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Wireless CarPlay

SJR88 Dec 6, 2019

  1. Aaron Wiles

    Aaron Wiles Registered User

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    Considering buying the Carplay2air adapter as they confirmed it will work with my Pioneer CarPlay headunit.
     

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  3. Rich_697931

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    Hopefully it works. I received the same email from them when I asked about my 2020 S4 and it in fact does not work.
     
  4. D.C. Christopher

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    https://www.slashgear.com/audi-mib-3-infotainment-system-my2021-cars-whats-new-11620100/

    This article supports what I believe is the case with 2020 A4/S4 models. Long story short, the new update didn't make much of a difference. What may eventually make a difference is upgrading to the highest subscription (Connect Plus?). That will "unlock" 5G WiFi which is what's needed to power wireless CarPlay. A bit sheisty but perhaps worth the wait. I'm anyway going to keep carrying Audi Connect services, might as well see if that gives me "native" Wireless CarPlay.
     
  5. leedodds1

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    It’s a shame it doesn’t work out the box. I’ll be taking delivery of my S4 2020 this week and was really looking forward to using wireless carplay as my current B9 A4 is cabled.
     
  6. Aaron Wiles

    Aaron Wiles Registered User

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    Bought this adaptor from Audi-Retrofits, set up was easy and working perfectly :smirk:
     

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  7. SaceDK

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    According to the German online configurator wireless carplay should be supported from MY2021. My dealer also told the same but will have to wait until I get the car to confirm that it’s actually the case.
     
  8. leedodds1

    leedodds1 Registered User

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    I tried and couldn't get it working. I followed a tutorial from a A6 and wasn't prompted for the wireless option.
     
  9. SaceDK

    SaceDK Registered User

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    When was your car built? MY2021 entered production 3 weeks ago.
     
  10. leedodds1

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    I'm not sure on a build date, I took delivery in June.
     
  11. SaceDK

    SaceDK Registered User

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    Then it's a MY2020
     
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  13. leedodds1

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    That will explain it then, it's fine plugging in on long drives but it would be great for those short trips as CarPlay loaded 200x quicker than in my 2017 A4.

    What do you have on order?
     
  14. SaceDK

    SaceDK Registered User

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    I haven't used it in a few years but I think I'll give it a try when I get this car.

    It's an A5 SB I have on order but the changes apply to both A4 and A5 (at least for the Danish market).
     
  15. D.C. Christopher

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    Problem solved! Traded in the 2020 S4 for a 2019 e-tron, even if it means “****” in French!

    Check out a 2019 or 2020 Q7, Q8, e-tron, etc. You will quickly find out that the MIB3 screen found in the S4 is actually a step down from the MIB2+ screen in the 2019s. The latter is faster, more technologically advanced, etc. I doubt the S4 will ever get much attention (Wireless CarPlay, etc.). The whole situation is a joke. I got lucky and found a replacement vehicle that checked all the boxes and thanks to its unsellability didn’t cost me much more than I already paid for the S4. Imagine getting a $85K car for $60K. Some people think the e-tron is not worth it but I bet they’ve never driven one. That car is LOADED and drives amazingly well. The only downside is the range but I’d rather have one problem to deal with than several.
     
  16. thorpemark1

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    After a lot of playing around I have just activated Wireless Carplay in my MY20 a4 , I tried following guides for the A6 / A7 which did not work. The options are slightly different to make the MIB3 work , I'll update fully when I work out which options were required, and test a bit more but for now it seems to be working great .
     
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  17. thorpemark1

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    OK , after a few week of trying different things , here's what works on my 2020 A4 , use at your own risk :S

    This is what I did ,( with weeks in between ).
    Initially made adaptations to module 5F - (Having found out what I have today , I'm not even sure these need to be made , these were things quoted for previous models of Audi (Non MIB3 ) A3 / A7 / A6 , and some of the settings in the other modules contradict values in this module, so not even sure it is doing any thing with these values )
    I think this should work with A4/S4 , A5/S5 MIB3 models.
    Before doing this delete the phone pairing in bluetooth and CarPlay in Audi interface (long hold and delete ) , I also removed the car from my phone bluetooth (again maybe not necessary)
    Make sure your bonnet / Hood is up/open for changes to take effect .

    MODULE 5F

    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    Adaptation
    Control unit: 5F Multimedia
    Name: WLAN settings
    Values:
    5_ghz_wlan:
    Old value: Off
    New value: On
    Mileage: 1691 km
    Date: 2020-07-23 16:55

    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    Adaptation
    Control unit: 5F Multimedia
    Name: Smartphone configuration
    Values:
    Apple_car_play_wireless:
    Old value: Off
    New value: On
    Mileage: 1691 km
    Date: 2020-07-23 16:56

    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    Adaptation
    Control unit: 5F Multimedia
    Name: function_configuration_connectivity
    Values:
    Mirror_link:
    Old value: Off
    New value: On
    Mileage: 1691 km
    Date: 2020-07-23 16:59

    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    Adaptation
    Control unit: 5F Multimedia
    Name: function_configuration_connectivity
    Values:
    WIFI_Hotspot_5GHz:
    Old value: Off
    New value: On
    Mileage: 1705 km
    Date: 2020-07-24 17:01

    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    The following are new changes I found today , after scanning though all the available adaptations , these seem to have made the difference , and I now see the 5ghz network and wireless car play is working (seems too simple) .

    MODULE 75 Telematics

    Adaptation

    Control unit: 75 Telematics
    Name: Emergency call module and communication unit, configuration
    Values:
    WLAN 5GHz:
    Old value: Off
    New value: On
    Mileage: 1965 km
    Date: 2020-08-14 14:54

    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    Adaptation
    Control unit: 75 Telematics
    Name: Smartphone configuration
    Values:
    Apple CarPlay Wireless:
    Old value: Off
    New value: On
    Mileage: 1965 km
    Date: 2020-08-14 14:53

    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    Now reboot the MMI , (Long hold on volume / power button , until the mmi starts up again )
    Connect to the (hopefully) new SSID network / Hotspot YOURCAR_5ghz (enable hotspot in connection manager/wifi to see this)
    Pair phone through Audi Smart phone interface bluetooth , it should as if you was to use Carplay

    Let me know how it goes ..
     
  18. Frankiejr26

    Frankiejr26 A4 40 TFSI BE ordered 29th June

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    Awesome! So if the MY2021 doesn’t get wireless CarPlay as standard then we should be able to follow the above to enable it. I am really looking forward to trying this out! Do you have any photos of it working?
     
  19. thorpemark1

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    Here you go (if the video works, Pictures wouldn't really show it )

    (I had to cut out a part where I skip to Apple Dashboard menu as it shows my exact location , which id rather not share :) )

     
  20. Frankiejr26

    Frankiejr26 A4 40 TFSI BE ordered 29th June

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    Great work, you know in iOS 14 you no longer have to have the app open on the phone to display on the screen.

    Edit: I just noticed it is touch screen, does this mean it is a MY2021 as I thought you had to use a dial in MY2020??
     
  21. thorpemark1

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    you don't have to have the app open in iOS13 , I was just trying to display it was wireless, otherwise I could have had a phone plugged in behind the scenes lol .

    You can also display google maps on the Apple Car Play dashboard now (which used to be Apple maps only) , Think Google updated there app this week for that ,

    Its a MY2020 but yes its the MIB3 touchscreen
     
  22. Frankiejr26

    Frankiejr26 A4 40 TFSI BE ordered 29th June

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    Ah yes you are right that came with 13 not 14.


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  23. Frankiejr26

    Frankiejr26 A4 40 TFSI BE ordered 29th June

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    [mention]thorpemark1 [/mention] So how are you finding wireless CarPlay now you have had it a few days?

    And is your 2020 classed as the facelift version?


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  24. thorpemark1

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    It’s great. No glitches or anything. Even fashioned a cheap concealed wireless charger under the centre console mat. With an old charger I had. Lol
    [​IMG]

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  25. thorpemark1

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    Apologies. Yes it’s a facelift 2020.
     
  26. Frankiejr26

    Frankiejr26 A4 40 TFSI BE ordered 29th June

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    Nice. Though I assumed wireless charging was standard on the facelift models! Do you have to spec it separately?


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  27. Frankiejr26

    Frankiejr26 A4 40 TFSI BE ordered 29th June

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    From what I can see you need the Audi phone box but that is only mentioned as standard in the vorsprung model and doesn’t show up as an optional extra for any other models.


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  28. thorpemark1

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    Mines a BE with comfort and sound , doesn’t come or didn’t come with the wireless Audi phone box. And it’s pretty expensive to retrofit just for wireless charging. (I’m not sure it even gives you additional antenna anymore )
     
  29. Frankiejr26

    Frankiejr26 A4 40 TFSI BE ordered 29th June

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    Yeah my order is the same so will likely go down the same route as you and build something.


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  30. SaceDK

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    So just to update on this topic. I picked up my MY2021 A5 SB today (built in W37) and it does have wireless carplay! Worked right away with no issues.
     
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  31. Frankiejr26

    Frankiejr26 A4 40 TFSI BE ordered 29th June

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    Awesome Hopefully that is the same for A4 then


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  32. harvey.nott

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    Question for wireless CarPlay and Android auto.
    Does it still disable the bluetooth to the phone ?
    The reason I ask is when I use wired android auto I lose my 2 phones connected to bluetooth which is a real pain.

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  34. Evgeny Knafel

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    I got a 2020 a4. Connected with vcds and changed the settings in 75 module (including enabling android auto wireless). Couldn't open adaptetion for 5f module as I don't have a security access code. Nothjng changed... Still see only 2.4 ghz wifi.
     
  35. Frankiejr26

    Frankiejr26 A4 40 TFSI BE ordered 29th June

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    I can confirm the 2021 A4 does have wireless CarPlay as standard


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  36. D.C. Christopher

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    You're almost there, Evgeny, don't lose faith! There is a default security access code you can enter and if that doesn't work you can calculate a "valid one" by entering some data from your car (like VIN, etc.). Just search online, you'll find what you need.
     
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  37. Evgeny Knafel

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    Ok, switched the 5 ghz channel to 40 (guess 149 is blocked on my phone) and now I see the 5ghz wifi. But android auto still demands usb cable. Will try with an iphone later.
    Meanwhile, I found 5f code (20103) it claims to accept it but "adaptaion" menu is still greyed out...
     
  38. thorpemark1

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    I used ODBEleven , it automatically enters the security code.
    There is a setting for 5ghz SSID to be visible or not visible I recall. It does not have to be visible , It first negotiates by bluetooth, and then connects to the 5ghz network automatically , to initiate CarPlay wireless.
    Make sure the bonnet is up when making changes , and make sure the MMI is rebooted following (some others have found they needed to leave the car a few hours before the change seemed to take effect, this perhaps relates to module 75)
     
  39. thorpemark1

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    I also found this relating to 149 when researching how to get this working (its not a regular home use channel) .. Channel 149 does work for me .

    "Band C (Channels 149 – 161)

    If the 1000mW output power limit that Band B offers isn’t enough to suit your needs, then have no fear – Band C is here! Band C can be used with output powers of up to 4000mW (4W). There are some conditions however:

    a) Band C can only be used for outdoor wireless
    b) Band C can only be used for fixed wireless access (FWA) points (e.g point to point or point to multipoint links)
    c) A light license is required for operation and must be purchased from Ofcom.
    d) All hardware must conform to DFS (Dynamic Frequency Selection) standards and DFS must be enabled

    Band C is 125MHz wide and allows for 4 x 20MHz channels to coincide without overlap or 2 x 40MHz channels."
     
  40. thorpemark1

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    I'll admit I have never tried Android Auto, Only have have iPhones , and the android I have isn't compatible. (or wasn't when I first did this, looks like they have expanded the list )
    Do you have one of compatible android phones ?

    • Any smartphone with Android 11.0 and 5 GHz Wi-Fi. In the EU, smartphones must comply with additional regulatory requirements in order to use 5 GHz Wi-Fi in the car.
      • A Google or Samsung smartphone with Android 10.0.
      • A Samsung Galaxy S8, Galaxy S8+ or Note 8, with Android 9.0.
     
  41. D.C. Christopher

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    20103 is allegedly correct for both 5F and 75. Just as thorpemark1 stated, some sources state that the hood has to be kept open (sounds dumb to me but, desperate times!). Don't worry about changing the channel, I believe 149 is an "outdoor" channel. The module 75 adaptations are what I was missing. I was getting the same MMI message as you "Please connect via WiFi or cable" even though I was connected via WiFi (but not 5GHz).

    Good luck, man, you're almost there. Worst case scenario, just invest in an OBDEleven. If you have VCDS though, you really shouldn't have to.
     
  42. D.C. Christopher

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    Wait, which phone and operating system do you have? Previously, only Google phones supported Wireless Android Auto. I believe as of Android 11 it's extended to all phones, but ... does your phone have Android 11? :sweatsmile:
     
  43. Evgeny Knafel

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    Ok, so probably this is the issue!! Got One+ 7pro with android 10!!! Will try with pixel 3
     

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