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TTRS Steering Wheel Retrofit

SweatySweater Oct 17, 2018

  1. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    I am attempting to retrofit a MK3 TTRS steering wheel, with FULL functionality into my Pre Face Lift, S3 8V. This is just the beginning of what will be a full retrofit of the Virtual Cockpit and MIB2 system with CarPlay enabled.

    The updated steering wheel is necessary to have access to the "VIEW" button, to change display settings on the VC.

    I will pre-face this by saying that I haven't found another thread with a car in the US, that has been capable of retrofitting the VC, or even attempted. I know there are a few guys in EU that have done this, and now MK7 Active Display retrofits are popping up here in the US as well. I have seen a couple of people that have retrofitted the TTRS wheel into the MQB cars with only partial functions. I am hoping that we can have the wheel work 100%.

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    My first challenge was to find a MIB2 Unit that could have NAR maps installed, and them work correctly, and also have CarPlay. Sirius and DAB (Digital Radio) aren't really a huge concern of mine. I created a list of part numbers of MIB2 units from US MQB cars with Parts Link. Unfortunately with it only being around for a couple of years so far, the cheapest NAR MIB2 unit I could find was still $4k +. This simply is not an option due to the total cost that the project would come to. After speaking with multiple companies over sea, I ended up working with APG in Poland who specializes in retrofitting MIB/Clusters.

    They say they are able to source me a MIB2 unit, with NAR maps installed, CarPlay enabled, Sirius, and DAB. For those not familiar, Audi and VW now uses SwaP codes to unlock these features on cars that wish to upgrade. After researching, even though my S3 came with NAV, it is not the Google Maps style of Nav on the new cars. My VIN also isn't eligible for the CarPlay FEC code due to it not being available during my production or MIB1. It seemed as though my only option was to get an unlocked unit.

    And here we are, at the beginning of this long road. I will say again, I am not sure that the VC will work 100% but I want to get it as close as possible and have this serve as the guide to help people who wish to do this in the future.

    Parts that have been ordered so far:

    -TTRS Steering wheel with airbag and harness
    -LCD Instrument Cluster: 8V0-920-790-A
    -MIB 2 Unit: 8V1-035-035 (There are multiple part numbers for this, depending on features and it is region specific)
    -LCD Trim: 8V0-857-115
    -HSD and MOST cables to run from the back of the MIB2 to the LCD
    -Adapter harness for Cluster (Original is 18 pin, new cluster is 32 pin)
    -Bracket for mounting LCD
    -USB port for CarPlay and wiring



    While we wait for the VC parts to arrive, the steering wheel needs to be installed.

    Plug and play does work with the new steering wheel. The airbag connectors are different, but can easily be swapped. Both airbags are however, 1 stage airbags.

    Here is where I ask for the first bit of help. The S3/A3 has a clockspring F350, separate from the the Steering Column Control Module J527. The TTRS using a 1 piece design that houses the clockspring, wiper stalk, and cruise control stalk. Here is the wiring layout for the yellow 12 pin connector on the clockspring from both steering wheels.

    S3:

    Pin 1:
    Pin 2:
    Pin 3: Black wire, Ground for N95 Igniter
    Pin 4: Green wire, Power for N95 Igniter
    Pin 5:
    Pin 6:
    Pin 7: Brown wire, Ground Connection that also goes to the Horn, and pin 3 of T4 connector on steering wheel.
    Pin 8: Blue wire, Power for horn function, constant B+
    Pin 9: Purple wire, LIN Bus, goes to Pin 1 of T4 on steering wheel.
    Pin 10: White wire, constant B+ for steering wheel, goes to Pin 2 of T4 on steering wheel.
    Pin 11: (Has pin on Clockspring, but no wire from steering wheel)
    Pin 12:


    TTRS:

    Pin 1: Gray wire, goes to Pin 2 of T4 connector for Start/Stop and Drive Select Buttons (Unknown Function)
    Pin 2: Light gray wire, goes to Pin 1 of T4 connector for Start/Stop and Drive Select Buttons (Unknown Function)
    Pin 3: Black wire, Ground for N95 Igniter
    Pin 4: Green wire, Power for N95 Igniter
    Pin 5:
    Pin 6:
    Pin 7:
    Pin 8: Brown wire, Ground Connection that also goes to the Horn, and pin 3 of T6 connector on steering wheel.
    Pin 9: Purple wire, LIN Bus, goes to Pin 1 of T6 on steering wheel.
    Pin 10: Red wire, constant B+ for steering wheel, goes to Pin 2 of T6 on steering wheel.
    Pin 11: Gray w/ Red Stripe wire, goes to Pin 3 of T4 connector for Start/Stop and Drive Select Buttons
    Pin 12:


    I was able to get basic functions working on the wheel. 80% of the buttons, the lights, and the horn.
    Using the harness from the TTRS wheel:

    Move the brown wire from Pin 8 to Pin 7. Its that simple.

    This gives you Purple, Red, and Brown on the T6 Connector at the top of the wheel. This provides all the basic functions.

    The wheel has a T4 connector with 3 wires for the Start/ Stop and Drive select Buttons. Only 3 wires. The S3 clockspring only has 2 remaining pins though.
    Pin 8, and Pin 11. Both of which have B+ when the key is on, and again, I am left with 3 wires for those two buttons.

    Are these wires Power, Ground, and LIN?
    Signal, signal, and ground?

    The wiring diagram is very vague and only has the wires listed as black. No colors are listed. Another fun fact, is the Start/Stop button currently also activates the horn :thumbs:

    Here is the new harness once adjusted. Note, there is 1 gray Power wire going to the T4 connector at this time. I am unsure of the purpose of this wire at this time.

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    And here is a photo of the wheel installed with no airbag. You can see the clockspring with 2 pins on the top row, and 5 on the bottom, as well as the T6 connector above it.


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    And here is the T4 connector that is simply for the Start / Stop and Drive Select Buttons.


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    And for reference, here is the wiring diagram for the S3 followed by the diagram for the TTRS. If anyone would like to chime in and help solve this, that would be great. You can see all the black wires that are built within the TTRS wheel in the 3rd and 4th photo.

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    and the TTRS


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    There will be more updates as this progresses, and as parts arrive for the MIB and Virtual Cockpit! Any info, help, tips, etc, are greatly appreciated! I look forward to seeing this progress!


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    and here is an AutoScan just because.

    Code:
    
    Thursday,11,October,2018,13:33:26:16731
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x86
    VCDS Version: 18.9.0.2  HEX-NET CB: 0.4436.4
    Data version: 20180927 DS296.0
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WAUBFGFF8F1xxxxxx   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 69245km-43026mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: FF-AU37 (5Q0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 2B 42 44 52 55 5F A9 BB BC
             
    
    VIN: WAUBFGFF8F1xxxxxx   Mileage: 69245km-43026miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    A9-Struct. Borne Sound -- Status: OK 0000
    BB-Door Rear Drv -- Status: OK 0000
    BC-Door Rear Pass -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine
    Cannot be reached
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels: 0D9-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 0D9 300 012 L    HW: 02E 927 770 AQ
       Component: DQ250-6A MQB  H52 4521 
       Revision: 05852204    Serial number: TFK01405260976
       Coding: 0014
       Shop #: WSC 04742 780 00200
       ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ250021 001001
       ROD: EV_TCMDQ250021.rod
       VCID: 1F0E0B4706FC87B2CC-804A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-IPB-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 907 379 L    HW: 5Q0 907 379 G
       Component: ESC           H31 0471 
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 61574000002972
       Coding: 31FF6B9254230A70017F030341C4698CD62A5080C08296B6024100588608
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB 033001
       ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB_033_AU37.rod
       VCID: 45C2B92FC4E0BD62A6-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-435.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 959 435 A    HW: 5Q0 959 435 
       Component: VWKESSYMQB    021 0604 
       Revision: 00021000    Serial number: 0337502114
       Coding: 030C0C
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB 002011
       ROD: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB_002.rod
       VCID: 3A38DAD3BD1EC29ADB-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (E87)       Labels:| 8V0-820-043.clb
       Part No SW: 8V0 820 043 D    HW: 8V0 820 043 D
       Component: AC Automat    H13 0052 
       Revision: 20026000    Serial number: 00000000352798
       Coding: 03000014010000000000000000001400
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirCondiFrontVaAU37X 008020
       ROD: EV_AirCondiFrontVaAU37X.rod
       VCID: 3326F7F79A7433D218-8066
    
       Relative humidity sensor in fresh air intake duct: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658     HW: 4H0 907 658 
       Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor  H03 0003 
       Serial number: 8E28C137000000000001
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:| 5Q0-937-08X-HV1.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 937 085 AC    HW: 5Q0 937 085 AC
       Component: BCM MQBAB HNA H18 0134 
       Serial number: 01011415600179
       Coding: 04151A46C04122F541C04004511807A00800000000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_BCMCONTI 013000
       ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_013.rod
       VCID: 7AB81AD3FD9E029A9B-802E
    
       Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8V1 955 119 C    HW: 8V1 955 119 A  Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
       Component: WWS371 140607  042 0585 
       Serial number:         140616050335
       Coding: 0A47F7
    
       Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 B    HW: 8U0 955 559 B  Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
       Component: G397_RLFS  H06 0002 
       Serial number: 22746941           
       Coding: 00006C
    
       Light switch: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8V0 941 531 K    HW: 8V0 941 531 K
       Component: E1 - LDS MQB  H05 0032 
       Serial number: 13 04 2014  00001159
    
       Alarm horn: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 605     HW: 5Q0 951 605 
       Component: Sirene, DWA  004 0311 
       Serial number: 00000000000030053299
    
       Sun Roof: 
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 8V3 959 591     HW: 8V3 959 591 
       Component: J245 PS73.014  H02 0007 
       Serial number:     WOO30038644     
       Coding: 101F00
    
    2 Faults Found:
    197644 - Control Circuit for Fuel Tank Flap 
              B1263 01 [009] - Electrical Failure
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 195
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 00:00:00
    
    204290 - Remote key 1 
              B1479 18 [009] - Current Too Low
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 195
                        Mileage: 69245 km
                        Date: 2018.10.11
                        Time: 13:27:30
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5Q0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 959 655 J    HW: 5Q0 959 655 J
       Component: AirbagVW20    009 0825 
       Serial number: 003GCR00FAC9
       Coding: 9DCCFCC0000000005000001AC24800000065
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X 002138
       ROD: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X.rod
       VCID: 47DEB327FEECAF7254-8012
    
       Belt Pretensioner left: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5G0 980 945 B    HW: 5G0 980 945 B
       Component: BeltPretRevFL  H35 0341 
       Serial number: 34178311A16061440949
       Coding: 333135
    
       Belt Pretensioner right: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5G0 980 946 B    HW: 5G0 980 946 B
       Component: BeltPretRevFR  H35 0341 
       Serial number: 34178312A16061440726
       Coding: 333135
    
       Occupant Detection: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5C6 959 339 B    HW: 5C6 959 339 B
       Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H10 0046 
       Serial number: 6940000Y1400015LZP0G
       Coding: 303230
    
       Side Sensor Driver Front: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 106 14
       Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
       Serial number: 35700000000EB8309F0W
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Passenger Front: 
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 001 106 14
       Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
       Serial number: 358000000006B8309F0P
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Driver Rear: 
       Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 400 406 14
       Component: SideSensor_Dr  001 6149 
       Serial number: 3510002B5156EA05B171
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Side Sensor Passenger Rear: 
       Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 400 406 14
       Component: SideSensor_Pr  001 6149 
       Serial number: 3520002C3156EA01B1C2
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Front Sensor Driver: 
       Subsystem 8 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 004 14
       Component: FrontSensor_D  001 6149 
       Serial number: 3550002C31529DF1C248
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
       Front Sensor Passenger: 
       Subsystem 9 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 401 004 14
       Component: FrontSensor_P  001 6149 
       Serial number: 3560002C31529DF2E24C
       Coding: 2D2D2D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5Q0-953-549.clb
       Part No SW: 8V0 953 521 CP    HW: 5Q0 953 549 C
       Component: Lenks. Modul  002 0110 
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 18061408490796
       Coding: A218
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSKLOMQB 017001
       ROD: EV_SMLSKLOMQB_012_AU37.rod
       VCID: 0A584A13AD7E121A8B-805E
    
    1 Fault Found:
    227387 - Windshield Wiper/Washer Switch 
              B1149 13 [009] - Open Circuit
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 194
                        Mileage: 69245 km
                        Date: 2018.10.11
                        Time: 13:02:24
    
                        Operating time: 87989 min
                        Supply voltage: Terminal 30: 12.4 V
                        Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                        Voltage at switch: 4.98 V
                        Terminal 15 status: active
                        System status: 30
                        FF U Wischer AD value: 230
                        FF U Wish Wash AD value: 229
                        FF U Intervall Poti AD value: 61
                        FF U MFA AD value: 252
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5G0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI3
       Part No SW: 8V0 920 970 S    HW: 8V0 920 970 S
       Component: KOMBI         H02 4291 
       Coding: 0BED181B2B80D7050201E8001800000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB 009040
       ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB_009_VW37.rod
       VCID: 4CD48C0BE78A4C2A79-8018
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-530-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 907 530 T    HW: 5Q0 907 530 M
       Component: GW MQB High   212 2186 
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 11061410800771
       Coding: 0101000820085A005B00022C180B00000001010000000000000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewConti 011017
       ROD: EV_GatewConti_011_VW37.rod
       VCID: 42C8A233D5CE8A5A83-8016
    
       Alternator: 
    
       Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8S0 951 523 K    HW: 8S0 951 523 K
       Component: J453 MFL  H01 0002 
       Serial number: 20170220132047 RD128
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 22: AWD (J492)       Labels:* 0CQ-907-554.clb
       Part No SW: 0CQ 907 554 D    HW: 0CQ 907 554 D
       Component: Haldex4Motion H52 7076 
       Serial number: HA1-00013.05.14
       Coding: 0001
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X 002001
       ROD: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X.rod
       VCID: 46C0BE23F9E6B67AAF-8012
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:* 5Q0-905-861.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 905 861 A    HW: 5Q0 905 861 A
       Component: ELV-MQBA      H01 0120 
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 14000152811004
       Coding: 5D00000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMQB 004111
       ROD: EV_ELVMarquMQB.rod
       VCID: 3424F4EB9F7A34EA01-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X93-42.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 959 393 B    HW: 5Q0 959 393 B
       Component: TSG FS        020 0025 
       Serial number: 30051402090339
       Coding: 00101F204000048000000002
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMINKLO 006003
       ROD: EV_DCUDriveSideEWMAXCONT.rod
       VCID: 3E30D6C3A136EEBAE7-806A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 5Q0-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 3Q0 909 144 F    HW: 3Q0 909 144 F
       Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  503 5043 
       Coding: 8102
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 010031
       ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_010.rod
       VCID: 3522C9EF94002DE236-8060
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 5QX-959-X92-52.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 959 392 B    HW: 5Q0 959 392 B
       Component: TSG BFS       020 0025 
       Serial number: 01061401101471
       Coding: 001017204000048000000002
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMINKLO 006003
       ROD: EV_DCUPasseSideEWMAXCONT.rod
       VCID: 3D32D1CFAC30F5A2FE-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-357.clb
       Part No SW: 5Q0 907 357     HW: 6R0 907 357 A
       Component: LWR-ECU       005 0080 
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 012A000101000000
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRMQB 001110
       ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRMQB.rod
       VCID: 75A209EFD4806DE2F6-8020
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:* None
       Part No SW: 8V0 035 039 C    HW: 8V0 035 039 B
       Component: MU-H-LNS-US   H44 0403 
       Serial number: A539A0J7505175
       Coding: 01730102FF0A000021220001041A00102F000205010001047E
       Shop #: WSC 29707 001 1048576
       ASAM Dataset: EV_MUHig6C3HBAS 001040
       ROD: EV_MUHig6C3HBAS_AU37.rod
       VCID: 3522C9EF94002DE236-8060
    
       Data medium: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: V03 959 800 T    HW: -----------
       Component: NAR 2016  --- 0048 
       Serial number: --------------------
    
       Display unit 1 for multimedia system: 
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8V0 919 604 C    HW: 8V0 919 604 C
       Component: DU High  H49 0013 
       Serial number: AUZ8Z9EY201511     
    
       Multimedia Operating Unit: 
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8V0 919 614 S    HW: 8V0 919 614 E
       Component: ControlUnit_H  H64 0766 
       Serial number: C1000022051400020165
    
       Compact Disc Database: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: V03 959 800 EG    HW: -----------
       Component: Gracenote  --- 3006 
       Serial number: --------------------
    
    3 Faults Found:
    0020 - Tuner for Satelite Radio 
              B11CF 53 [009] - Deactivated
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 124
                        Mileage: 54940 km
                        Date: 2018.02.22
                        Time: 13:58:48
    
                        Voltage terminal 30: 12.6 V
                        Satellite radio tuner status-Satellite radio antenna status: Electrical OK
                        Satellite radio tuner status-Channel selection for satellite radio: 0
                        Satellite radio tuner status-Audio Signal: Not available
                        Satellite radio tuner status-Antenna current: 0 mA
                        Satellite radio tuner status-Reception quality: No_signal
                        Satellite radio tuner status-SDARS Flash Regional code: US_Audio_Traffic_Travellink
    
    3084 - GSM antenna 2 
              B1533 13 [009] - Open Circuit
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 19
                        Reset counter: 129
                        Mileage: 54940 km
                        Date: 2018.02.22
                        Time: 13:58:49
    
                        Voltage terminal 30: 12.5 V
    
    6708 - Databus 
              U1121 00 [008] - Missing Message
              [Engine: no communication]
              Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 3
                        Reset counter: 235
                        Mileage: 67082 km
                        Date: 2018.08.31
                        Time: 17:50:52
    
                        Voltage terminal 30: 14.6 V
                        Network diagnosis-Status: Enabled
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address A9: Struct. Borne Sound (J869)       Labels: 4H0-907-159.clb
       Part No SW: 8V0 907 159     HW: 4H0 907 159 A
       Component: SAS-GEN 2     H06 0012 
       Serial number: 140521201825
       ASAM Dataset: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X 003010
       ROD: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X.rod
       VCID: 7DB211CFECB035A2BE-8028
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address BB: Door Rear Drv (J388)       Labels:* None
       Part No SW: 5Q0 959 395 B    HW: 5Q0 959 395 B
       Component: TSG HFS       020 0025 
       Serial number: 10061404081400
       Coding: 000017204000048000000002
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCURearDriveMINKLO 006003
       ROD: EV_DCURearDriveMAXCONT.rod
       VCID: 40CCA83BDBC2984A95-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address BC: Door Rear Pass (J389)       Labels:* None
       Part No SW: 5Q0 959 395 B    HW: 5Q0 959 395 B
       Component: TSG HBFS      020 0025 
       Serial number: 10061403111400
       Coding: 000017204000048000000002
       Shop #: WSC 06385 790 00016
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCURearPasseMINKLO 006003
       ROD: EV_DCURearPasseMAXCONT.rod
       VCID: 40CCA83BDBC2984A95-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:57, VBatt start/end: 12.6V/12.6V)-----------
    
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    Address 16: DTCs cleared
    
    
     
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  3. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    If someone could attempt to help me figure out what these 3 wires could be, that would be excellent.

    They say they are all black, but in fact we have a Gray, White, and Gray/Red Stripe wire. All 3 of them go to the Push Start/Drive Select Buttons.

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    On the S3, the Push Button start goes via 2 wires straight to J764 Steering Column Electronics, and then it is sent via CAN to the J518 Access Start Module.



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    On the TTRS, which the wheel is from, there are 2 wires, same color as the Push Button on the S3, that go from the J527 Steering Colum Module/Clockspring, right to the J518 Access Start Module.



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  4. Khufu

    Khufu Well-Known Member

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    have you tried to bypass the J764 and take the 2 stop start wires straight to t40a/7 and t40a/19 on J518?
     
  5. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    I have not. I was thinking of taking those two wires and going to 518, and the 1 other wire and going to 519.

    According to the A3 diagram there are 2 wires for Start/Stop, and 1 for the Drive Select Button.

    The confusion is which wires are the two that I need to run to 518? The wiring diagram for the TTRS wheel doesn’t indicate what any of the wires are, nor the color.

    Trial and error perhaps?
     
  6. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    Still waiting on the my cluster and MIB2 to arrive, so I am getting all of the wiring and additional parts sorted out.

    I have created a chart for the wiring changes needed to go to the virtual cluster, and a full parts list that is needed.

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  7. Khufu

    Khufu Well-Known Member

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    did you get anywhere with the steering wheel? How are you dealing with the immobiliser on new cluster?
     
  8. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    Still trying to figure out a way to get 3 additional wires through the clockspring at the moment.

    Still waiting on the new cluster and MIB2 to arrive. Hopefully next week at some point. I’m not too worried about the immobilized as my shop as Odis etc
     
  9. Clod

    Clod 2017 Audi NA A3 S-line Audi A3 quattro S-line owners group

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    Can you get to the two wires on the back of the clock spring? If so I would take those two wires and hook them to the center console switch wires. It looks like it is just a momentary switch. They are essentially the same switch. The only difference is the illumination on the center console switch which is the third wire I think.
     
  10. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    So I can access the wires on the front side of the clockspring, and see the 1 extra wire that there is no pin for. I can not access the other end. There are 16 actual pins on the backside of the clockspring. So 7 on the front, and 16 on the back. Figuring out how they relate to each other is beyond me.

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  11. Clod

    Clod 2017 Audi NA A3 S-line Audi A3 quattro S-line owners group

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    Do you have the clock spring for the TT wheel?
    I suggest you pull out the start switch on the wheel and take a multimeter to the rear wiring harness. Check for continuity between the switch and the wiring harness and see if you can locate the wires that pass through and operate the switch.
     
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  13. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    I have the S3 clockspring still. The TTRS clockspring is built into the steering column control module with the wiper stalk and turn signal stalk. The connectors on the back of both of the SWCM’s are different as well. Not sure if I’d be able to make the TTRS one work.
    These are some pretty intricate switches. The Start button and drive select are wired together and connected to a circuit board. I can try to disassemble and see what I can find.
    I think I’m still going to run into the issue of getting the wiring through the clockspring somehow.
    For now, I ordered a “harness” from a company overseas that someone sent me the link to. I contacted them and they said it will work for the 8V platform so I’m crossing my fingers to see what happens. Should be here in a few days.
     
  14. 1wheelonly

    1wheelonly cabriolet VCDS Map User

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    Surely the drive select / start button aren’t conventional switches
    Surely they work on the canbus or the lin


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  15. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    In the TTRS, they do appear to run through the Convience CAN, but in the S3, the Start button runs right to the steering column lock module, and the Drive Select button goes straight to J519 BCM.

    The adapter harness should be here tomorrow so we will see how that goes! I’m wondering if this adapter just converts the button signal to LIN messages
     
  16. 1wheelonly

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    What lin version is your module running ?


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  17. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    Both vehicles are on Lin 2.0 I believe
     
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  19. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    Thanks for adding this! That’s actually the thing I purchased. I received it and installed it yesterday. Still doesn’t work.

    I don’t think it actually works on MQB cars. I think it only converts the wheel to work on other chassis. When I contacted the seller to ask him, the A3 wasn’t listed as an option that it would work for. He said that it would, and then changed the listing. I’m currently waiting on a reply from him.
     
  20. jrumball

    jrumball Active Member Audi A3 etron Sportback Cosmos Blue

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    Thats annoying aliexpress is still quite hit and miss but sometimes the only place you can get stuff.....
     
  21. SweatySweater

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    Yeah this is true! I’ve gotten a few other things from this specific seller so I had high hopes. I think the LIN signals on the other cars are different so that just converts the Lin message. Since the TTRS and S3 are both MQB cars, it didn’t do anything. Well it did do one thing, it popped the 1 amp fuse for the steering column electronics
     
  22. larbel

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    The Aliexpress adapter is for making the VC steering wheel's VIEW button to work as MENU button on non-VC cars. The way they do it for the Start/Stop button is to run extended cable from clockspring to the existing Start/Stop button, but the cable is taken from Q5 or something, not just any cable. And for Drive Select, you'll need a new Gateway with steering wheel Drive Select button function and activate it.

    Don't ask me for specific details, the vendors won't disclose full details...
     
  23. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    Well that’s a shame. I specifically verified with them that it would work for the Start/DS buttons, and they said yes. I mean, I still kind of knew that it wasn’t going to. How could it when they aren’t plugging anything into the other connector on the steering wheel.

    I appreciate the info. I may do a little more digging and see what I can find. There is a company that sells the buttons modified so they can work on any car. Europrice, I believe. I guess maybe it’s time to take the buttons out and take them apart to see what’s inside of them.

    It’s interesting that I would need a new Gateway to activate drive select, when you can set the * button on the wheel to do the same thing. It would be neat if you could somehow tie those two buttons together, so the DS button would trigger the * button.
     
  24. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    Well, Larbel was right. The “chip” from Ali express only got the View button working. Which, wasn’t a concern since I am installing the Virtual cluster anyways.

    So now I am back to square one.
     
  25. RJ-8V

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    Contact www.vandeursen.be for the correct module to get your steering wheel working.

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  26. SweatySweater

    SweatySweater New Member

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    Thank you RJ8V. I shot him an email, so we will see.

    I have disassembled the steering wheel buttons to really see what is going on. They are 100% a circuit board with a tiny toggle button on each one.

    At this point, I am trying to figure out a way to maybe just bypass the circuit board all together, and all my own toggle button under neath. There are some companies out there that make modules for wireless steering wheel buttons, so this also seems like it could be a potential path.

    In other news, my MIB2 and Virtual Cluster parts should be shipping out early next week!
     
  27. Clod

    Clod 2017 Audi NA A3 S-line Audi A3 quattro S-line owners group

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    Can you swap out the button for one that is the same as the center console one? This should allow you to run it through the clock spring assuming it has enough pins
     
  28. SweatySweater

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    The start button in the console is much longer. I am debating ordering one, and seeing if I can swap the internals. It has 2 wires that go to the steering column, one wire that comes to it from the Access Start module so it has power whenever you are in the car, and then a ground.

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