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    Just foind this: B8 AUDI A4 CR TDI.....Economy - VW TDI forum and Audi TDI forum - myturbodiesel.com

    Indicates that the B8 uses a balancer shaft system and the Seat Exeo has the same. I suspect failure rates to being in a few years time much like what we are suffering unless they have properly fixed the parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath View Post
    Just foind this: B8 AUDI A4 CR TDI.....Economy - VW TDI forum and Audi TDI forum - myturbodiesel.com

    Indicates that the B8 uses a balancer shaft system and the Seat Exeo has the same. I suspect failure rates to being in a few years time much like what we are suffering unless they have properly fixed the parts.
    and lets not forget the Skodi 2.0tdi and Passat 2.0tdi (post 2009) units are already showin these engine designs have latent defects associated with the oil pump/balance shaft assemblies............go on, ask a Taxi driver !
    I guess if you REALLY must have another VAG car its a case of DON't buy a 2.0 tdi.

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    Originally Posted by WrathJust foind this: B8 AUDI A4 CR TDI.....Economy - VW TDI forum and Audi TDI forum - myturbodiesel.com

    Indicates that the B8 uses a balancer shaft system and the Seat Exeo has the same. I suspect failure rates to being in a few years time much like what we are suffering unless they have properly fixed the parts.



    and lets not forget the Skodi 2.0tdi and Passat 2.0tdi (post 2009) units are already showin these engine designs have latent defects associated with the oil pump/balance shaft assemblies............go on, ask a Taxi driver !
    I guess if you REALLY must have another VAG car its a case of DON't buy a 2.0 tdi.
    guys, you saying there is a chance that they are recycling these f*cked up assemblies???
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    Quote Originally Posted by peroni View Post
    guys, you saying there is a chance that they are recycling these f*cked up assemblies???


    No , what I am saying is that there is a similar design ( if not identical) of oil pump/balance shaft assembly in the Skoda 2.0 tdi and the Passat 2.0 tdi units that is also failing in SOME engines.

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    I'm still arguing with Audi over mine.

    But guys do we know if the new A5 2.0 tdi still has this same issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B7 View Post
    I totally agree with you Wrath but there are posts ( I am sure ?) in this thread where I have read that even when new the replacement kits have exhibited "play" between the components and it is indeed this "play" that causes rounding of the hex shafts.
    I am sure Murran can add a valued comment here as and when he catches up on his reading .........................
    yes new hex bits arnt a tight fit in the new units.
    brilliant idea, making your own slightly oversize hex bit! a slightly interferance fit to stop it jiggling about wearing itself out.
    wonder why audi cant do that?

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    Hi, sadly I'm welcoming my self to the club, the club of people who have been screwed by this problem.
    Has no one come up with an acronym yet for us poor b*****ds with this problem? We need to get membership cards or something

    Joking aside

    The patient: A4 B7 Sline 2.0TDI 170 80,000miles

    My first Audi, had it 3 WEEKS, ......3 EFFING WEEKS! was really enjoying it and the oil light came on blah blah blah you've heard it all before...
    The usual repair along with the Turbo, Audi Edinburgh quoted me £3600 for the repair , but to their testament, they had already applied to Audi UK for a 'good will' gesture towards this, so waiting to hear back...

    I went in to speak to them, without me having to argue or grovel for anything yet, they offered me 70% off the parts and Audi Edinburgh themselves would take a 1/3 off the labour.
    So £1400, a LOT better! Albeit it still very painful and gut-wrenching as I've only has it 3 weeks.

    There was a slight catch though, if the car has been serviced via Audi, they would give me it no problem, but it hadn't.
    It had though been serviced just 2 months ago by a specialist (with previous owner), Audi said though, and I couldn't really argue it, unless I could get a list of the parts from the garage showing it was serviced with genuine Audi parts then I would have to pay £299 for Audi to service it first.
    So I argued it somewhat saying surely you can't charge me the full £299 for the service considering the car is half stripped already etc.. and surely it's far quicker and easier for the service to be done now that they have the car already etc.. so that got me a measly £50 more off, but I'll take it.

    I'm hoping to get the car back early this week, after being in for 2 weeks now, delay on parts etc..

    So...........
    The Good: I got a sizable chunk of cash off the bill without having to ask for it and they have been very pleasant to deal with.
    The Bad: it's still costing me a lot of money for a bad Audi design fault.


    I'd like some honest opinions here:
    When I get it back, as much as it would pain me, should I look to get rid of it? Will it just happen again?
    Planning on keeping it for 2-3 years, doing 12K max a year.

    It's a beautiful car, a lovely looking s-line with gorgeous two-tone leather sport s-line seats , I love it to drive. But I need to be realistic.

    Thanks guys.

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    lolz another one?
    failing at 80k? that rains on the parade of the chap saying he knows of a blb engine doing 240k without any failures. haha.

    did audi say whether its the chain drive to the balance shafts thats failed? or the hex drive from the balance shafts to the oil pump?

    if the're replacing the whole balance shafts mech with new oil pump etc and doing the spur gear mod to replace the excisting chain drive???
    i think post the work being done, you have many years and 60k+ of trouble free motoring concerning this particular faulty bit of design.

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    Hi everyone. i need quick help

    i have Audi A6 2004 2.0 TDI sline 130000miles
    i have read a lot here about oil pump..
    VIN WAUZZZ4Fx5N055997 A6 lim 2.0 tdi R4 103 kw BLB GYX

    can someone help me should i worry about this oil pump problem
    on service record i am not seeing any part change about this what you saying here.
    Can someone check for me Atka what i have chain or belt...
    i have no noise form engine everything worked perfect so far.
    i have this car one month and when i was buying this car i never heard about this problem before.

    so i am just worry what i should do now?

    can you help me please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konrad Switlicki-Paprocki View Post
    Hi everyone. i need quick help

    i have Audi A6 2004 2.0 TDI sline 130000miles
    i have read a lot here about oil pump..
    VIN WAUZZZ4Fx5N055997 A6 lim 2.0 tdi R4 103 kw BLB GYX

    can someone help me should i worry about this oil pump problem
    on service record i am not seeing any part change about this what you saying here.
    Can someone check for me Atka what i have chain or belt...
    i have no noise form engine everything worked perfect so far.
    i have this car one month and when i was buying this car i never heard about this problem before.

    so i am just worry what i should do now?

    can you help me please?


    I don't think ETKA is of any use on this issue, you will need to drop the sump off the engine to check if your BLB is chain or gear
    driven.
    And it WAS ME who said he knows of a BLB with 240k on the clock an I had my own BLB unit fail at 68k ..........gofigure !

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    Quote Originally Posted by murran View Post
    did audi say whether its the chain drive to the balance shafts thats failed? or the hex drive from the balance shafts to the oil pump?
    They never said, it's actually quite awkward doing it through Audi, I only get to speak to my Female service manager, never the people who actually work on the car, she herself doesn't appear to be very mechanically minded herself.

    Quote Originally Posted by murran View Post
    if the're replacing the whole balance shafts mech with new oil pump etc and doing the spur gear mod to replace the excisting chain drive???
    I'll ask for a full breakdown on everything they have done when I get it back.

    Quote Originally Posted by murran View Post

    i think post the work being done, you have many years and 60k+ of trouble free motoring concerning this particular faulty bit of design.
    I was hoping someone would say that, I'd love to keep it and drive it for a couple of years, it's almost been in the garage now longer than I've driven it!


    Thanks.

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    Hi guys

    Im new here but another to add to the growing list. My 2.0 tdi 2005 100k is very noisy and has been diagnosed with rattling chain by independent in Bristol. Quoted £1750 to repair assuming no other damage.


    Full Audi service history by previous owners. Thought about complaining or going to Audi for goodwill but based on some posts I can't see the point. Got to wait till 23rd April for parts. Bought Audi for quality and reliability never had one before and landed with large bill after 9 months. Doh.


    Mark

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    I know EXACTLY how you feel Mrcofpep, and mine went after 3 weeks of ownership! Getting it back Wednesday after being off the road for 2 weeks.
    See my post further up this page, got some really 'good will' from Audi Edinburgh without having to ask for it, that lets you know they admit there is an issue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrcofpep View Post
    Hi guys

    Im new here but another to add to the growing list. My 2.0 tdi 2005 100k is very noisy and has been diagnosed with rattling chain by independent in Bristol. Quoted £1750 to repair assuming no other damage.


    Full Audi service history by previous owners. Thought about complaining or going to Audi for goodwill but based on some posts I can't see the point. Got to wait till 23rd April for parts. Bought Audi for quality and reliability never had one before and landed with large bill after 9 months. Doh.


    Mark
    That is a really good price! You may as well try the goodwill route, it's better than a kick in the [insert a*se, c*ck, teeth, face, wife].
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B7 View Post
    No , what I am saying is that there is a similar design ( if not identical) of oil pump/balance shaft assembly in the Skoda 2.0 tdi and the Passat 2.0 tdi units that is also failing in SOME engines.
    That's true. I have a Skoda 2.0 tdi pd, and my engine code is BSS. The hex shaft is clearly worn off. My oil led didn't lit (yet), but I noticed an awful engine sound few days ago and had it checked at my local service. They are suggesting the whole balance shaft replacement, but that's not likely to happen. I already bought a new hex shaft and still investigating what other parts might suffered and how to fix them too. What about the drive socket for the hex shaft? Can it also be damaged? And did anyone noticed worn off bearings? They also say I should replace them, but I don't agree with them. Also, they can't be bought separately nowhere, and don't have a catalogue number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burs View Post
    That's true. I have a Skoda 2.0 tdi pd, and my engine code is BSS. The hex shaft is clearly worn off. My oil led didn't lit (yet), but I noticed an awful engine sound few days ago and had it checked at my local service. They are suggesting the whole balance shaft replacement, but that's not likely to happen. I already bought a new hex shaft and still investigating what other parts might suffered and how to fix them too. What about the drive socket for the hex shaft? Can it also be damaged? And did anyone noticed worn off bearings? They also say I should replace them, but I don't agree with them. Also, they can't be bought separately nowhere, and don't have a catalogue number.

    Hello Burs, sorry to hear about your Skoda 2.0 tdi issues and I have a neighbour with a Taxi company who has experienced the very same issues as yourself on his own firms cars ( Skoda 2.0 tdi powered units)
    For the record when I had my Audi BLB engine in at the main dealer for the oil/pump balance shaft replaced I was also advised to have the bearing shells replaced as they were(I was informed) worn. The additional cost for this was circa £200 and I just authorised them to do it while the engine was down. That said I have not read about anyone else on this forum doing the same.
    Good luck with your engine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B7 View Post
    For the record when I had my Audi BLB engine in at the main dealer for the oil/pump balance shaft replaced I was also advised to have the bearing shells replaced as they were(I was informed) worn. The additional cost for this was circa £200 and I just authorised them to do it while the engine was down.Paul B7
    Thanks for the reply. £200 is acceptable price, but I can't find it anywhere, and I was searching for them pretty everywhere. Everyone is telling me I must purchase a complete balance shaft module in order to get them, and the price is £1,100 (without hands), so that's not going to happen. Some people I asked told me bearings are ok and they don't neccesserily have to be replaced as the shafts are still firmly fitted and don't move a bit. I will just replace the hex shaft and close it alltogether and see what happens. The gear drives are ok, and according what I have read in this topic, it's either them or the hex shaft. So... fingers crossed and hoping for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burs View Post
    Thanks for the reply. £200 is acceptable price, but I can't find it anywhere, and I was searching for them pretty everywhere. Everyone is telling me I must purchase a complete balance shaft module in order to get them, and the price is £1,100 (without hands), so that's not going to happen. Some people I asked told me bearings are ok and they don't neccesserily have to be replaced as the shafts are still firmly fitted and don't move a bit. I will just replace the hex shaft and close it alltogether and see what happens. The gear drives are ok, and according what I have read in this topic, it's either them or the hex shaft. So... fingers crossed and hoping for the best.
    I suspect you are misreading my previous post. lets start again................
    When I had my oil pump/balance shaft assembly replaced (parts alone were circa £1100 ) I was advised by Audi Teesside that my bearing shells (these are on the crank shaft) needed replacing AS WELL ................my TOTAL bill for the parts and labour (including a timing belt kit and water pump ) was just over £2000.This was for a 2.0 tdi BLB engine with 68K.

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    Sorry for the misunderstanding. My problem lies only in the balance shaft assembly, so I was searching for the bearings inside that part. The crankshaft, camshaft, water pump, oil pump, all is ok and they don't need to be replaced (at least not right now). I know the easiest thing would be to change the whole car, but I'm trying not to pay for the parts which could last for years to come. Today my car will be assembled again, so I'll post here if it's any better. Thanks anyway!

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    Hi Paul

    The parts are used, how ever Mike gives you 6months warranty if he fits it, and 3months if you just buy the part. I got the Oil Pump Balance Shaft and gear sprocket.

    Thanks
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    I have 05 plate a4 2.0tdi (140), my car sounds like a tractor :/ i took it in to birmingham audi service centre and one of the blokes said its possibly due to my "pully" and quoted me £300 for parts and labour, im confused :s

    do you guys think its this oil pump or pully?

    oh and when i turn the wheel in idle side to side (not full lock) the engine makes a sqweeking noise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeem Mahmood View Post
    I have 05 plate a4 2.0tdi (140), my car sounds like a tractor :/ i took it in to birmingham audi service centre and one of the blokes said its possibly due to my "pully" and quoted me £300 for parts and labour, im confused :s

    do you guys think its this oil pump or pully?

    oh and when i turn the wheel in idle side to side (not full lock) the engine makes a sqweeking noise
    If your being quoted £300 pounds its NOT the oil pump/ balance shaft assembly thats in question.Probably something like the Alternator Pulley ( but £300 seems high for this ) ?

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    can someone shed some light on my issues please? i dont think my car has this issue yet, i have an 05 blb engined a4.

    my vin number ends in 998 and cant find any reference as to what gear i have fitted???? all i no that is in my service history, (before i owned it) iv got 'major engine components' @ £429??? dated 6/8/07 and also have a warranty invoice for fitting new cambelt and tenioner? dated 3/8/07??????? can someone run my chassis number?

    or am i best just ringing the garage that did this and asking what it was?

    chris

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    got my car booked in for a service this thursday and to check for this problem, prepared for the worst, not sure if i should get it fixed or trade in :/

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    mines in friday, will get a figure of what its gonna cost then chuck it through the auction i guess

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    I called into my local Indy yesterday while passing to book my wifes car in for its MOT and had a chat with one of the mechanics I have been dealing with there for some fifteen years or so.....................
    Two years back he had heard but never experienced any oil pump /balance shaft problems on the 2.0tdi units but since Xmas they have had three such failures in . The current one is on a 2.0 Petrol so its NOT ONLY on the 2.0 tdi units.
    All the cars he has worked on seem to have failed with mileages in the 60- 80k range.

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    Quick question guys. What does the warning light look like?

    My manual says there are two types.

    1) Check Engine Oil Level. An oil can with the word MIX underneath

    and

    2) Check Oil Sensor Defective. An oil can with the word SENSOR underneath

    Which one will kill my engine if it comes on???

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    I am wondering about the same as Boro&Beth. I got a TDI 2.0 2005 (blb) two moths ago, 72000 km, working perfectly fine, until the yellow oil lamp (showing the can with MIX under) turned on (about 2000 km after the last oil-shift service which was in oktober). The oil-dipstick showed oil level at the min. mark and I topped up (2 dl) with the Shell long life oil with the right specifications. However, 150 km later, the oil lamp started lighting again while I was driving, and I put on another 2 dl right away after once again inspecting the oil level at the min. mark. After that, initially the oil light went off, but after driving 1 km (hitting for my house) it went on again, so i once again opened the front, checked the oil level which this time was above the min. mark with good margin (the same as when I controlled it after topping it up). I turned on the motor again, and this time it was gone, and has been off since, so don`t now why this happened just for a moment before it switched of again, but probably I thought the sensor having problems adapt quickly to the new oil-level, even though in seems strange as the oil-light was of right after i put in the oil.

    Anyhow, after this, first I thought these oil-problems was related to high oil-comsumption (the instr. book says that this engine can use as much as 0.5-1 L per 1000 km (which is a lot!!!). When I called Audi after that the oil lamp went on the first time(2000 km since last service), he toled me these engines uses oil, and that it was within the normal range. After the more complicated second time I asked for a check and he told me that if a insisted we could do a oil shift (switching to the better castrol oil), and do controlled measurement of oil-consumption and eventually investigate further if indicated.

    1) Then I found this thread, and also some articles about he oil-pump/balance shaft problems with TDI 2.0. Could my problems be in relation to this or is this normal oil consumption for this car? I have not had any further problems or heard any special noises from the motor.

    2) Those who have had the oil lamp turned on in relation to broken chain/balance shift problems. Is it the red light (which says that you need to stop the motor as soon as i safe), or the yellow light ( whichs says you need to check the oil level)? And if the yellow, the one with MIX or SENSOR?

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    Thanks for this thread - I had the 2.0TDI A4 with the BRE engine on a 56 plate, I had just paid the finance off and was looking forward to a year or two payment free......then I stumbled into all these horror stories of new engines and blown turbos, and with a tightening feeling in the stomach I looked at the mileage (75,000) and paid my Audi dealer a visit and traded the thing in against a nearly new A3 1.9TDI and haven't looked back....it can be someone elses problem thank you very much!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris85 View Post
    Hi

    I am wondering about the same as Boro&Beth. I got a TDI 2.0 2005 (blb) two moths ago, 72000 km, working perfectly fine, until the yellow oil lamp (showing the can with MIX under) turned on (about 2000 km after the last oil-shift service which was in oktober). The oil-dipstick showed oil level at the min. mark and I topped up (2 dl) with the Shell long life oil with the right specifications. However, 150 km later, the oil lamp started lighting again while I was driving, and I put on another 2 dl right away after once again inspecting the oil level at the min. mark. After that, initially the oil light went off, but after driving 1 km (hitting for my house) it went on again, so i once again opened the front, checked the oil level which this time was above the min. mark with good margin (the same as when I controlled it after topping it up). I turned on the motor again, and this time it was gone, and has been off since, so don`t now why this happened just for a moment before it switched of again, but probably I thought the sensor having problems adapt quickly to the new oil-level, even though in seems strange as the oil-light was of right after i put in the oil.

    Anyhow, after this, first I thought these oil-problems was related to high oil-comsumption (the instr. book says that this engine can use as much as 0.5-1 L per 1000 km (which is a lot!!!). When I called Audi after that the oil lamp went on the first time(2000 km since last service), he toled me these engines uses oil, and that it was within the normal range. After the more complicated second time I asked for a check and he told me that if a insisted we could do a oil shift (switching to the better castrol oil), and do controlled measurement of oil-consumption and eventually investigate further if indicated.

    1) Then I found this thread, and also some articles about he oil-pump/balance shaft problems with TDI 2.0. Could my problems be in relation to this or is this normal oil consumption for this car? I have not had any further problems or heard any special noises from the motor.

    2) Those who have had the oil lamp turned on in relation to broken chain/balance shift problems. Is it the red light (which says that you need to stop the motor as soon as i safe), or the yellow light ( whichs says you need to check the oil level)? And if the yellow, the one with MIX or SENSOR?
    Absolute identical symptoms to what I had - I had the 2.0TDI A4 on a 56 plate (with the BRE engine). Usually once the car was serviced, and you had fresh oil in (Castrol SLXIII to the VW 504 spec), you would normally get about 8000 miles before all this 'crying wolf' routine started. Usually it would genuinely need oil the first time it happened (oil about halfway down the dipstick, but not actually at "MIN"); top it up and the warning goes away.

    Then it comes on after about a further 2000 miles, and as the oil gets older, you continuously keep topping up again (a little less each time) to get rid of the warning, until eventually it gets to the point where the dipstick is at MAX and you get that wretched "beeeeeeeeeep" and the yellow oil can symbol appears after about 3 or 4 miles, after resetting the warning by opening and closing the bonnet. Sometimes adding the slightest splash of oil would make the warning go away for a bit, (sometimes it would actually disappear during driving and the radio/CD track display would come back in the DIS once the new oil had circulated), but the oil can warning was always on continuously once I was near the end of the LongLife service period, even when the level was at MAX.

    I had two oil sensors replaced under warranty, but to no avail. It started driving me mad until I eventually I gave up and put it down to a characteristic of the car and got into the habit of ignoring the warning, accepting that next time it has an oil change you get another 8000 miles of oil can warning lamp-free use. I was on the verge of getting my friendly VW specialist to see if there was a way of disabling the damn thing using VAG-COM and using the old traditional method (i.e the dipstick) instead!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boro&Beth View Post
    Quick question guys. What does the warning light look like?

    My manual says there are two types.

    1) Check Engine Oil Level. An oil can with the word MIX underneath

    and

    2) Check Oil Sensor Defective. An oil can with the word SENSOR underneath

    Which one will kill my engine if it comes on???
    Neither. Yellow warnings in the DIS mean advisories (Level 2 faults - low fuel, low washer fluid, blown bulbs), whilst red warnings (Level 1 faults) are serious faults which could either kill something major on the car, or put your safety in danger. As far as the yellow oil can symbols go, one is merely saying the engine oil is at minimum (but if you read my post above you will see that the sensor can be notoriously unreliable on TDI engines), whilst the other is saying the oil level sensing system is faulty and you have to use the good ol' dipstick instead.

    If, on the other hand a LARGE oil can symbol appears in RED where the trip computer normally is displayed in the DIS, this indicates a loss of engine oil pressure. This is very serious and you must stop the engine immediately it is safe to do so, otherwise the turbo could be totalled along with the rest of the motor!! Don't do it when you are on a twisty road though as the power assistance to the steering and brakes will be cut, don't put your life in danger in order to save your engine....!

    If you want to see what the "serious" oil warning looks like, simply press the "CHECK" button with the engine ticking over, and the DIS will cycle through all the Level 1 fault symbols (low oil pressure, low coolant, low brake fluid, etc), and finish with the yellow "OK" at the top.
    Last edited by RapidAssistant; 17th April 2012 at 17:41.

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    Handed my A4 to dealers in the morning, got a call back and have been quoted £2000 to fix oil/drive shaft

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    im a technician and if your red warning light has come in its more than likely your balance shaft has gone which in turn brings excessive play in the impleler of the turbo due to lack of oil pressure, if you turned the engine off quick enough you will save your engine and will just require a new balance shaft and turbo. at work we have always replaced these items and the cars are always fine, however ive just purchased a car b7 a4 2.0litre tdi brd 2007 off a customer at work as he couldnt afford to repair the car. my car needed a turbo which is £1200 from audi and a balance shaft which is £800. i thought this was excessive so i removed the balance shaft and ive repaired it with brand new parts and its more than 75% cheaper than a balance shaft replacement. i also got a re conditioned turbo for £500 which is spot on. so u can fix your car cheaper than you might think. if your near me i dont mind helping others out!

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    drive shaft/oil pump changed.... £2000 + alternator pully :s was planning on trading it in for a S3 but prolly keep it for a lil longer since its sounding like a normal car again

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    Paul B7,
    In response to your post 602 and subsequent posts, I too have been in correspondence with Audi UK / VW Group Legal Services. I had the identical quote, that if there had been a design defect the fault would have shown up much sooner. Have you seen the article in Audi Driver Magazine from May 2009. It says this fault can show from 70,000 miles so their respose is technically wrong. I can supply the article - email me robert at ejhales dot co dot uk .
    I have supplied Audi / VW with this article, and so far they have completely ignored it in all replies. Legal services first reply to my post warranty claim, was that after "thorough investigation" the most likely cause of engine failure was deteriorating oil quality caused by a missed service. You would think that when i proved to them the car had a Full audi main dealer service history they would admit they were wrong, but no. Next they merely state the car is outside of warranty, and their 50% contribution to my repair (£7,500 total) was generous, and they will not increase it.

    I too am now considering a small claims action. Maybe we can swap notes.

    I have the BRE engine in an 06 A6, which failed at 113,000 miles needing reconditioned engine and turbo. It has just done 130,000 miles, and going well.

    Audi just do not care - so much for vorsprung durch technik

    R

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    In all, it is pretty scandalous given that at the time, these cars cost at least £22k new (before options), which we paid in the hope we were buying a well designed, well thought out piece of German engineering that would if need be, go well into a six figure mileage without any major mechanical failure. The Audi badge lies.

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    Hi ppl

    found this on ebay. might be some help to ppl.
    Audi A4 A6 VW Passat 2.0tdi Oil Pump Chain tensioner kit | eBay
    CURRENT CAR: AUDI A4 B6 1.8T QUATTRO SPORT

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    Just to reiterate, Audi dealers will not fit a replacement chain assembly, they will only fit the newer gear driven mechanism.
    Nathan

    Red Audi A4 B7 S-Line with Leather/Alcantara interior

    Current Mods: Painted Brake Calipers, Gear-driven oil shaft assembly, RS4 grille, Debadged, B8 MFSW, Cruise Control, RS4-style Fog Surrounds, Satin Black Cupra R Splitter, RS4 RARB, Clear Corner headlights, 2011 RNS-e, MTEC Drilled and Grooved Brake Discs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B7 View Post
    Has anyone seen or heard about a reliability survey that was reprted in the Daily Mirror on I believe on the 30th January 2012.
    I understand the statistics show 1 in 3 ( YES, ONE IN THREE )Audi 2.0tdi engines from vehicles registered between 2005 and 2009 have experienced severe engine problems?
    If this is the case then I guess the statistics include the B7 AND the B8 engines ?
    If anyone has seen or read the article ( and I haven't) perhaps they could chip in here and add/confirm or correct what I have just written ?

    Paul B7
    Here it is:-

    • By Mirror.co.uk
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    Older cars cheaper to fix and 10% less likely to break down

    Older cars are cheaper to fix and 10% less likely to break down than expensive new ones, a study out today reveals.

    Older cars are cheaper to fix and 10% less likely to break down than expensive new ones, a study out today reveals.
    Dated versions of the *Vauxhall Zafira, Ford Fiesta, BMW 3 Series and Audi A4 have been identified as “Peter Pan” cars – as they do not show their age.
    Insurers Warranty Direct said the average repair bill for a Fiesta built between 2002 and 2008 was almost double that of a 1995-2002 model.
    Newer Zafiras, meanwhile, are twice as likely to get an electrical fault as older ones, with 45% breaking every year.
    One in three 2005-2009 Audi A4s will have engine woes, as opposed to only one in 10 of 2000-2005 versions.
    More recent BMW 3 Series models are around three times more likely to pick up braking system faults than earlier vehicles.
    Warranty Direct said: “Buying new may be the most desirable option when it comes to purchasing a car but it isn’t always the most cost-effective route.
    “Our analysis shows new doesn’t necessarily mean more reliable – not to mention the steeper repair costs. So as well as paying over the odds for a new car, you may also be opening yourself up to additional, unwanted costs.”

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    Hi had my audi a4 tdi 140 two years now completed services at said intervals was booked in next week for cambelt and full service. But to my look car juddered to a hault and will start but clouds of smoke and wont rev. At the time no warning lights at all but after re -starting and all the smoke the engine warning light came on so switched straight off. Havnt had it checked but at first it was the fault that the 170 b7's have but then saw this topic. Now worried about either as there both 1500 plus this sounds even worse though. Contacted audi who say there are no faults showing for my vehicle.
    What i want to know is if people have experienced this fault on a regular occasion then why have audi not addmitted to a design fault? Also ifthere is anything i could do to help the cause of getting them to get there hand in there pockets?

    Cheers Brent

 

 

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