Doesn't matter what you call it. Point is, you criticised (or pointed out a short coming, whatever) of the MMI system and cited it as a reason you got a new system, I was pointing out that the new system has exactly the same issues anyway.
Navi touch full touchscreen replace std MMI screen
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Doesn't matter what you call it. Point is, you criticised (or pointed out a short coming, whatever) of the MMI system and cited it as a reason you got a new system, I was pointing out that the new system has exactly the same issues anyway.
The one big advantage with the Nuvi system is CHOICE. With the Audi system you have no choice which programs you use. You have to you the programs and navigation system provided by Audi. With the Nuvi system being based on normal Android I assume you can use any software that will work with the Android operating system.
Hopefully this will be the situation when Audi decide to adopt the new In-car systems that are becoming available.
Hopefully this will be the situation when Audi decide to adopt the new In-car systems that are becoming available.
Yeh, choice for someone to slam into you head on with a 120mph closing speed because they were leaning over trying to use a stylus on a screen in the car and ended up on your side of the road.
Android Auto is the answer, and I think is going to be the best solution here. You still use the built in control kit and screen, but have all that same choice - effectively that system, but done safely. I hope it becomes a retrofit, but I bet it won't. I might even consider trying to retro-fit it myself if it doesn't become an official one (assuming the price isn't too overboard! Could just be a replacement of the glove box unit, but that's expensive)
Android Auto is the answer, and I think is going to be the best solution here. You still use the built in control kit and screen, but have all that same choice - effectively that system, but done safely. I hope it becomes a retrofit, but I bet it won't. I might even consider trying to retro-fit it myself if it doesn't become an official one (assuming the price isn't too overboard! Could just be a replacement of the glove box unit, but that's expensive)
This is touchscreen, there is no stylus needed as you keep pointing out. Considering that a majority of manufacturers already use touchscreens, anyone with a touchscreen would be on the side of the road. You are completely off track of the subject and the point of having this system in the car - as h5djr pointed out, you get the option and choice to use whatever application you please. The beauty of open-source platforms.
While Android Auto is amazing, all current android devices already have what android auto can do - full voice control. The android system just updated this morning and now "Okay Google" is available at all times, on any screen. So you can still control this whole system via voice only, ridding of you having to touch the screen if you should please.
After talking with various sales and audi press contacts, it doesn't seem like current vehicles without Audi connect with 4G will be able to upgrade to the upcoming Android Auto. Those that retrofit will still spend significantly more money in the long run (the system isn't a simple plug and play unfortunately). It still seems like roughly another year till AA is shipping from factory according to Audi Press.
While Android Auto is amazing, all current android devices already have what android auto can do - full voice control. The android system just updated this morning and now "Okay Google" is available at all times, on any screen. So you can still control this whole system via voice only, ridding of you having to touch the screen if you should please.
After talking with various sales and audi press contacts, it doesn't seem like current vehicles without Audi connect with 4G will be able to upgrade to the upcoming Android Auto. Those that retrofit will still spend significantly more money in the long run (the system isn't a simple plug and play unfortunately). It still seems like roughly another year till AA is shipping from factory according to Audi Press.
The same situation can apply to a driver with one hand on the steering wheel and the other playing with the MMI controls. I have not seen any evidence of lots of Golfs (with touch screen systems) being involved in far more accidents than A3s. Changes using any system should not be done whilst actually driving in the same way that using any form of phone, hand-held or otherwise should not be done whilst driving.
Using an Android system to get some flexibility is like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
Admittedly Audi don't give you any choice in the matter but I don't really understand why not.
My Samsung TV has a proprietary operating system and so is limited in some ways like MMI but it has a small app store and has apps for iPlayer, Spotify, 4oD etc.
I would really hope that next time around Audi implement a more open system to allow for third party application in the future.
Admittedly Audi don't give you any choice in the matter but I don't really understand why not.
My Samsung TV has a proprietary operating system and so is limited in some ways like MMI but it has a small app store and has apps for iPlayer, Spotify, 4oD etc.
I would really hope that next time around Audi implement a more open system to allow for third party application in the future.
The current version of the Audi MMI has a turn wheel which also acts as a button together with six flat buttons and two raised buttons which each move in two directions and the screen.
I wonder how many drivers actually use the Audi MMI controls without looking down at them first when they are driving.
I wonder how many drivers actually use the Audi MMI controls without looking down at them first when they are driving.
Took me a few months to remember the positions of the buttons but I genuinely don't look down at all now when using the MMI. Its pretty intuitive.
I don't look down at all now but it did take a few weeks before I learned to do it by touch. With a touchscreen that's pretty much never an options as there's nothing to feel.
You're missing the vital point that the golf is different because it doesn't have a stylus. I'm pretty sure the use of that falls into the same legal category as using any handheld device while driving, like a mobile phone. Built in controls are legal - whether they distract people to the point of causing accidents, I haven't seen any evidence for, but the evidence for the use of handheld devices is definitely there.
And, like the posts above me, I don't look at the controls when I use them. The system is well designed enough that you don't need to - the controls are well placed and it's not just a mass of buttons where you can't be sure you are pressing the right ones without looking. An occasional glance at the screen is all that's required.
And, like the posts above me, I don't look at the controls when I use them. The system is well designed enough that you don't need to - the controls are well placed and it's not just a mass of buttons where you can't be sure you are pressing the right ones without looking. An occasional glance at the screen is all that's required.
Have you actually read the responses above? It's a touchscreen. The use of a stylus is optional, you could use your finger (just as you could use a stylus on the touchscreen in a Golf or any other car with a touchscreen), but both options could be avoided by using voice control. Additionally, this isn't a handheld device, it's a direct replacement screen, fixed permanently to the dashboard in exactly the same manner as the original but with touchscreen and Android software, not a tablet that you can pick up and hold.
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Fair enough. All the promo material shows the stylus in use, doesn't make it look like you can also use touch. I still think the screen is badly positioned for a touch screen.
The cars that have touch screen, and that is quite a lot these days, do tend to have the screen better positioned for touch than the screen on the current A3. Perhaps the next version of the A3 the screen will be better positioned for use by "touch". Personally I never look at the MMI controls because I never actually use them. The only switch I use in that area is the electronic hand brake. I must admit given the choice I would have preferred the setup in the Golf VII but in an A3 with all the options that Audi offer compared with the Golf.
Hello guys.
I am very interested in adding this to my vehicle. By sheer luck, circumstances have made one available for purchase at a reasonable price, which in my side of the globe is very unusual.
There are a few points I would like to clear up before I bite the bullet, and since Mr. mroberte here has it installed it would be awesome if you could answer them for me. Here they are:
1. Does it have bluetooth? It doesn't mention it anywhere in the description.
2. Have you tried using the Torque app? I feel like it would be an awesome addition, assuming bluetooth is available. if have already tried it I would like to know how it went.
3. Can you make calls through the unit, or connect you phone to it and use the speaker for calls? This wasn't clear on the product page.
I am very interested in adding this to my vehicle. By sheer luck, circumstances have made one available for purchase at a reasonable price, which in my side of the globe is very unusual.
There are a few points I would like to clear up before I bite the bullet, and since Mr. mroberte here has it installed it would be awesome if you could answer them for me. Here they are:
1. Does it have bluetooth? It doesn't mention it anywhere in the description.
2. Have you tried using the Torque app? I feel like it would be an awesome addition, assuming bluetooth is available. if have already tried it I would like to know how it went.
3. Can you make calls through the unit, or connect you phone to it and use the speaker for calls? This wasn't clear on the product page.
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No Bluetooth, so you won't be able to use Torque either. I tried putting a few cheap universal BT dongles in the USB ports with no luck as there really isn't an app that will let you use.
You can't make calls using your phone in the system, however I actually use a launcher program called Automate (in beta) that allows calls via hangouts and through a data connection (my phone). I take calls through my cell via the normal MMI system.
Make sure the one you found at the cheaper price is indeed the Android version and not the WindowsCE one which is completely different.
You can't make calls using your phone in the system, however I actually use a launcher program called Automate (in beta) that allows calls via hangouts and through a data connection (my phone). I take calls through my cell via the normal MMI system.
Make sure the one you found at the cheaper price is indeed the Android version and not the WindowsCE one which is completely different.
I see, thanks for the tips! I was already considering Tasker, which I already use in other devices, but Automate seems a lot nicer to work with. My car has the lowest end MMI version, with no wheel controls, GPS, bluetooth or anything else, which is one of the reasons this interface is very appealing.
Honestly, I wish it had bluetooth, but it is still an amazing thing to have android running in the car, so I'll probably get it anyway. Just seems like a missed opportunity given bluetooth and WiFi are kind of joined at the hip, and android has all the features to support it. Well, we can still use a phone or a tablet as a dedicated Torque screen if it matters.
The opportunity I mentioned is that someone else bought this interface for the usual robbery rates we have over here (around 1200 Euro) but they got it for the wrong car, so now they are stuck with the unit. An A3 is a pretty high end car over here, making it a tough sell, so he is willing to part with it for around 580 Euro. It's that same android version from the pictures.
Are you running Google Maps for navigation? I was considering Sygic in order to be less dependent on data connectivity.
Another thing, the product page says the interface comes with several video inputs, have you tried connecting anything else to it? I'm considering adding a TV tuner and a rear camera.
I see you have installed you unit yourself, I'm toying with the idea of doing that myself too. It is a bit scary to think about cracking the car open, but Audi won't install it and I'm not quite confident that a 3rd party would do any better than I would. The video guide seems very thorough, did you have any surprises with your installation?
I have a TV that has a motion sensor remote, it isn't that easy to master even with icons on a 55" screen, let alone the screen on a golf...
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Not a massive fan of touch screen systems in cars either. I think BMW are going the right way in developing HUD displays (not had this on my 3 series but reports suggest it's excellent). More info projected in your line of view and controlled using an intuitive dial.
It seems many systems do not include bluetooth because of the frequency approval process, like say here in the US, you have to go through a FCC approval for any wired devices. This system doesn't have wifi built-in either, just uses a dongle. I really don't need bluetooth for the system, as its still not proven that I've needed it since most android functions work with wifi, but yes, being able to use torque would be very nice when on the track.
But buy that up quickly before someone else gets it! Thats a great price! You can contact the company that builds the system to buy the rear camera that is specific for the car so you have the backup camera. The chinese ebay camera does not work as I tried without luck.
There are additional inputs and outputs on the system, however I've never used them. I'd love to eventually use the input setting to have a front mounted camera in the grill to constantly record when driving. I do use Google Maps, but use Waze more often. Automate does support Sygic, but I've never used it personally.
Get the plastic tools for audi's and that mainly all you need (along with basic tools) and its really not that hard to install. The only thing to look out for is the Canbus signals, which are only needed for the rear view camera. But I'd get those positap connectors so you don't have to mess with the wires too much.
Whatever help/questions you have, let me know for the install process and I'm more than happy to answer them to get this setup in your car. You will absolutely love it. Automate truly has changed the whole experience for me. For steering wheel control functions, you'll need two other pieces that tap into the canbus signals, but its super limited, but very helpful.
While I understand most do not like touchscreens, this solution along with steering wheel controls and voice control really makes things easy - mainly the voice control. Speaking of, you'll want to buy a different powered microphone too to help google now understand your commands. The HUD systems are great, but still can be distracting as your focus still goes away from the road. I rather just talk to the car and it does what I tell it to do. "Okay Google, navigate to San Francisco Golden Gate Brigde. Find a gas station on the way, what is the weather, when is my first appointment, when is my flight, play Major Lazer, etc".
But buy that up quickly before someone else gets it! Thats a great price! You can contact the company that builds the system to buy the rear camera that is specific for the car so you have the backup camera. The chinese ebay camera does not work as I tried without luck.
There are additional inputs and outputs on the system, however I've never used them. I'd love to eventually use the input setting to have a front mounted camera in the grill to constantly record when driving. I do use Google Maps, but use Waze more often. Automate does support Sygic, but I've never used it personally.
Get the plastic tools for audi's and that mainly all you need (along with basic tools) and its really not that hard to install. The only thing to look out for is the Canbus signals, which are only needed for the rear view camera. But I'd get those positap connectors so you don't have to mess with the wires too much.
Whatever help/questions you have, let me know for the install process and I'm more than happy to answer them to get this setup in your car. You will absolutely love it. Automate truly has changed the whole experience for me. For steering wheel control functions, you'll need two other pieces that tap into the canbus signals, but its super limited, but very helpful.
While I understand most do not like touchscreens, this solution along with steering wheel controls and voice control really makes things easy - mainly the voice control. Speaking of, you'll want to buy a different powered microphone too to help google now understand your commands. The HUD systems are great, but still can be distracting as your focus still goes away from the road. I rather just talk to the car and it does what I tell it to do. "Okay Google, navigate to San Francisco Golden Gate Brigde. Find a gas station on the way, what is the weather, when is my first appointment, when is my flight, play Major Lazer, etc".
I'm waiting for an answer from the dude to close the deal. Do you have any recommendations on the microphone? I wouldn't know where to start.
To settle the android version share argument a few posts ago.
https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html?utm_source=suzunone
https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html?utm_source=suzunone
So yesterday, I ended up just using the stock microphone the MMI uses. I opened it up and soldered the pigtails from a 3.5mm mono jack going to the android mic input. Works like a charm now!
Since you did the installation yourself, could you walk me through the electrical connection on the +15? The video just says "make the power +15 connection on ignition +12V". How did you plug your system?
Also, the manual mentions a relay in case you add a rear camera. Did you get to do that, and if you did, how did you connect the camera?
Thanks again.
Also, the manual mentions a relay in case you add a rear camera. Did you get to do that, and if you did, how did you connect the camera?
Thanks again.
For tapping into the 12V, I got a fuse tap and found a spot in the fuse area. You will want to find the one that will turn off with the key.
http://s1270.photobucket.com/user/dykb1982/media/781-2-1.jpg.html
I have not been able to find a power source that turns on/off with the MMI system.
For the rearview camera, I got the one that comes with the vag-navisystem and the system reads the canbus signal. It just plugs directly into the system. However now all of a sudden after getting my car back from the dealership, the camera stopped working. I'm trying to figure out what to do about this as I'm in contact with the vendor. But if push comes to shove and this cannot read the canbus signal I'll have to hook up to the reverse light. I'm not sure that it will need a relay since the light is just 12V signal I believe, however I do not know for certain.
Here is a pic of the fuse that I used:
http://s1270.photobucket.com/user/dykb1982/media/781-2-1.jpg.html
I have not been able to find a power source that turns on/off with the MMI system.
For the rearview camera, I got the one that comes with the vag-navisystem and the system reads the canbus signal. It just plugs directly into the system. However now all of a sudden after getting my car back from the dealership, the camera stopped working. I'm trying to figure out what to do about this as I'm in contact with the vendor. But if push comes to shove and this cannot read the canbus signal I'll have to hook up to the reverse light. I'm not sure that it will need a relay since the light is just 12V signal I believe, however I do not know for certain.
Here is a pic of the fuse that I used:
That looks really good. I did a quick search and couldn't find a single fuse tap over here, only those fuse holders that don't have a connector to plug into the fuse box, so maybe I'll have to buy them abroad and wait a little bit. I believe I've found that exact same one on Amazon. Anyway, this was the last bit I was worried about.
About the camera, the manual says you might wanna use a relay in case it doesn't work properly, but I don't know if it is needed for the VAG camera. I was under the impression that any camera with an RCA connector would work, at least I feel it is implied when they state that the unit supports third-party cameras. If I have to buy it from Spain it might get a lot more expensive, but it is what it is.
About the camera, the manual says you might wanna use a relay in case it doesn't work properly, but I don't know if it is needed for the VAG camera. I was under the impression that any camera with an RCA connector would work, at least I feel it is implied when they state that the unit supports third-party cameras. If I have to buy it from Spain it might get a lot more expensive, but it is what it is.
You could just use a spade connector and just tap into any of the available section, I just wanted to use this so it looked cleaner. I bought mine off ebay (cheapest) and it took about 2 weeks to arrive. I'd buy a couple - small and large fuse size - just in case for any future things you might do.
As for the camera, yes technically any camera should work, its just turning the camera on/off is what depends on the relay. However I tried using the ebay backup camera with this system and it did not work at all. Same connectors, but just didn't work at all. If you have any other backup camera that goes in the stock connection, I'd still assume it will work. It will be a trial and error approach. You should see if you can just get the same camera the vag people sell since that will work out of the box, without relay. That camera is the one I have - and its also higher resolution than the OEM one.
As for the camera, yes technically any camera should work, its just turning the camera on/off is what depends on the relay. However I tried using the ebay backup camera with this system and it did not work at all. Same connectors, but just didn't work at all. If you have any other backup camera that goes in the stock connection, I'd still assume it will work. It will be a trial and error approach. You should see if you can just get the same camera the vag people sell since that will work out of the box, without relay. That camera is the one I have - and its also higher resolution than the OEM one.
So I will try and make a new video in the next few weeks of how I have my system setup so you basically can you voice commands to really control the device. I don't really touch the screen as much as I use to, especially when using Automate Beta app (this app has really changed everything completely on the way I interact with the device).
The keyboard idea is actually more cumbersome than using the on-screen to me. I have longer arms, but think this might be a little more hazardous. However I usually have presets for my normal directions and use the google now cards to really inputting destinations at a minimum.
The keyboard idea is actually more cumbersome than using the on-screen to me. I have longer arms, but think this might be a little more hazardous. However I usually have presets for my normal directions and use the google now cards to really inputting destinations at a minimum.
1) Yes, you can have navigation going and your music at the same time. The voice direction prompts will lower the music then announce directions. I use Waze and Google Maps and both work perfectly. I've used Nokia Here Maps too which work fine.
2) No it will turn off the android system completely with the car, there is no way to make it stay on when only the MMI is on (I couldn't find a proper power source)
3) Yes, there is some initial loading time in the beginning which is maybe 20-40 seconds sometimes. Its pretty quick overall.
You should use the android application called Tasker or Trigger to automate alot of the processes that happen when the car turns on. Use Automate Beta for your front end - it looks an acts almost exactly like Android Auto.
2) No it will turn off the android system completely with the car, there is no way to make it stay on when only the MMI is on (I couldn't find a proper power source)
3) Yes, there is some initial loading time in the beginning which is maybe 20-40 seconds sometimes. Its pretty quick overall.
You should use the android application called Tasker or Trigger to automate alot of the processes that happen when the car turns on. Use Automate Beta for your front end - it looks an acts almost exactly like Android Auto.
hi there guys, need some help please.
i have a audi a3 s line sportback 2013 model and has the small screen and was looking to upgrade the display for the mmi to the bigger version.
A) what do i need in order to upgrade? is it a simple display and centre console unit that i need or is it more complex than that?
B) how to i get to the display unit i.e. steps in order to remove the old mmi display unit & centre console for the new one?
your help and support is much appreciated thanks in advance.
need to know ASAP please. thanks.
i have a audi a3 s line sportback 2013 model and has the small screen and was looking to upgrade the display for the mmi to the bigger version.
A) what do i need in order to upgrade? is it a simple display and centre console unit that i need or is it more complex than that?
B) how to i get to the display unit i.e. steps in order to remove the old mmi display unit & centre console for the new one?
your help and support is much appreciated thanks in advance.
need to know ASAP please. thanks.
You will need the larger screen the higher MMI unit, there is also VCD coding involved too. From what I have read, no one still has been able to successfully got the retrofit to work properly.
Yeah, as said above youll need:
- a new MMI unit (in the glovebox) -approx £3k
- new MMI touch pad / control interface - £? Probably a few hundred.
- larger screen assembly - £? Probably a few hundred again
- VCDS coding
So I reckon you wouldn't see much change out of £4k for the parts. You might be able to sell your old items back on to recoup some of the money. But I've not yet seen anyone do this successfully.
- a new MMI unit (in the glovebox) -approx £3k
- new MMI touch pad / control interface - £? Probably a few hundred.
- larger screen assembly - £? Probably a few hundred again
- VCDS coding
So I reckon you wouldn't see much change out of £4k for the parts. You might be able to sell your old items back on to recoup some of the money. But I've not yet seen anyone do this successfully.
The prices your quoting are properly from dealer and if your silly to even consider getting a quote then you've lost the plot. Mmi from eBay can cost a few hundred but they are hard to come by. On the eBay scene you can get a full high res kit from Poland for about £1300 but there is no guarantee it will just slit in place.
Thank for your in depth replies everyone.
Does anyone have removing and refitting instructions for the following items, centre console, glovebox unit, mmi display unit (in dash)?
If you guys can help me with this it would be really appreciated.
I need to get this sorted ASAP!
Does anyone have removing and refitting instructions for the following items, centre console, glovebox unit, mmi display unit (in dash)?
If you guys can help me with this it would be really appreciated.
I need to get this sorted ASAP!
There are various YouTube videos hoe to remove certain parts of the dash and mmi but you'll have to search for it. No one had made a 'definitive' how to upgrade to high res mmi version.
Also if you manage to swap it. You still need dealer activation for the maps if you want sat nav enabled and you can't simply transfer it. Gl
thank you for your reply dude!
ahh man i was hoping it was a straight forward swap as i have already bought the complete mmi plus package whihc consists of the screen, glovebox unit and centre console.
brilliant! i know how to remove the dash and glovebox units do you know how to remove the centre console at all dude or anyone in that matter?
cheers.
whats the part number of your parts? did you not do much research when buying the good before consider if it can be done?
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You will need to get component protection removed in order to get this working. Dealers will probably run a mile and VCDS cannot do it. You will need to find someone with Vag Can Pro.
As part of the security strategy, some parts of the modules built in the VAG vehicles, implement the so called “component protection”. This is a mechanism dedicated to prevent exchange of modules between different vehicles without central authorization from the VAG online database.
Saying that this guy managed it.
As part of the security strategy, some parts of the modules built in the VAG vehicles, implement the so called “component protection”. This is a mechanism dedicated to prevent exchange of modules between different vehicles without central authorization from the VAG online database.
Saying that this guy managed it.
