Revo 3 weeks ago, now seems sluggish

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Ok, I bought my S3 4 weeks ago, within a week I took the car to Volkscraft in Exeter to have Revo fitted. I had it done and it was better than i expected, amazingly quick! Now after 4 weeks it seems to be back to normal, quite sluggish, doesent pull as well, any ideas?

Cheers, Alex
 
T80RNY said:
Ok, I bought my S3 4 weeks ago, within a week I took the car to Volkscraft in Exeter to have Revo fitted. I had it done and it was better than i expected, amazingly quick! Now after 4 weeks it seems to be back to normal, quite sluggish, doesent pull as well, any ideas?

Cheers, Alex
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yeah sounds like they installed you with a trial map. only last`s a month m8.
 
might get my head bitten off here but if it is the revo trial then your ecu will revert to a Revo standard map which is slower than your original settings.... theres plenty on it although im not sure if it was ever proven
 
Think ill take it back and get him to Vag Com it and have a look, its definately not the same!
 
T80RNY said:
better not have, I paid £400 for it! :keule:
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Are you sure its just not familarity? did you have the DV changed? what fuel do you use? are you sure its not a custard code one?! :laugh:
 
I put the forge dump valve on before I had it chipped. I have been using super unleaded, either Shell V Power or other sort.
I thought it might have been familiarity, but my dad drove it back from the garage today and even he noticed it, that is saying something!

I took it back to where I got it from to have a couple bits sorted, is there any way they could have wiped it?
 
T80RNY said:
I took it back to where I got it from to have a couple bits sorted, is there any way they could have wiped it?
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If it was a dealer they WILL have wiped it mate. Always do.
 
Iggu said:
If it was a dealer they WILL have wiped it mate. Always do.
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If it were a new one they could of updated the ecu and wiped it but I've had mine for two and a half years and its been with (them robbing barstewards) the dealer for service/work and they haven't wiped it!?
take it back and tell them is the only answer
I paid 500 for my remap so how come you got it cheaper?
 
voorhees said:
If it were a new one they could of updated the ecu and wiped it but I've had mine for two and a half years and its been with (them robbing barstewards) the dealer for service/work and they haven't wiped it!?
take it back and tell them is the only answer
I paid 500 for my remap so how come you got it cheaper?
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Ah fair dos mate - my dealer reflashes the ECU for a laugh I'm sure of it. If it goes in to get the sunroof adjusted they reflash the ECU. Anal idiots.
 
voorhees said:
If it were a new one they could of updated the ecu and wiped it but I've had mine for two and a half years and its been with (them robbing barstewards) the dealer for service/work and they haven't wiped it!?
take it back and tell them is the only answer
I paid 500 for my remap so how come you got it cheaper?
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It went down in price about 6 weeks ago to £399.99 apparently!:arco:

oh, and its not a main dealer, its a place called castle motors in Cornwall!
 
try this, get in the car. Press the accelerator to the floor and turn the ignition on but don't start the engine. Count five seconds then remove your foot from the acelerator and start the engine. Take it for a spin and see if it makes a difference. It certainly did on my revo'd S3!
 
Iggu you have the new one as I remember you were at the Prosport Rolling Road?
T8 go see them as it just does not disappear
 
Im hoping its somthing as simple as its just been wiped, by the garage or he put the wrong thing on, hopefully!
 
Glad i didnt go for a revo,

custom maps are far better ...
 
leecs3 said:
try this, get in the car. Press the accelerator to the floor and turn the ignition on but don't start the engine. Count five seconds then remove your foot from the acelerator and start the engine. Take it for a spin and see if it makes a difference. It certainly did on my revo'd S3!
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what does this do exactly??
 
a31dle said:
what does this do exactly??
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IIRC it resets the full throttle sensor or WOT. Mine felt like it was slowing down after a few weeks, read about this little trick and the car came alive again. Basically i wasn't getting full throttle due to ECU adapting to town driving.
 
leecs3 said:
IIRC it resets the full throttle sensor or WOT. Mine felt like it was slowing down after a few weeks, read about this little trick and the car came alive again. Basically i wasn't getting full throttle due to ECU adapting to town driving.
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Ill give that a go friday when i get home!
 
leecs3 said:
IIRC it resets the full throttle sensor or WOT. Mine felt like it was slowing down after a few weeks, read about this little trick and the car came alive again. Basically i wasn't getting full throttle due to ECU adapting to town driving.
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I wonder who taught you this trick? :think::idea:

It resets the throttle position sensor and measure full and minimum throttle positions as the car is drive by wire, and as mentioned above, the car adapts to your driving style, so sometimes the throttle gets a bit lazy, this seems to bring some life back into throttle response.
 
S3mad said:
Glad i didnt go for a revo,

custom maps are far better ...
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We have said this before, only if the car has mods that will make a difference to factor in.... the standard maps are there to give optimal performance from a standard or near standard engine..... and will be tested on various vehicles continuously..... a custom one is as good as the numty programming it.... if they dont have a standard map my guess is that they do not know the engine as well as a VAG specialist and are blagging you

honestly cant see the point in a custom version unless you have mods
 
1animal1 said:
We have said this before, only if the car has mods that will make a difference to factor in.... the standard maps are there to give optimal performance from a standard or near standard engine..... and will be tested on various vehicles continuously..... a custom one is as good as the numty programming it.... if they dont have a standard map my guess is that they do not know the engine as well as a VAG specialist and are blagging you

honestly cant see the point in a custom version unless you have mods
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Hi,

You are showing some ignorance here.. optimal performance from a generic file lol :)

No two vehicles are exactly the same, that is why canned tuning is not ideal although it does have its place in the market.

We use our Stage 1 generic files for our mail order service, & whilst they will give a decent improvement it will not be as good as one that has been fine tuned under real world conditions. To a small degree this is in part due to we purposefully keep the tunes a little milder for mail order given we cannot review the vehicles health for ourselves, but the real benefits come from fine tuning on the individual vehicle.

In regards to new vehicles yes they will respond in a quite similar manner to any code tweaks, although there will still be some variations.

But if we are talking about now a relatively old vehicle like the 8L S3 I can assure you, line up say 5 x S3 8L 225's, similar mileages, stock hardware, all the exact same ECU variant, & same fuel.

Start with a base tuned map for the ECU variant, & start tweaking to ensure max safe performance & I can guarantee you they will NOT all perform exactly the same, some will be able to run a little more advance than others, some may make a little better boost, another may benefit from adding a little more fuel, another from a little less etc

One customer may want a very linear delivery, another may wish for a more aggressive profile.. you are not going to get this from a generic tune.

Sadly too many believe the marketing hype of some of the big tuners. I am not refering to any companies in particular, but really some of the files we have seen are quite shocking.

But anyway I will put my money where my mouth is if you like, bring your S3 to me & let us create a file. In almost ALL circumstances we will be able to improve over the current tune, & in many cases its often not even that hard to do at all.

When we are finished you can see/feel for yourself, whether it was pointless exercise.

If you wanted to arrange some dyno time to compare files this is also fine, but you can pay for that, as I do not need to see a dyno plot to know if we have made an improvement.

There would be no charge at all to you for this, providing you bring me a healthy vehicle that I do not have to start rectifying faults with.

When finished I will put your old file back & you can go on your way, & all I would ask is an honest review.

I will post up all the data logs from your current tune, & what we achieved with our own.

If you want to keep our code, then I am sure we could work something out.

Can’t say fairer than that :)

Regards
Morgan
 
Morgan, i agree i was being very ignorant there and didnt factor in the elements...older car etc etc

Whilst i appreciate that you will put your money where your mouth is, the distance would be an issue for me.... although i would be very attentive in hearing the thoughts of another S3 owner who is running a CC and you doing the same with their car

Any member up for that?

Tim
 
Alex;

go and see matt he'll look at it; or give me a call at the office, 01327 301 901 :)
 
Ok, I'm not sure if this is relevant, but I have a Revo stage 3 map on my car, uploaded by Backdraft for the big turbo kit they fitted.

I too am experiencing some problems with my map. The map allows for timing and boost adjustments (0-9).
But for some strange reason, my timing setting is setting itself back to 0 every so often.

I've even bought a Select Plus box so I can try to see what my settings are on the ECU, but even that fails to communicate with my ECU.

I have to take the car into Revo to have it looked at soon, as it's annoying the hell out of me.
 
1animal1 said:
Morgan, i agree i was being very ignorant there and didnt factor in the elements...older car etc etc
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No worries Tim :)

I just want people to open there eyes a little, it seems there is almost a level of brainwashing in regards to what people think they are getting from there tune.

Long term it will be better for the whole market, particulary for the end customer if there is less bull & more facts... to many myths floating around.

I am not saying we are the better than anyone else, & of course you will always find someone who knows more, or has found a new little trick to free up a few extra horses etc

But we do always spend the time needed (no matter how long it takes) to ensure we get the best from the individual vehicle, & for sure it cannot be said that many actually do this.

Anway this is my last words, & sorry for taking the thread off topic. I just felt I needed to at least put another perspective into the mix :)

Cheers
Morgan
 
Custom mapping is not the Revo philosophy. Their mappings are relative based, not absolute based values. Therefore, there is no benefit in custom mapping.

That's what I understood from speaking to one of the guys there, when I enquired about custom remaps.
 
When i took my car to have a custom map after having a generic map the power delivery was different without doubt, but one thing i hadn't really thought about was the throttle feel....it was the first thing i noticed as soon as i drove the car, it felt completely different, it was so much more responsive than before, almost loose even, i hardly had to touch the throttle and you could feel the car wanted to go.......
I'll always have a custom map from now on, mods or not....it's the way forward !!
I did have a little play with a certain member on here in his S3, were not sure what map his is running, generic/custom....but i was pushing him all the way !!:superman:
 
You had a play with a certain member off here?:lmfao:

Cheers Morgan, they say every day is a school day and im happy to be proven wrong if i am infact wrong...in this case you took me out royally:salute:
 
so which is best? generic or custom...theres only one way to find out....


FIGHT!!!!!
 
Be good to meet up with different S3 owners and drive eachother cars to see how the maps do differ to one another, i'm intrigued about the different maps on offer, one i'd like to try in particuar is the REVO map, see exactly how aggresive it is.....
 
audi upgrades
yup me too..... i suppose your never going to really get a set opinion as there are too many factors to account for
 
Im taking the car back to Matt next week to let him have a look! It doesent sound like anything mechanical that I can think of, hope its just something simple!
 
I'd love too meet sometime with a few more S3's... just to run mine (Revo St1) against some of the others and see how it compares.

If anything comes together, do please let me know :)
 
jim your not too far away from me, you near east mids airport way? let me know if you organise anything
 
Yes and 48hrs later my cars is running amazing if anyone wants a spin let me know .... ;)


quote=Morgan-VAGCHECK;635826]No worries Tim :)

I just want people to open there eyes a little, it seems there is almost a level of brainwashing in regards to what people think they are getting from there tune.

Long term it will be better for the whole market, particulary for the end customer if there is less bull & more facts... to many myths floating around.

I am not saying we are the better than anyone else, & of course you will always find someone who knows more, or has found a new little trick to free up a few extra horses etc

But we do always spend the time needed (no matter how long it takes) to ensure we get the best from the individual vehicle, & for sure it cannot be said that many actually do this.

Anway this is my last words, & sorry for taking the thread off topic. I just felt I needed to at least put another perspective into the mix :)

Cheers
Morgan[/quote]
 
Hi all,

I saw this thread just now and wanted to back up what Morgan was saying... VagCheck guys know what they are talking about and I would definitely recommend them any day of the week.

I already wrote about my experience in VagCheck section, so read up on that if you're interested.

What I didn't say in there is that after a month of driving the car every day, I can definitely say that it still makes me smile every time I use the right foot. Can't recommend VagCheck enough guys. I'm sure S3mad will agree with me.
 
leecs3 said:
try this, get in the car. Press the accelerator to the floor and turn the ignition on but don't start the engine. Count five seconds then remove your foot from the acelerator and start the engine. Take it for a spin and see if it makes a difference. It certainly did on my revo'd S3!
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What great advice! Tried this yesterday and am sure it has made my throttle so much more responsive!!!!
 
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