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    my coolant loss story

    I wonder why i ever bought this bloody A3?

    I've had the car for a good 10 months before my first coolant loss. At first i took it to audi to get pressure tested and it showed up with nothing at all and they charged me 50 for it. Audi stafford said they can look into it further but i cant spend 100 a day on labour just to look for the problem.

    So i took it to midland vw audi specialist and jodie looked at it, saw the rad was ok and booked it in for the new turbo which it needed and the head gasket thinking that as where the coolant was leaking. He also had the replace the EGR because that was leaking.

    Total cost so far 1550 spent on the car.

    I was happy enough because i thought that was it over but roughly 700miles later COOLANT flashed at me again.

    so it was booked back in at midland vw and jodie found a small clip on a hose that was covered in a red substance (coolant) so he replaced the hose and clip for free (which i thought was nice of them) and i set on my way again thinking that was it done with.

    500 miles later COOLANT flash flash

    so today i took it to midland vw again and jodie had a quick look and said its the engine is bone dry and is showing no leaks outside of the engine and has finally come to the worst conclusion that it is the cylinder head which is the most feared thing because i've heard the cost can be above 2k which is money i haven't got.

    The only bit of good news Jodie has given me is that he will wave the labour cost for me so i will just be paying for the parts which i think is about 560. This did cheer me up abit.

    So i have spent a fortune on this car just for a little water leak, im not sure i will fully trust this car again.

    The worst part is that i cant justify selling my car once fixed because i bought it for 9k a year ago and its only worth 5k now and i've spent 2k on it. so if i sell it that mean i've lost 6k in a year, i dont even earn more than 6k a year cos i a bloody student.

    I'm actually thinking it would be better if i were to crash my car and get the insurance money.

    cheers

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    800 spent on my car in a week, is that excessive? B***ocks is it

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    I think there must be a curse on dark grey 2004 3dr 2.0tdi's as mine has been a complete pain in the ass too! I feel for you mate, hope it gets fixed soon.

    Its never a good idea to crash a car and try and claim on insurance, the best thing I would suggest is fill it up with coolant, take it to a dealer and px it....

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    Have you monitored the amount of coolant it is losing and the oil level? If it is the cylinder head the coolant will be going into the oil and causing the oil level to rise. I wouldn't get the cylinder head done without diagnosing it first. The small consolation is that if you get the head replaced you will get the new improved version of the cylinder head that should not cause you any problems
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batt284 View Post
    Have you monitored the amount of coolant it is losing and the oil level? If it is the cylinder head the coolant will be going into the oil and causing the oil level to rise. I wouldn't get the cylinder head done without diagnosing it first. The small consolation is that if you get the head replaced you will get the new improved version of the cylinder head that should not cause you any problems
    i was told that even if the coolant was leaking from the cylinder head it wouldn't get into the oil but i will check again anyway
    now : A3 2.0 TDI, ST-3 remap, coilovers, matte black rs6 alloys

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    Jodie is sound at midland VW, he will sort it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_R View Post
    Jodie is sound at midland VW, he will sort it!
    i do trust jodie, he is a great person to know

    i've always taken my cars there

    he has done alot of work on my old 1.4 golf and now my a3 and he knos his stuff well.
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    Don't Audi offer an extended warranty on the porous cylinder heads? Surely, a porous cylinder head would be deemed to be "not fit for purpose" under the Sale of Goods Act?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davemk View Post
    Don't Audi offer an extended warranty on the porous cylinder heads? Surely, a porous cylinder head would be deemed to be "not fit for purpose" under the Sale of Goods Act?
    they sometime offer goodwill gesture

    however because mine is now 3 years out of warranty and has 97k on the clock and it hasnt got a full audi service history there's no chance i will get one

    its been serviced at audi all its life except the year i've owned it because i use midland vw

    i do hate audi sometimes
    now : A3 2.0 TDI, ST-3 remap, coilovers, matte black rs6 alloys

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    Quote Originally Posted by APL TDi View Post
    I think there must be a curse on dark grey 2004 3dr 2.0tdi's as mine has been a complete pain in the ass too!
    Make that 3!!! Mine's Lava Grey

    I had mine 11 months without any problems - best car I ever had (and I've had a lot!) - apart from the uneven idle.

    The one day driving home I got what appeared to be a slight misfire on light throttle (if it was a petrol engine I would understand, but not a diesel). Thought that it must be fuel filter so changed that. Then a few days later (friday evening in rush-hour) engine started jerking (as if no fuel) eventually got to a stage that it wouldn't drive. I could rev the engine, but as soon as you try to put then engine under any load it would just try to cut out.

    So I did a lot of logs with VCDS (no faults present) and I couldn't see/find anything wrong.

    I did a lot of searching on sites like these, and came up with a whole list of potential known VW/Audi common faults:
    1. Tandem Pump failure
    2. Lift pump failure
    3. Dual mass flywheel
    4. Engine speed sensor
    5. Wiring loom in cylinder head
    6. Injectors
    7. ECU
    8. MAF
    9. PowerBoard (central fuse box)
    10. EGR
    11. Fuel Filter clogging/blocking
    12. Turbo

    Not good or a 3-4 year old model!!

    I originally considered getting it to a stage that it will drive, and trade it in for a Anniversary GTI (TDI), but when I got some trade in values I would lose 6K in one year, and I definately wouldn't sell it to anyone privately.

    Instead, I've decided to replace all the necessary parts. First to find the fault, and secondly to give me peace of mind.

    So far I've replaced:
    Tandem Pump, Lift Pump, Dual Mass Flywheel, Engine speed sender, Turbo.

    At the minute it seems to be running OK but, then it is an intermittent failure.

    Next up is the injectors.

    While I'm changing all of the components I try to upgrade them so that I'm getting a better car.

    Sometimes I wish I'd never bought my A3.

    I've owned VW's and Audi's for the past 15 years, and as a result of this one I would never buy another one, or recommend one. In fact I go out of my way to tell people not to buy either a VW/Audi. But then what are your options if you're buying a new car???

    I've finished my rant now, what next should I upgrade!!!
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    that sounds awful

    my problem doesn't seem half as big as yours

    i know how you feel becuase i've lost so much money on my car is the space of a year and its a gutting feeling.

    good luck with getting it sorted
    now : A3 2.0 TDI, ST-3 remap, coilovers, matte black rs6 alloys

    800 spent on my car in a week, is that excessive? B***ocks is it

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    Oh man, way to make me even more paranoid.....
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    maybe if we re-spray our cars they will get better?
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    I think Audi should do a call back on all the 2003/2004 early 2005 models and fully check the engines out - they seem fairly troublesome but in saying that, mines needed an IMF and its been fine (MA).

    2004-60k.

    Mines black though :P
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    IMF?
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    Audi ur quattro - 1989 (was 2.2 5cyl turbo, currently evolving to 3.6 V8 twin turbo!)

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    but if you were audi would you call back every 2003/2004 model for a fix which costs 2k each?

    i would be doing the exact same thing if i were the managing director

    i knew i should have bought a focus HAHAHAHAHAHA
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    Mines Blue! But got the same coolant leak problems. Had it pressure tested small loss of pressure but no leaks found, sniffer test done that was all clear.
    that was from bmw specialist (yes i know bmw)
    They said up to me but just keep topping coolant up see if get worse. Told me id know about by know if was mixing with oil. car seams 2 run fine apart from staring when hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantdi View Post
    Mines Blue! But got the same coolant leak problems. Had it pressure tested small loss of pressure but no leaks found, sniffer test done that was all clear.
    that was from bmw specialist (yes i know bmw)
    They said up to me but just keep topping coolant up see if get worse. Told me id know about by know if was mixing with oil. car seams 2 run fine apart from staring when hot.
    same here
    starting when hot is sketchy

    it always starts just takes longer than when cold

    anybody else has this delay in starting when hot?
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    Cant say I have mate.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by A_C4mby View Post
    IMF?
    Intake Manifold Flap - fairly common prob on the vag range - i wrote a whole thread on it somewhere in this section :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex View Post
    but if you were audi would you call back every 2003/2004 model for a fix which costs 2k each?

    i would be doing the exact same thing if i were the managing director

    i knew i should have bought a focus HAHAHAHAHAHA
    Audi sell milions of cars - and the bkd engine or the engines in the late 03 to early 05 models were only in production for over a year! Surely it wont cost them that much... And only some of them have a prob - maybe a letter to Watchdog if the the people with the head issues come together!

    The engine with porous heads under the sale of goods act are definitly not fit for purpose (as mentioned below).

    My mums got a merc and they dont even charge a diagonostic fee if something goes wrong!! On a 03 plate too and the cars been in the fam since new and always been to the same merc garage!

    Audi are right ****** though and I doubt them ever doing anything like that. They even tried ripping me off before i bought my A3. I paid 11k for mine and they were selling the equivalent for 14k+!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaz219 View Post
    Audi sell milions of cars - and the bkd engine or the engines in the late 03 to early 05 models were only in production for over a year! Surely it wont cost them that much... And only some of them have a prob - maybe a letter to Watchdog if the the people with the head issues come together!

    The engine with porous heads under the sale of goods act are definitly not fit for purpose (as mentioned below).
    I would be happy to support the watchdog attempt! When you say only some have a problem, do you mean just the people with the late 03 to early 05 2.0 TDI engines?
    2.0 TDI SE 140

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    early BKD engine suffered with head porosity probs.

    i think thats what Kaz was getting at.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex View Post
    maybe if we re-spray our cars they will get better?
    This whole thread was worth reading just for this - i actually lol'd.

    Thanks Lex.
    awesome cars; both gone now though
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