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    Sorry xbox time to leave ....

    Well after reading both sides of Xbox one and PS4 I'm taking the plunge and preording the PS4.
    Iv had an Xbox since the first one and had many heated debates and iv always said xbox all the way.
    3 things put me off xbox one ... It's got bigger ,and that bloody kinect I need to plug in so it can load up my avatar and such. And u have to pay for the kinect hence how expensive it is!
    Does anyone else just think I want to play games on a faster machine than the one i got,not faff around with this?
    Surely like everything else the more advanced technology gets its supposed to get smaller....
    Pics of the Xbox one looks the size of a Betamax c7...
    Sorry but I'm turning to the dark side
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    Never mind all that - why are we paying £429 when it is $499 in the US ?!?

    Direct conversion to sterling should be £318 ?!?! wtf!

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    I have pre ordered the xbox one, the kinect comes with the package price so understand its gonna be expensive but you will be able to do so much with it. I personally dont think the finally release price will be so much as microsoft will need to compete with the PS4 and will almost certainly contain one of the release titles most likely forza within the price which again looks far superior than anything the PS4 has announced.

    And IMO xbox live is much better than the playstation network.

    Dont do it change your preorder!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris-Vspec View Post
    I have pre ordered the xbox one, the kinect comes with the package price so understand its gonna be expensive but you will be able to do so much with it. I personally dont think the finally release price will be so much as microsoft will need to compete with the PS4 and will almost certainly contain one of the release titles most likely forza within the price which again looks far superior than anything the PS4 has announced.

    And IMO xbox live is much better than the playstation network.

    Dont do it change your preorder!!
    I agree xbox live is miles better than psn but we are paying for that.
    It's the kinect that's the main thing putting me off, I don't want that contraption in my living room so that's me kinda stumped
    It's costing more because ur paying for the kinect, unlike Sony that give u the move for free.
    I only play cod,s and gears of war so really I don't need their media centre.
    I think Microsoft need to listen as they are going to loose a lot of customers!
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    I'm staying with Xbox One, Forza 5 alone sells it for me - just hoping my Fanatec wheel will work or that is going to be pricey. As already discussed Xbox live is the best of the online services.

    After seeing E3 I've decided to preorder a PS4 too but if it was a choice I'd still choose Xbox.

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    I have been an Xbox customer for a while but they are gone,the monopoly on games is a bridge too far imho
    PS4 is the way forward

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieWebs View Post
    I agree xbox live is miles better than psn but we are paying for that.
    It's the kinect that's the main thing putting me off, I don't want that contraption in my living room so that's me kinda stumped
    It's costing more because ur paying for the kinect, unlike Sony that give u the move for free.
    I only play cod,s and gears of war so really I don't need their media centre.
    I think Microsoft need to listen as they are going to loose a lot of customers!
    You don't have to use the kinect but can understand your frustration in having to pay for it when it's something you won't use.

    I had the old kinect and couldn't stand it so sold it on, I'm hoping this one will be better and more useable without having to have half an acre for a lounge!!

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    That's what I mean I have turtle beach headphones that cost me 129 quid. Useless now as they won't fit so I'd have to buy another pair. U don't even get a headset stated with the Xbox one.
    Wouldn't be so bad if they turned round and said existing customers can trade in their own xbox 360 for money off!
    Sorry but as much as I love my xbox and Xbox live it seems its a take it or leave it!
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    Our local game is giving a guaranteed £110 trade in for the new console on the old one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris-Vspec View Post
    Our local game is giving a guaranteed £110 trade in for the new console on the old one
    Well that's something at least, we have a game local here. I might ask if I get 110 quid off to trade in the Xbox for a ps4 lol.
    U think this will apply?
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    I see Sony playing the same game this time round as with the PS2.
    Opening up to allow devs to create games without all the hassle that MS is forcing (have to sign up to publishing rights etc).

    With this in hand, we could have the huge game library that we had with the PS2.

    I'm in no rush really to preorder as I've got quite the backlog of games and then GTA and Watchdogs is out later...!

    Also the size of the PS4 is aseptically pleasing over the Xbone.


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    Microsoft News | Microsoft Engineer Defends Xbox One DRM Requirements, Makes Valid Points

    A Microsoft Engineer working at Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa has posted his arguments and views on Microsoft Xbox One’s 24 hours internet requirements, DRM policy and more. This is not a marketing guy’s reply to criticism on Microsoft’s decisions, this seems to be a honest argument/view on all these topics.

    Read the whole thing he posted below,

    1.

    The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for **** value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam’s model requires a limited used game model.

    The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam… You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)

    It’s a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it’s growing pains at the beginning with all it’s drm **** as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on 4chan too…) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted ****.

    Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can’t get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say “Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$” that is a decent model… Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That’s a revenue increase.

    Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we’d be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam

    2.

    Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like “Well played Sony, Well played”. That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO **** US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn’t put back… [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all “U TOOK R DISCS” and they hiveminded.

    Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop ****s them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone *****es at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.

    The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF ****ING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We’re TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution… it’s a bumpy road

    Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we’ll see if it works in the coming years

    Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It’s the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that **** happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand / voice gestures… That’s our goal.

    3.

    Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv… but it’s ****ing sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.

    By default it’s on, listening for “Xbox On”. You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can’t just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.

    Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don’t. Don’t buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn’t have a broadband connection don’t get Live, and if you don’t have an HDTV the 360 isn’t that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool **** when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.

    Current plan is basically you’re ****ed after 24 hours. Yeah… I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to “call in” to ensure you haven’t sold your license to gamestop or something… but there is no plan YET. I’m hoping the change it, but I don’t work on that so I don’t have much influence there /sigh

    If the power goes out you ain’t playing ****. I’m assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You’re ****ed for single player games. Again, that’s the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 cluster****

    What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.

    4.

    The cloud capabilities is the **** they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute **** and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn’t need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That’s huge.

    SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV… it’s that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool **** going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It’s sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It’s awesome.

    New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It’s pretty sweet.

    Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.


    This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.

    It’s not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieWebs View Post
    Well that's something at least, we have a game local here. I might ask if I get 110 quid off to trade in the Xbox for a ps4 lol.
    U think this will apply?
    got to be worth a go

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    do people know that the kinect has to be connected or the console wont work

    also how many people are going to actually want to use it.


    just the specs alone, and the restrictions make me want to choose the ps4. i have a 360 atm but sorry i dont like the moves the xb1 has made and also the fact the ps4 is more powerful

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    But we've lost what sounded like a really good feature, family sharing of games to up to ten people.

    Also, If MS can change their mind on this DRM, used game,region policy now. What's to say they won't reverse their stance in a year's time?

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    lol, clearly they saw there pre order figures going down the drain,
    problem is enough time has past for the xbone to fail.

    i still am choosing the ps4 just because it has a faster ram, more cpu units which means things like rendering shadows and lighting will be much better, and also thinking to the future the developers will have more to play with

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    did you hear there also renaming the console Xbox One80

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    Quote Originally Posted by boost-addict View Post
    lol, clearly they saw there pre order figures going down the drain,
    problem is enough time has past for the xbone to fail.

    i still am choosing the ps4 just because it has a faster ram, more cpu units which means things like rendering shadows and lighting will be much better, and also thinking to the future the developers will have more to play with
    Don't talk ****. The ps4 will hit a brick wall within a year, Xbox one will exceed in the long run

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikemc View Post
    Don't talk ****. The ps4 will hit a brick wall within a year, Xbox one will exceed in the long run
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikemc View Post
    Don't talk ****. The ps4 will hit a brick wall within a year, Xbox one will exceed in the long run

    Pfft, no chance. The playstation range it better all round then the X box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boost-addict View Post
    did you hear there also renaming the console Xbox One80
    i see what you did there...

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    Arent the ps4's all dying with software updates? rrod springs to mind, glad i dont play games on a console lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaz! View Post
    Pfft, no chance. The playstation range it better all round then the X box.
    The Xbox is open for constant improvement, I still think they should of stuck to there guns. Times are moving on. In 10 years times people will be thinking why did we ever use discs. Everything nowadays is available over the Internet thus cutting costs on games, movies etc. Steam on the PC started off not so great but look at it now, that Is what Xbox was trying to replicate.

    And have you ever heard of people's accounts being hacked for payment details in Xbox, no? Ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @udi A3 View Post
    Arent the ps4's all dying with software updates? rrod springs to mind, glad i dont play games on a console lol
    It's a ps3 firmware update that bricks it.

    The RRoD has been sorted now and I believe a lot more ps3's failed somehow. I know the disc drive is a common one for the Ps3, although the new style Xbox seems to have that issue.

    I guess it's all down to personal preferences at the end of the day, I won't be buying either til prices drop and will more than likely go for an Xbox.

    Plus the Xbox has the right designed pads!

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    I've pre ordered the new Xbox and currently use both ps3 and Xbox 360 and IMO the Xbox has always been a superior machine and I personally prefer the Xbox interface and I am confident the machine will be amazing.

    I know there are things that will need tweaked and changed but I'm sure the PS4 will have some teething issues too.

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    http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/19/micr...ox-one-report/

    Definitely stepping in the right direction with listening to the masses but they still say the kinect still has to be used. Get rid of that monstrosity and il stay with the Xbox ...
    November release for both Xbox one and PS4 going to be interesting to see what comes out first
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    Stick with ps4, admittedly I'm very brand loyal and love my ps3 gaming and bluray capabilities! Both machines will be almost identical with graphics specs as with 360 and ps3. ( ps4 has a very slight advantage) The reason x1 really lost it for me is overall cost playing online will be more expensive, they wanted to rip consumers off (granted they have back tracked on this) but it was still their intention and once they hav everyone's money they may switch back, remember this is Microsoft. The unit is more expensive to buy and also ps4 users get Netflix for free which if that makes it to launch your something like £22 up each year!

    But essentially as others have said down to personal preference! Enjoy either one you get. I had a little sex wee over bf4 (massive massive bf3 fan) but Tom clancys the division looks awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by munchkincoupe View Post
    Never mind all that - why are we paying £429 when it is $499 in the US ?!?

    Direct conversion to sterling should be £318 ?!?! wtf!
    An element of that will be tax (vat), US states have different tax rates, hence prices quoted in $ are excl. tax
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost-addict View Post
    did you hear there also renaming the console Xbox One80
    Microsoft admits 'shame' for flawed Xbox One messaging, hints Family Sharing could return | The Verge

    looks like it'll be called the Xbox360 again
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    Microsoft can do whatever they want its nothing about listening to the masses as they know they will still sell it.
    In this day and age when technology is far superior and everything gets more compact, I'm still put off with buying a bigger machine than my current xbox.
    Well I'm going to wait until after Xmas till the hype is over and decide then but going by price and spec PS4 is still looking favourite
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