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    HID kit question

    hi guys can HID's be fitted to replace the original headlights to a 8p with xeon's? reason i ask is i dont find the xeon's to be very bright on the unlit back roads, but my mates HID kit on his ibiza fr are so much better and are only 8k's.

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    You can put OEM Xenon headlight on your car, but just putting Hid kits in halogen lamps blows the wiper motor. Have a search

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    i all ready have OEM xenon headlights and find them very poor.

    so is there no way to fit HIDs to my car ?

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    i have done that mate, so it can be done. i have oem bi-xenons with 8000k HID bulbs and that works perfect. no need to get the whole kit as the aftermarket ballasts would cause issues.
    i got these bulbs:
    D1S Xenon HID Bulbs

    but these are cheaper:
    D1S HID Xenon Replacement Bulbs - Xenon HID Headlight Upgrade Kits from HIDs DIRECT Ltd

    not sure if our forum 10% discount code still works with hids-direct but you can try it by entering 'audi-sport.net' at the checkout.

    if you have standard xenons then you would need to get the D2S bulbs
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    awesome dude cheers, so its just a case of gettin x2 D2S bulbs? no harness or anything required and no warnings on the dash ?

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    Oh right sorry mate didn't realise this what you meant

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    Any pics itwasntme? Might upgrade mine

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    Am i missing something here ?
    You already have OEM Xenon lamps and you want to change them because they are not bright enough .
    So why would you change a 4300k OEM lamp for a 8000k lamp when the higher the "K" rating the lower the lamp brightness !!!
    Think the OEM lamps are as bright as you

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    can get
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    the 4300k are still very yellow and the light output might shine down the road furthest but its dim and doesnt look good. the 8000k ones light up the road much better.

    8000k in headlights and fogs



    brightness



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    Are you sure they are Xenon.
    With Xenon lamps the higher K rating they definately get dimmer and have more blue tinge . Never seen Xenons that look yellow.

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    Some other points you need to consider before you change your halogen to xenon lamps.Iv'e heard the 2012 MOT test will be taking a harder line on aftermarket lighting .

    1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

    2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

    3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.

    In practice this means:

    1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

    2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

    3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

    Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

    In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.

    If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:

    Transport Technology and Standards 6
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    Telephone: 020 7944 2078
    Fax: 020 7944 2196
    Email: TTS.enquiries@dft.gsi.gov.uk

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    LOL i have to agree with James on this one. The lower Kelvin bulbs are brighter. Audi use 4300k as oem which still has the yellow tint on it, however output a higher level of light luminance. I personally have the 6000k bulbs as i didnt want the yellowish tint but at same time want them to be bright. The 6000k is a good compromise, as it has a slight blue tint but mostly pure white light and bright at same time. i had 8000k on my old car which looked awesome with blue tint but wasn't as bright as the 6000k i have at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris1988brown View Post
    6000K IT WILL BE THEN
    i think 6000k will be the best mate , i had 6000k in the aftermarket hid's before they blew my wipers and was a nice bright light
    off the road boohoo anyone got a gearbox for me lol!!


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    james, what was the point in the essay? no one was talking about fitting a hid kit into standard halogen headlights! he just wants to change his bulbs to some more brighter ones! honestly dude
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueSpark View Post
    LOL i have to agree with James on this one. The lower Kelvin bulbs are brighter. Audi use 4300k as oem which still has the yellow tint on it, however output a higher level of light luminance. I personally have the 6000k bulbs as i didnt want the yellowish tint but at same time want them to be bright. The 6000k is a good compromise, as it has a slight blue tint but mostly pure white light and bright at same time. i had 8000k on my old car which looked awesome with blue tint but wasn't as bright as the 6000k i have at the moment.
    i was pretty sure that audi have switched to using a 5000k (or 5400k) bulb now to match the led drls. 6000k is probably the best compromise for light brightness over blue tinge, but the 8000k bulbs look great head on.
    also bare in mind i have bi-xenons so it doesnt really matter that i have 6000k or 8000k as a flick on a stalk and i have full beam xenons which lights up the whole area ahead of me its like driving in my own personal daylight
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    Sorry itwasntme187 i wasn't getting at anybody in the thread it was just a heads up for the 2012 MOT's for anybody who's thinking of upgrading from halogen lamps to HID

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    Has every car that's came from factory with xenons got washers ?

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    Yep and auto levelers

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    Oh well didn't think all older cars would have

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    No they don't.

    mitsubishi evo 9s, uk or jap have xenons but no levelling or washers.

    I really don't understand people who put anything more than 4300k in.

    OEM is 4150. The closest after market is 4300 which is what I would always buy. Headlights are for lighting the road, not to look awesome head on.

    Why would you choose something that does a worse job for the sake of how it looks to other people.

    There are plenty reasons why you shouldn't have high colour temp HIDs, mostly due to the energy associated with the frequency of the light causing additional bleed. The higher the colour temp the higher the bleed, meaning you lose the lovely sharp cut off lines you get from projector lenses.

    Bleed means glare and blinds oncoming drivers, but it also lights up the road less. In addition, higher energy light is worse of retention. Look at a blue light next to a red light then close your eyes and the image is much more retained for the blue than the red. Then think of oncoming drivers.

    I think you are spot on though, if you went the best compromise between the best possible HID lighting and the worst possible HID lighting, then 6000k is a good choice, but I just don't get what possible reason there is to have anything other than the best headlights.

    If that's what you want then it has to be OEM. If you can't have OEM then 4300k aftermarket but only in a projector lens.

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    BTW. HIDs are totally unsuitable for fog. To prevent ridiculous glare that you get from fog, you are far better off with the yellowist light possible. Yellow light has a much greater ability to cut through fog than daylight.

    I lights approaching daylight were good for cutting through fog then we'd be able to see through it in the first place, in which case we wouldn't need fog lights!

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    adam is right some cars don't have auto levelling and washers mainly jap stuff because its not a requirement in japan so they didn't used to bother with them I'm sure most of them have them now tho
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    Agreed, I think they do now.

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    i think its only the UK that has this law about levellers and washers lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by itwasntme187 View Post
    the 4300k are still very yellow and the light output might shine down the road furthest but its dim and doesnt look good. the 8000k ones light up the road much better.

    8000k in headlights and fogs



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    the xenon lamp

    Looks great! nice!

 

 

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