Volks AutosMonster Motorsport
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 41 to 74 of 74
  1. #41
    Ess_Three's Avatar
    Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Aberdeenshire
    Posts
    5,385
    Quote Originally Posted by neil.c View Post
    Our 89 MKII Golf GTi 8V used to do 50 mpg on my weekly motorway commute, our later (heavier) MKIII GTi 16v used to acheive 45mpg, our S3 acheives 38 mpg, and our 911 acheives 31mpg, all aceptable figures and all better drives than most oil burners.

    I drive an Astra diesel company car Monday to Friday which averages between 47 and 52 mpg and I would drive any one of the above at the weekend in preference to the oil burner.
    How on earth do you get that?
    Surely you drive at walking pace?

    I have a Mk3 GTI 16v...and I get 25-28 MPG out of it...
    I have a 911...and I get 18 MPG average...and once, an impressive 26 MPG (but the air con was broken...and I was very low on petrol)
    I have a Fabia vRS and I get 40-43 MPG...
    My S3 was averaging 25 MPG...
    All driven the same way, by the same driver...that is, used and used hard.

    I just don't see how firstly, you get the sort of economy you do from the petrols...and secondly, how you can't fail to get much better economy from the diesel when driven in a similar manner to the rest.

    As for 'better drives'...if the Mk3 GTI 16v is standard...then a standard vRS is a vastly better drive! So diesels can be fun...maybe not so much an Astra.


    Please note:
    The views expressed on Audi-Sport.net are the personal views of its contributors (including me), and not that of the Website or the Moderator/Administration team.

  2. # ADS
    ADS
    Join Date
    Always
    Location
    Global
    Posts
    Many
     
  3. #42
    Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    World of my own
    Posts
    9,813
    Well I used to get 32mpg from our 1.8T A3, so how on earth you think you're getting 38mpg from your S3 god only knows, unless you only drive downhill!
    50mpg from a Mk2 GTi? - I don't think so!
    "How to tear apart the ties that bind, perhaps fcuk off might be too kind"
    Alex Turner

  4. #43
    james0808's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Nottingham
    Posts
    3,542
    I only do low miles so sold the old clunky smoker and opted for a petrol engine again.

  5. #44
    ADEY's Avatar
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Skegby - Notts
    Posts
    245
    was a no-brainer for me.........
    MK5 VW GTI (previous car) - 17to25 mpg
    A3 2.0TDI SPORT - 40to50 mpg
    Really starting to get concerned about the price of diesel though
    A3 2.O TDI 170 S-LINE

  6. #45
    Reverse Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    29
    Been out today looking at a new company car for the wife. Has to be a small one, as bless her, she doesn't like driving a big car and parking aids don't help.

    Looked at getting her another Golf TDI sport, facelifted, free leather, tints etc. A3, although with the impending face lift, cannot get any exact date for delivery - no good when she also does 40K pa. So settled on the below. - Quote from Whatcar? website.

    120d M Sport
    A vibrant 175bhp 2.0 diesel engine powers the entry cars and that's enough to hit 62mph in just 7.6sec. Average economy is 58.9mpg.

    Handles surprising well, even in a wet day like today - scared the salesguy mind!!

    Now the 2.0D is quicker to 60, and top end than the 2.0L petrol, and far more mid-range grunt. Slightly dearer (700), although official figures averages 16mpg more.

  7. #46
    FactionOne's Avatar
    Administrator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Preston
    Posts
    3,059
    Good to see some interesting debate on this one

    I've gotta say though, I'm in the camp that's struggling to believe a 'lively' petrol (a GTI, S3 etc.) are delivering such high averages when being driven with a bit of vigour. I'd be guessing 20mpg being driven that way and maybe 30mpg when getting a bit more sensible... But then the difference is a diesel being driven the same way will give ~40mpg when going at it a bit, and 50mpg+ when chilled out. It doesn't take many miles for that to start saving money.

    Anyway, like I said in my earlier post, the comparison as it affects me isn't based soley on fuel economy. If I'm driving a TDI with even 200lb/ft of torque, I'm going to be having to run something much tastier as a petrol than I could afford to in terms of insurance, maintenance and the rest in order to get something that feels as much of a solid drive.

    I had some good news the other day anyway...

    Unfortunately I have to keep a hire car for a bit longer

    However, the company phoned to offer an exchance... I suggested they keep talking...

    I'm getting rid of the petrol Focus which I've revved the nuts off for 12,000 miles...

    In return I will receive a brand new Golf...

    Black...






    ...And a TDI

    I'm looking forward to getting back to that effortless and comfortable cruising!

    Regards,

    Rob.
    The truth they're trying to keep from you is that IPv6 has nothing to do with address space; we're actually running out of full stops.

  8. #47
    lil_coz's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    1,636
    Quote Originally Posted by FactionOne View Post
    I'm looking forward to getting back to that effortless and comfortable cruising!

    Regards,

    Rob.
    It's bliss on motorways isn't it!
    Coss

    S3 S-tronic: Panther Black, lots of extras, MTM remap


  9. #48
    james0808's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Nottingham
    Posts
    3,542
    Quote Originally Posted by lil_coz View Post
    It's bliss on motorways isn't it!
    And sounds like an old tractor when in traffic.

  10. #49
    karl7900's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    1,402
    Quote Originally Posted by FactionOne View Post
    I'm looking forward to getting back to that effortless and comfortable cruising!
    Just back from an airport run collecting a friend and my car (A6 2.4 V6) does this in spades. And at 70mph slower moving traffic is dispatched safely and comfortably with a small flex of my right big toe with no need to down shift a gear. Still working on the economy, but Meh!

    Quote Originally Posted by lil_coz View Post
    It's bliss on motorways isn't it!
    See above.

    Quote Originally Posted by james0808 View Post
    And sounds like an old tractor when in traffic.

  11. #50
    neil.c's Avatar
    Senior

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    leicestershire
    Posts
    564
    Sorry guys, I had been drinking and it is all ********

    Well almost, The fgures for the S3 and 911 are from the wife although over the same route bear in mind that it is a motorway commute, saying that we never got less than 30 mpg out of our 16v MKIII no matter how or where I drove it. My enthusiastic averages for the S3 and 911 respectively are are 22 and 20 mpg
    99 S3 Absolute red

  12. #51
    neil.c's Avatar
    Senior

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    leicestershire
    Posts
    564
    Oh, our 16v MkIII had modded suspension as the std setup was like sailing.
    Don't get hung up on the fact that this was the average mpg as it wasn't, just for the commute which is about 5 miles to the motorway 40 miles up the motorway and 4 miles at the other end. I have just been out to the garage and took snaps of the OBC's on both cars (which I reset when I fill up)

    The Porsche has had a few around town runs since it was filled up including a fast run back from an indian (19 miles at speeds upto 125mph) and a run to Donnington circuit today, which was all of about 5 miles each way. 259 miles since reset



    Don't even know where the S3 has been, the doctors plus Tescos amongst others I suspect so pretty much local driving for its 102 miles
    Last edited by neil.c; 7th July 2008 at 19:07. Reason: Poor spellink
    99 S3 Absolute red

  13. #52
    lil_coz's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    1,636
    Quote Originally Posted by james0808 View Post
    And sounds like an old tractor when in traffic.
    No... Sounds more like a new one! Anyway, its why I've got BOSE
    Coss

    S3 S-tronic: Panther Black, lots of extras, MTM remap


  14. #53
    stoakseya4's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Kent, UK
    Posts
    1,227
    What did I start ?!!

    I shalln't go into the pros and cons of LPG then...!!!

    Although a only 60p/l and a conversion cost of c1500...


    1998 S4 Widebody Saloon Track Car
    2006 320d SE Touring - Ze Fuhrer's Wagon
    2001 B5 RS4 510bhp & 508ft lbs SOLD
    1.9TDI (130) Sport -Black-Revo - Mrs Stoakseya4's mota - SOLD

  15. #54
    james0808's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Nottingham
    Posts
    3,542
    LPG is really good,i drove from Notts to Heathrow in a Merc S500 and not hanging around,filled it back up for 17 when i got there.Not bad for a 5.0l and almost 140 miles.

  16. #55
    benw123's Avatar
    Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Herts, UK
    Posts
    1,863
    Thanks to the widening gap in the price between petrol and diesel, I'm saving around 45 per month driving in and out of London in my Prius than I would over the same journey in my Sportback 2.0TDI. It's a double bonus - the Prius does just shy of 60mpg whereas the A3 can only manage around 45mpg in the city, and petrol is cheaper thus pushing the savings further.
    2004 A3 Sportback 2.0TDI SE, RNS-E Sat Nav SW0650 TMC, 17" Star Alloys, Xenons, DIS, Rear Mats & Sunblind, Alu trim, Ebony Black pearlescent
    2006 Honda Accord EX i-CTDI, Arctic Blue, Leather, Sat Nav, XCarLink

  17. #56
    motorbikez's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    cumbria
    Posts
    2,033
    Diesel engines get you approximately 30% further on a litre of fuel so if unleaded is 1.19 per gallon diesel would have to cost more than 1.54 for you to lose out finanacially. This based purely on the cost of fuel.
    2007 Sportback S Line Tdi 170 Avus,Bose,Multi function steering wheel, Electric Lumbar support,Front centre armrest,
    Storage pack,Through load system,Folding mirrors,Non smoking pack

    2009 BMW K1300S, ABS, ASC,OBC, heated grips

  18. #57
    james0808's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Nottingham
    Posts
    3,542
    Wont be long then.

  19. #58
    Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    World of my own
    Posts
    9,813
    It's actually nearer 50%.
    Do you honestly think they'd leave LPG on a subsidised tax if it became popular?
    "How to tear apart the ties that bind, perhaps fcuk off might be too kind"
    Alex Turner

  20. #59
    karl7900's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    1,402
    Quote Originally Posted by AndyMac View Post
    Do you honestly think they'd leave LPG on a subsidised tax if it became popular?
    Not a snowballs chance in hell!! The only reason we're not taxed on the amount of air we breathe is because nobody has figured out how to measure the amount we do.

    If they ever do, then we are all screwed!
    Last edited by FactionOne; 10th July 2008 at 10:39.

  21. #60
    james0808's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Nottingham
    Posts
    3,542
    Quote Originally Posted by AndyMac View Post
    It's actually nearer 50%.
    Do you honestly think they'd leave LPG on a subsidised tax if it became popular?

    Not much chance of that as most people seem to be driving dirty smokers.

  22. #61
    Reverse Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    29
    Quote Originally Posted by benw123 View Post
    Thanks to the widening gap in the price between petrol and diesel, I'm saving around 45 per month driving in and out of London in my Prius than I would over the same journey in my Sportback 2.0TDI. It's a double bonus - the Prius does just shy of 60mpg whereas the A3 can only manage around 45mpg in the city, and petrol is cheaper thus pushing the savings further.
    Life can never get so bad, that you have to drive a Prius, can you not walk/run/roller-skate?!

    The missus had one for two weeks as a swap when someone went on their hols and wanted to borrow her car - God what a miserable car the Prius is. And now it's deemed to be worse to the planet than a V8 Discovery, what an amazing bit of marketing Toyota did..

  23. #62
    Nickynibbles's Avatar
    Damn it where's 7th gear when you need it?!

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Hampshire
    Posts
    846
    But nearly 60mpg around town from a Prius is truely awful economy considering the petrol engine isnt meant to start below 30mph! Most Prius' I see are hammering down the outside lane of a motorway, not exactly being efficient! I think most people buy them thinking they're doing the polar bears a favour but they're not really at all!
    A4 3.0 Quattro Sport - Gone & missed everyday!

    Current road going missile.....

    ........Smart Roadster - arguably the most fun you can have in a car without using lube!!

  24. #63
    FactionOne's Avatar
    Administrator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Preston
    Posts
    3,059
    Well, the new Rolf is pretty quick compared to that shed of a Focus I had before...

    I assume it's a 140 TDI... It averaged about 42-44mpg on a short Motorway journey with a bit of national speed limit single-carriageway at either end. That's doing 80 on the needle (mid 70s GPS) on the Motorway and 65 (ish) on the needle on the other roads. I was making sure to get the full enjoyment of 2nd and 3rd gears on slip roads / from roundabouts though. I was quite surprised, thought it'd be higher than that.

    I also drove it like a loon for a bit after resetting the computer. Average dropped as low as the late 20s / early 30s.

    I've not really looked at it too much yet, but I'll do some more 'testing' today and post the averages...

    I'm not that fussed anyway... Being driven the way I normally do, at worst it's only about the same to run as the Focus, but it's a much nicer drive...

    Regards,

    Rob.
    The truth they're trying to keep from you is that IPv6 has nothing to do with address space; we're actually running out of full stops.

  25. #64
    fingermouse's Avatar
    thats me

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    west yorkshire
    Posts
    3,762
    well my S3 gives 300 miles to 68 quids worth os v power, the wifes TDI golf (140) gives 500 + for 64 quids worth of fuel.

    The golf is easy to drive and pulls well and as we are keeping the car and got it cheap at 6 months old then its a win win for me.
    red to red black to black blue to bits

  26. #65
    Crazyfool's Avatar
    Lead boot

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    South East
    Posts
    632
    There has been quite a few other threads on derv vs petrol; and from what I have read it really comes down to your driving requirements...obviously.

    My thoughts and I could be wrong because I haven't done enough research are

    The depreciation value of diesel over a petrol is relative. The diesel is more expensive and will sell at a higher price, but the petrol will be at a similar rate. At the end of the day, it depends what sort of deal you got when you bought it and how much someone is willing to pay to take it off your hands. If you buy it from a main dealer, then sell it privately, hopefully you will reduce its depreciation value.

    As for diesel costs; 60% of drivers chose to have a diesel, so there is an increased demand meaning the buggers out there feel they can charge more for diesel in comparison to petrol. If the tables are ever turned, I am sure unleaded will become the more expensive.

    If you are looking for performance, diesels have a nice level of torque, but what I don't like is the short rev range. Took on a 1.8T Toledo once in my fathers 1.9TDI Toledo. Did well up to 3rd gear, but as soon as I changed into 4th, the 1.8T left me for dust. Felt that if I didn't have to change gear so early I may have been in with a chance. It totally depends what you want out of the car, but exta wear on the tyres and clutch need to be considered.

    Consumption comes down to the miles per year...nothing new there.

    Think I will stick with petrol turbos for now...although still love driving my fathers 2.0 A4. Although less torque, the instant performance over the turbo lag is great.
    (59) 2.0T A4 S-Line Avant (B8) Lava Grey
    (N) 2.6 V6 Audi Convertible Europa Blue
    Gone: (02) 1.8T A4 sport saloon (B6) Denim Blue

  27. #66
    benw123's Avatar
    Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Herts, UK
    Posts
    1,863
    Quote Originally Posted by bigdom71
    Life can never get so bad, that you have to drive a Prius, can you not walk/run/roller-skate?!
    Life has got better since buying the Prius. It costs little to run, rides nicely, is totally stress-free to drive and has surprised me by turning out to be a really decent family car - all my two-year-old son's things would be a real squeeze in the Sportback, but the Prius swallows the lot easily.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickynibbles
    But nearly 60mpg around town from a Prius is truely awful economy considering the petrol engine isnt meant to start below 30mph! Most Prius' I see are hammering down the outside lane of a motorway, not exactly being efficient! I think most people buy them thinking they're doing the polar bears a favour but they're not really at all!
    60mpg is the overall average of driving in all conditions, not just around town. Sometimes I reset the fuel computer in the Prius when I reach the bottom of the A1 at Stirling Corner each morning. The best I've seen by the time I get to West London is just over 82mpg. I did two runs up to Cambridge and Towcester last week and saw over 60mpg from both without really trying. The latter figure might not seem that interesting but again, the difference in price between petrol and diesel secures a decent saving.

    As I've said before, I realise the Prius isn't everyone's cup of tea and that's absolutely fine by me. I didn't buy it to save the environment; I bought it because it's easily the cheapest and most comfortable way of getting in and out of London for work. That it happens to be a very underrated car will be lost on many unfortunately.
    2004 A3 Sportback 2.0TDI SE, RNS-E Sat Nav SW0650 TMC, 17" Star Alloys, Xenons, DIS, Rear Mats & Sunblind, Alu trim, Ebony Black pearlescent
    2006 Honda Accord EX i-CTDI, Arctic Blue, Leather, Sat Nav, XCarLink

  28. #67
    Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    World of my own
    Posts
    9,813
    "all my two-year-old son's things would be a real squeeze in the Sportback, but the Prius swallows the lot easily."
    Now you are taking the piss!
    "How to tear apart the ties that bind, perhaps fcuk off might be too kind"
    Alex Turner

  29. #68
    karl7900's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    1,402
    Quote Originally Posted by benw123 View Post
    That it happens to be a very underrated car will be lost on many unfortunately.
    True. I had the loan of a Prius for two weeks when they 1st came out. Nice enough car with some very impressive technology.

    Unfortunately they are now a victim of their own advertising and hype.



    Btw, were you ever warned about not power hosing the rear vents on yours. Apparently the vents lead straight to the batteries.

  30. #69
    benw123's Avatar
    Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Herts, UK
    Posts
    1,863
    Quote Originally Posted by AndyMac View Post
    Now you are taking the piss!
    Eh?
    2004 A3 Sportback 2.0TDI SE, RNS-E Sat Nav SW0650 TMC, 17" Star Alloys, Xenons, DIS, Rear Mats & Sunblind, Alu trim, Ebony Black pearlescent
    2006 Honda Accord EX i-CTDI, Arctic Blue, Leather, Sat Nav, XCarLink

  31. #70
    benw123's Avatar
    Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Herts, UK
    Posts
    1,863
    Quote Originally Posted by karl7900 View Post
    Btw, were you ever warned about not power hosing the rear vents on yours. Apparently the vents lead straight to the batteries.
    No I didn't know that actually - great tip, thanks.
    2004 A3 Sportback 2.0TDI SE, RNS-E Sat Nav SW0650 TMC, 17" Star Alloys, Xenons, DIS, Rear Mats & Sunblind, Alu trim, Ebony Black pearlescent
    2006 Honda Accord EX i-CTDI, Arctic Blue, Leather, Sat Nav, XCarLink

  32. #71
    karl7900's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    1,402
    When I collected the one I borrowed, the dealer pointed it out to me. It's o.k to hose around the vents. Just not directly into them.

  33. #72
    marriedblonde's Avatar
    Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Sunny South Coast
    Posts
    4,368
    Are diesels that much more to buy than the petrol equiv? I thought the Audis were a only a couple of hundred more...

    Personally I drive a bigish engined petrol car as my daily driver. I average 280ish from a tank so around 28mpg. Which I think is acceptable. I cover about 35K a year.

    When I had my A3 2.0Tdi I only got high 30's out of that on my commute and it wasn't as fun to drive as my BM.

    For the family car we went for a diesel as it suited the car a lot better.

    I'm planning on sticking with petrol for my next car as well.

    J.
    Married and blonde yes, but still a guy with a poor taste in usernames!

    Mercedes Benze E-class 350 sport convertable, black, pacha grey leather, 19" AMG rims, HK stero and a few more toys
    VW Scirocco 2.0Tsi GT with Revo stage 2, evoms induction kit, lowered, short shift, miltek
    BMW 330 Coupe M sport Black, Black leather, Nav and a lot of other options.
    BMW Z4 Coupe Sport in black with a few toys - going friday and gonna be missed by my lad.
    A3 2.0Tdi S-Line DSG. Gone but not forgotten

  34. #73
    Gti Jazz Blue's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Hampshire
    Posts
    1,654
    Quote Originally Posted by karl7900 View Post
    If they ever do, then we are all screwed!
    That'll be the next thing taxed after air.

    2011 (MY12) Skoda Octavia II FL VRS Manual Hatch 2.0Tsi in Race Blue.
    Gone not forgotten -
    2005 Black A3 (8P1) S-Line 2.0TDi DSG. Eibach Pro Springs, Koni FSD shocks and a few bling bits inside.
    Revo 99 GTi Turbo, too much to list mod wise.
    92 Golf Gti Mark 2 16V.

    VCDS HEX-USB+CAN

  35. #74
    karl7900's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    1,402
    Quote Originally Posted by Gti Jazz Blue View Post
    That'll be the next thing taxed after air.

    I should be ok then....

 

 
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO

Garage Plus, Vendor Tools vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO