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Imola S3 said:
After fitting the my new dampers and lowering springs, I still get chassis roll and understeer.
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You will...and there's nothing wrong with that. Don't go making the Boy Racer error of thinking that a car has to be rock solid to handle. It doesn't. Roll is required...but needs to be limited and controlled.
As for understeer...there is a train of thought that says it's driver error.
I could drive my standard S3 and get no understeer at all...not easy admittedly, but it can be done.
Sometimes people have to re-assess how they drive to get the best from the chassis.
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From reading Glen's post above, installing the front ARB is a bit of a nightmare. Would leaving the original front ARB in and installing a larger rear ARB reduce understeer any?
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Yes...it'll help quash understeer by tending to add oversteer - and in effect making the chassis more neutral...but 1mm isn't enough and it'll still roll off the tyres at the front.
Please bear in mind that springs, dampers, ARBs, tyre sizes, tyre sidewall stiffness, tyre pressure and suspension angles all are a function of each other...change one, and you have to re-assess all the rest.
My set up works on my car...18" wheels, springs & dampers, ARBs and bespoke tyre pressures and suspension angles.
It may not work on all set ups.
What will work well however, is the relationship between H&R springs / Bilstein dampers and Neuspeed ARBs....but you have Eibach springs - so all bets are off! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Personally, I feel adding a 1mm rear bar only is only good for adding another meaningless line in someones 'mod list' in their signature. It doesn't affect the chassis enough to make it worthwhile. That's only my personal opinion mind...
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What size of rear ARB would be recommended with a 19mm front when the rear is 15mm? Would a 16mm rear ARB be enough? Would a 19mm rear ARB one be too much - 19mm front, 19mm back? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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I would not run a large rear and a standard front. At all.
The rear will be very stiff, adding oversteer...and the front will roll about like an old fishing boat...removing grip from the rear and putting you bang into snap oversteer situations. Add to that the unpredictability of the good old Haldex ststem and in my view, it's an accident waiting to happen.
I wrote my Integra Type-R off trying a foolhardy stunt like that...not recommended. Oh, and the ITR never had the power oversteer aspect the S3 could have.
To each, their own though...
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Glen went from 19 front and 15 rear to 22 front, 19 rear. An increase of 1 bias to the rear. So I'm guessing, changing to a 16mm rear ARB should be ok? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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Yes, this would work...and it will alter the chassis balance but the front will still roll.
To sort out the chassis you need to stop it rolling - and not by adding daft-hard dampers!
Once the roll is controlled you can adjust the attitude of roll br proportionally increasing ARB sizes to bias the chassis for understeer or oversteer.
Mine does neither...it's totally neutral. No understeer, no oversteer.
But, bear in mind that's got a lot of development in the way of suspension angles and tyre pressures added too...but the same ARB set up WILL work better than ANY other.
In my view, the 1mm bigger rear bar is next to worthless.
In my view the 'big' rear bar with standard front bar is potentially dangerous.
Do it once, do it right...
The Neuspeed stuff works. Period. I just don't see there being a better set up available as the Neuspeed set up is absolutely PERFECT. I don't use that phrase lightly...it is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. I could not have set it up better if I'd had access to all the ARBs in the world...it works.
I believe the R32 stuff would also work...but without searching, I can't remember the sizes for the R32 ARBs. Isn't the front R32 ARB even larger than the Neuspeed TT/S3 bar? It would make sense due to the heavier nose of the R32...but on an S3 this would tend to bies the car back to understeer.
Now, stop being a typical Aberdonian, stop trying to save a £ here and there...start saving and sort the chassis once and for all! you'll thank me in the end! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif