex. Theoretically then, they should be as different as a Golf and an Ibiza... The point I was trying to make though was that the restricted number of doors and lack of internal space on the cabriolet means despite Audi's "based on the saloon" tag, it has more in common from a buyers point of view with the 3 door HB than the 4 door saloon. After all, the badge on the back is the same, and the huge expanse of cloth roof draws the eye rather more than the saloon-esque flanks. I wonder then if Audi are using the "based on the saloon" as an excuse to justify the eye watering price tag. I drove a proper saloon (PFL 2.0 petrol S Line) not to long ago, and it really didn't feel a great deal different to my car. You'd certainly never guess they were such markedly different cars underneath as the saloon I drove felt very familiar. Even the power deficit wasn't that obvious as I was driving it in London, where it's rather difficult (although not completely impossible ;) ) to deploy 300+hp without someone taking exception to it. Asked to take the Pepsi challenge though, I'm not at all confident I'd be able to guess two otherwise identically spec'd HB's and Saloons apart by driving them alone. That on its own would not have been worth writing about. This particular Cabrio though, felt very different in a few key areas, and not usually in the S3's favour. That surprised me, hence the commentary above.

Next week, I hope to have a blast in the Golf GTE (same engine, but with an electric motor joining the party), and the new Seat Ibiza Cupra 290... With a bit of luck I won't come away thinking I've bought the worst of the MQB hatches available today...
 
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Comedy value as always GSB.

However, your review highlights something very worrying which I've been thinking about for a long while since owning my S3 now. The S3 is a massive disappointment when you think this poverty car has better steering and suspension. I have driven other cars recently like a dreadful Volvo V90 with steering feels that conjur up images of navigating the Titanic, and looks inside that remind one of the old Citroen days, to a Ford Focus which reminds me just how unimaginative and boring the Americans are when it comes to making interiors, much like the Japanese (Honda Civic eugh). Every time I step back into the S3 it reminds me of how much better things are in comparison to garbage like those, but after 2 days driving, I'm bored again. The steering is lacklustre, the suspension is horrendous on B/C roads, and I am not 'thrilled' by driving it, and it suddenly dawns on me that I am wasting a lot of money, and I should just give up and buy a boxy 4x4 wannabe like the rest of the middle aged women of this country.

Catch 22. Can't live with it, can't live without it.

Until they bring out the M series in xDrive, I will probably stick with it, unless I buy a 335d xDrive, which is a glorious car, even if the interior is a bit cheap and crap compared to the S3.
 
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Comedy value as always GSB.

However, your review highlights something very worrying which I've been thinking about for a long while since owning my S3 now. The S3 is a massive disappointment when you think this poverty car has better steering and suspension. I have driven other cars recently like a dreadful Volvo V90 with steering feels that conjur up images of navigating the Titanic, and looks inside that remind one of the old Citroen days, to a Ford Focus which reminds me just how unimaginative and boring the Americans are when it comes to making interiors, much like the Japanese (Honda Civic eugh). Every time I step back into the S3 it reminds me of how much better things are in comparison to garbage like those, but after 2 days driving, I'm bored again. The steering is lacklustre, the suspension is horrendous on B/C roads, and I am not 'thrilled' by driving it, and it suddenly dawns on me that I am wasting a lot of money, and I should just give up and buy a boxy 4x4 wannabe like the rest of the middle aged women of this country.

Catch 22. Can't live with it, can't live without it.

Until they bring out the M series in xDrive, I will probably stick with it, unless I buy a 335d xDrive, which is a glorious car, even if the interior is a bit cheap and **** compared to the S3.
You're thinking about it the wrong way. All cars become boring, tiresome or everyday in the end. That's why people sell them. When I get in the S3 though it feels nice, well built and it's brutally fast. The fact it doesn't steer quite so well as a Golf R, or have a rear end quite so lively as an M140i, or make your ears bleed quite as much as a Civic Type R doesn't mean you've wasted your money, and doesn't mean the S3 is ****. It's just a different set of compromises than the next car. Lotus Elise or Caterham Se7en levels of steering communication are thrilling but not relaxing, so compromises must be made. And trust me, its a great deal better than a lot of cars I've driven in the last 12 months. Until you've parallel parked an old testerossa with no air con in in 30 degree heat, you've no idea just how bad some steering systems can be. The Peugeot 308 with its shirt button sized wheel was just weird, the Astra's lane assist system drives like it's had 12 pints, and no matter how good you tell me it is, I'm really not keen to try out the Steer By Wire system in the new Infiniti Q50. As for Citroen? Just think how bad it would have been if you'd actually bought a Cactus or a Kadjar. Never mind feeling buyers remorse, I'd be wanting to self-harm...
 
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Until they bring out the M series in xDrive, I will probably stick with it, unless I buy a 335d xDrive, which is a glorious car, even if the interior is a bit cheap and **** compared t

Same here, need an X-drive M model to hide my general lack of driving ability and age, but have still got to do the Porsche mid life crisis car in the next few years. 430 & 435 X drives also look half decent but not driven one yet.

The 1.4 engine isnt the nicest sounding thing I've ever heard, but it punches well above its wieght,

I had a pre CoD version in an 8P A3 and it was pretty decent. Strange how you get caught in the power hype, was seriously questioning whether 90BHP in my daughters first new car was gonna be enough.
 
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You're thinking about it the wrong way. All cars become boring, tiresome or everyday in the end. That's why people sell them. When I get in the S3 though it feels nice, well built and it's brutally fast. The fact it doesn't steer quite so well as a Golf R, or have a rear end quite so lively as an M140i, or make your ears bleed quite as much as a Civic Type R doesn't mean you've wasted your money, and doesn't mean the S3 is ****. It's just a different set of compromises than the next car. Lotus Elise or Caterham Se7en levels of steering communication are thrilling but not relaxing, so compromises must be made. And trust me, its a great deal better than a lot of cars I've driven in the last 12 months. Until you've parallel parked an old testerossa with no air con in in 30 degree heat, you've no idea just how bad some steering systems can be. The Peugeot 308 with its shirt button sized wheel was just weird, the Astra's lane assist system drives like it's had 12 pints, and no matter how good you tell me it is, I'm really not keen to try out the Steer By Wire system in the new Infiniti Q50. As for Citroen? Just think how bad it would have been if you'd actually bought a Cactus or a Kadjar. Never mind feeling buyers remorse, I'd be wanting to self-harm...

The S3 isn't ****, oh no. It is just generally very disappointing for 30K. I actually felt far more excited when I had a dready 420 diesel on loan for a week. It made me feel special. However, the S3 beats anything in it's class, which is why I bought one. I don't want bleeding noise, I think a 5cylinder RS3 would have been nice, but couldn't justify that extra 10K for a bit more lip. In comparison, the A45 AMG is ugly, outside and in, and suits boy racers rather than the subtle gentleman like myself. Same goes for the M140 which as I think you've quipped before, looks like a shoe and is generally driven by either incompetent tarts with too much lipstick, or reverse capped hoodlums. Anything else is irrelevant in this class.

Quite agree about the Kadjar, dreadfully hideous car. However, I think I saw a Nissan Juke sport the other day, which might top the list.
 
Same here, need an X-drive M model to hide my general lack of driving ability and age, but have still got to do the Porsche mid life crisis car in the next few years. 430 & 435 X drives also look half decent but not driven one yet.

The 430 sDrive (RWD) is a very fun car to drive, can't comment on the xDrive though. There is quite a bit of difference between the 3 and 4 series in terms of steering and cornering due to the front end setup, and it being a wider car.

Don't think I could ever pull the trigger on a Porsche. Perhaps a 911 Turbo, but doubt I would ever spend that much without considering something a little more audacious if I had the money.
 
Interesting comments by owners on their takes of an S3 and other brands. I am new to the "party" having only owned driven mine for about a.week. First off the steering is as others have pointed out is a bit numb and lacking feel as do most electric assisted steering systems, the VW R is marginally better. As far as the suspension is considered I find the saloon with mag ride and 19" wheels set in auto mode just fine for the roads I drive on (Canada). The comfort mode is too soft and the dynamic only suitable for very smooth or race track type roads, unless you want your tooth fillings to fall out on other road surfaces.
Why did I buy an S3 over the other cars I test drove or considered...VW R, JAG XE, Lexus IS 350 AWD, Merc CLA 45, C 300. and note test drives were for more than hours. The reasons were size, power, Stronic, interior finish, exterior looks, fun factor and nothing so far has shaken those reasons.
You will note I did not consider a BMW.....you would not catch me dead in one.
 
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I have driven maybe 75 different cars over the last year and always think my S3 is a nice place to be and is effortlessly quick if slightly uninvolving.
Some of my favourites were
- a 1ltr turbo/supercharged Focus estate that I had a right laugh in, handled very nicely
- BMW 320d for its sheer get up and go (interior I think is pants, dashboard looks so 1990s imo)
- loads of Golfs, all pretty good fun
- quite a few Audis, all same as really, without a powerful engine they just felt too expensive
- Merc 220d diesel if you liked power sliding on greasy roads (was actually quite scary actually at how easy it did it)
- expensive Merc E class (not AMG) but felt very floaty at high speed
and the worst was probably a Hyundai Tucson which I couldn't tell which way the wheels were even pointing it was so vague.

For £30k ish I don't think there is a better quality/performance compromise than an S3, RS3 too expensive for the difference to an S3.
Would buy a Focus RS if it looked better, Honda Civic TR is too out there, only Porsche I will consider is a Macan S.
 
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I have driven maybe 75 different cars over the last year and always think my S3 is a nice place to be and is effortlessly quick if slightly uninvolving.
Some of my favourites were
- a 1ltr turbo/supercharged Focus estate that I had a right laugh in, handled very nicely
- BMW 320d for its sheer get up and go (interior I think is pants, dashboard looks so 1990s imo)
- loads of Golfs, all pretty good fun
- quite a few Audis, all same as really, without a powerful engine they just felt too expensive
- Merc 220d diesel if you liked power sliding on greasy roads (was actually quite scary actually at how easy it did it)
- expensive Merc E class (not AMG) but felt very floaty at high speed
and the worst was probably a Hyundai Tucson which I couldn't tell which way the wheels were even pointing it was so vague.

For £30k ish I don't think there is a better quality/performance compromise than an S3, RS3 too expensive for the difference to an S3.
Would buy a Focus RS if it looked better, Honda Civic TR is too out there, only Porsche I will consider is a Macan S.
Elaborate on..... £30k...."ish" as it's more like £38k...."ish plus"going by most peoples options on this forum and besides that, just because the S3"s competators are so... called mediocre doesn't mean the S3 is a great car it's a very very expensive good car at best
 
And there lies the problem with people and wants, if people load up a £30k car with 25+% cost options then IMO they are fools (and most likely did iton PCP)............my manual was under £30k on the road with £2k of options - don't miss any of the options I could have had which I accept makes it a cheap S3.
The irony is I don't think the S3 is great at all, it is a car to cover ground in all conditions very quickly and safely, I think the Golf R/RS/TR are probably better "when in the mood" cars however for me it was the best quality/performance day to day new car for the price I paid.
 
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And there lies the problem with people and wants, if people load up a £30k car with 25+% cost options then IMO they are fools (and most likely did iton PCP)............my manual was under £30k on the road with £2k of options - don't miss any of the options I could have had which I accept makes it a cheap S3.
The irony is I don't think the S3 is great at all, it is a car to cover ground in all conditions very quickly and safely, I think the Golf R/RS/TR are probably better "when in the mood" cars however for me it was the best quality/performance day to day new car for the price I paid.
As I've said before, none of us bought a Kia, and therefore none of is ever likely to be called as an expert witness when it comes to being sensible with our money.

As such, it's really not on to call other people fools for making a very slightly different variation of exactly the same decision you've made.

Nor are they fools for choosing to use pcp, cash, gold bullion, pirate booty or proceeds from the sale of grannies. They just used a different method of funding to you.
 
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Fair point, sorry if anybody thought I was out of order.
 
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S3 Cabrio...v...S3 Saloon...Off topic slightly but l configured a S3 saloon with almost the exact same options as the S3 Cabrio....the Cabrio....was £2400 more................its a very expensive ragtop but Audi are giving you a £3500 finance contribution towards it which is pretty frickin good
 
I have driven maybe 75 different cars over the last year and always think my S3 is a nice place to be and is effortlessly quick if slightly uninvolving.
Some of my favourites were
- a 1ltr turbo/supercharged Focus estate that I had a right laugh in, handled very nicely
- BMW 320d for its sheer get up and go (interior I think is pants, dashboard looks so 1990s imo)
- loads of Golfs, all pretty good fun
- quite a few Audis, all same as really, without a powerful engine they just felt too expensive
- Merc 220d diesel if you liked power sliding on greasy roads (was actually quite scary actually at how easy it did it)
- expensive Merc E class (not AMG) but felt very floaty at high speed
and the worst was probably a Hyundai Tucson which I couldn't tell which way the wheels were even pointing it was so vague.

For £30k ish I don't think there is a better quality/performance compromise than an S3, RS3 too expensive for the difference to an S3.
Would buy a Focus RS if it looked better, Honda Civic TR is too out there, only Porsche I will consider is a Macan S.

Wise word and quite agree. The Civic is garish, and the Focus RS is for people who enjoy bad food and Wetherspoons on a friday night.
 
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Elaborate on..... £30k...."ish" as it's more like £38k...."ish plus"going by most peoples options on this forum and besides that, just because the S3"s competators are so... called mediocre doesn't mean the S3 is a great car it's a very very expensive good car at best

Mine was 36 with options but by the time I got finished with the dealers it was around 31 so I'd say it's fair to say that 30K ish is accurate.
 
the Focus RS is for people who enjoy bad food and Wetherspoons on a friday night.

Have you driven one? Knocks the socks off my S3. It's certainly let down by the low rent badges and the Poundland interior, but otherwise it's a fine car.
 
Have you driven one? Knocks the socks off my S3. It's certainly let down by the low rent badges and the Poundland interior, but otherwise it's a fine car.
Nope, I haven't. I'm just going off the disgusting looks exterior/interior. The performance could rival a 911, I still wouldn't buy one, I prefer a rounded package with looks and styling too much.

Have we mentioned the Citroen Cactus in this thread yet?
 
Nope, I haven't. I'm just going off the disgusting looks exterior/interior. The performance could rival a 911, I still wouldn't buy one, I prefer a rounded package with looks and styling too much.

Have we mentioned the Citroen Cactus in this thread yet?

I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it...
 
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I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it...
Has anyone worked out what the textured sofa on the side of the car is for yet? Protecting doors from scratches perhaps? Would anyone really care...
 
Has anyone worked out what the textured sofa on the side of the car is for yet? Protecting doors from scratches perhaps? Would anyone really care...
Basically it's glorified bubble wrap to prevent those annoying car park dinks... whereas you'll find most of us on the forum at the far end of the car park well away from everyone else to prevent such hassles lol. When they get down to shed money I wouldn't mind one as a weekend hack / dog car actually.
 
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