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TMU's Glacier White B8.5 S4 - MRC Stage 2

Tashfeen Apr 8, 2017

  1. Tashfeen

    Tashfeen Moderator Staff Member Moderator Team Glacier Supercharged TFSI Owners Group Team V6 VCDS Map User Team Scuba Audi S4 Audi A3 Black Edition quattro

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    Cheers mate. Already have the dipstick and MMI readings were pretty much the same as the dipstick

    Agreed. It does when hot. I have been keeping an eye on my oil levels and checking them both on the MMI as well as the dipstick and they were pretty much the same.

    The below pic was taken after topping up the oil and 10mins after reaching my destination. I know I should've waited for another 10-15 mins to let the engine cool down properly before taking the reading but looking at the levels on the dipstick, it seems fine.

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    I am currently using 5W-30 and planning on changing it to 5W-40 on this year's service. I would therefore expecting the levels to stay either at max or that I won't be required another top-up at 6k miles next year.

    MRC did my last service and after speaking with Doug he was of the view that both 5W-30 or 40 were are fine. His view of the oil-consumption was that, "it is normal and nothing to worry about". I am not so concerned as it is not so significant, i.e. 1ltr after every 600-700 miles.

    I have been looking at different options and slightly confused.com as to which one I should using. There are few options with Millers being the top-pick by everyone followed by Quantum (from TPS). I am going to go with Millers and have already requested APS brackley to source it for me.

    I will definitely be monitoring the levels for a comparision
     
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  3. jdp1962

    jdp1962 Grumpy Old Man TFSI Owners Group Team V6 Gold Supporter Team Tornado Audi S4 Black Edition quattro S tronic

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    Mine's going for a two-year inspection service later this month. Last year, the garage used Petronas 5W-30; that was at 26,000, it's now 34,000. In those 8,000 miles, the engine hasn't used a drop of it. So I'll just keep thgings as they are.
     
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  4. Dippy

    Dippy Well-Known Member Team Monsoon Audi S5 Black Edition

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    40 weight oil is definitely significantly thicker so worth trying.
     
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    Tashfeen Moderator Staff Member Moderator Team Glacier Supercharged TFSI Owners Group Team V6 VCDS Map User Team Scuba Audi S4 Audi A3 Black Edition quattro

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    I didn't consume any oil in the first year of my ownership and until the car was stock. It has increased since the remap. A part of me is inclined to think that this is due to me thrashing the car more often than not. Now whether this is the underlying reason, I am not sure... I would like to think maybe not ...

    I will change over to Millers 5W-40 and find out.

    @Dippy can I ask which oil you are using on yours?
     
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    Dippy Well-Known Member Team Monsoon Audi S5 Black Edition

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    Castrol 5W30 - its what Mark (MDM Technik) uses.
    Don't forget that I have the CREC engine which has revised PCV and piston oil control rings so possibly is less likely to suffer from oil consumption.
     
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    Dippy Well-Known Member Team Monsoon Audi S5 Black Edition

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    Audi engines are notorious for consuming oil, especially as they age. My B5 S4 started to need mid-service top-ups later in its life. This is why Audi dealers tell you that some oil consumption is normal. The trouble is that because they have had some engines which genuinely had piston ring design faults (the 2.0T being the worst), they lost credibility when trying to fob owners off with the "normal" answer. As per my comment above, they must have finally concluded that the supercharged 3.0T was not perfect and hence redesigned the PCV and oil control rings.
     
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    Meemo Well-Known Member Supercharged Audi S5 Black Edition

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    eeeep a sign of things to come for all of us??
    keen to see how you get on the the 40 on stage 2.
    Same as you did in the first years, mine hasn't budged from max (29k on it now) , although after I got a dipstick (8 months after the last service) it did read fair bit over max which was not ideal to see... :S

    Just to add to the choice of Castrol, Mark also said Audi specific is now Fusch's which I popped in for my mid year oil change, wee bit cheaper :).

    ""Hi Manda,

    Sorry for the delay.
    Your car uses 5W30 fully synthetic oil.
    Audi / VW specific oil is made by Fuchs but I would also recommend Castrol.

    Kind regards,

    Mark""​
     
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    Tashfeen Moderator Staff Member Moderator Team Glacier Supercharged TFSI Owners Group Team V6 VCDS Map User Team Scuba Audi S4 Audi A3 Black Edition quattro

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    Did you check the oil when engine / oil was hot rather than cold or at running temps as that could be the only possible explanation for it above the max.

    Quantum from TPS or Castrol should meet the spec and so should Millers.

    Although I have requested APS to order Millers for the next service I am still in two minds, i.e. whether to go for Castrol or Millers. The good thing is I have atleast three weeks before I make a final decision

    I will keep you guys posted.
     
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    Tashfeen Moderator Staff Member Moderator Team Glacier Supercharged TFSI Owners Group Team V6 VCDS Map User Team Scuba Audi S4 Audi A3 Black Edition quattro

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    Thanks @Dippy. I did think about changing the PCV but decided not to. I won't fix it if it is not broken as some of us have the tendency to overthink and create problems for ourselves. Certainly I do and regret doing it on my B7 A4 that I sold with only 74k on the clock. And I sold it cheap because of the issues it started developing
     
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    Meemo Well-Known Member Supercharged Audi S5 Black Edition

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    Fair point, I let it sit for 10 minutes as I was excited to try my new dipstick... this is adulthood apparently.. being excited buying a dipstick :S
     
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    Tashfeen Moderator Staff Member Moderator Team Glacier Supercharged TFSI Owners Group Team V6 VCDS Map User Team Scuba Audi S4 Audi A3 Black Edition quattro

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    Car is booked in on 17th next week for full service as well as MoT. Full service will include everything barring plugs as I am not sure if I should be changing them now or wait another year or two (if I have still have the car that long).

    What plugs would you guys recommend/suggest. It is a 14 plate and I am currently sat at 36k miles. And if so, which ones. I have been googling and Audizine-ing as well as Facebooking and came across the below two:

    1- NGK BKR8EIX
    2- NGK PFR8S8EG
     
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    Tashfeen Moderator Staff Member Moderator Team Glacier Supercharged TFSI Owners Group Team V6 VCDS Map User Team Scuba Audi S4 Audi A3 Black Edition quattro

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    Cheers Jeff. DSG was serviced last year at 30k miles so perhaps good for another couple of years/15k miles.

    Unfortunately it doesn't have sports diff - the only one available with Sports Diff at the time had high mileage; 28k on a 14plate compared to 12k so, I opted for less mileage car
     
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    Dippy Well-Known Member Team Monsoon Audi S5 Black Edition

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    Factory spark plugs should be "long life" and easily last longer than they have now - what does not the service schedule recommend? - I can't remember myself. However plugs are (relatively) cheap and at 36K it would be fair to say you have gotten value from them and simply to guarantee reliability you could have them changed.

    I'm a bit cynical about the differences in spark plugs at the high end. Once you move away from copper its just a question of how long the metal lasts. Does the platinum last 60K? Does the iridium last 80K? Does either matter if you are going to replace them at 36K anyway? And just because they have "iridium core" is that enough? What if the ground electrode is not iridium or platinum but nickel? The weakest metal will wear first and how to you KNOW exactly what metal is used for ALL the parts of the plug? Just choose the one that looks sexiest or has great words like "laser" in the description. :)
     
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    Tashfeen Moderator Staff Member Moderator Team Glacier Supercharged TFSI Owners Group Team V6 VCDS Map User Team Scuba Audi S4 Audi A3 Black Edition quattro

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    Thanks @Dippy. The service schedule suggests they be done at 55k and then at 115k. But then there are other recommendations that I for one have not followed, e.g. DSG service which was done 5k-6k miles earlier. And going by same logic and the fact that the car is tuned there is no harm in getting them replaced earlier either.

    At the same time, part of me thinks I should leave them untouched and maybe look at them at next service/health check. I have the car booked in for health check in August/Sep and when I asked Ben @ MRC for suggestions they said OE were fine...

    On Facebook S4 UK and Audizine folks swear by NGK BKR8EIX but then most of them are running DP setup as well as meths so you'd expect them to go anything that is flashy, isn't it...

    Still undecided - #firstworldproblems :(
     
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    Audi decided to change mine at two years old for a giggle. No not really, they messed up and did a major service when I'd only booked a minor. Fortunately I didn't pay for the priveledge. And they wonder why we don't trust them...
     
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    That'll be a job for my service next year.
     
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    Dippy Well-Known Member Team Monsoon Audi S5 Black Edition

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    I don't disagree with the sentiment, but there is a big difference between changing the oil early on parts of the car that are ****ing expensive to repair/replace and the spark plugs which if they start to go bad will likely just start to cause misfires. Likely I'll have mine changed at 6 years and at my current rate the car will only have done 27 or 28K.

    Without doubt those NGK BKR8EIX are great plugs but personally I wouldn't worry about recommendations on Audizine. Most of the membership is based in the US and those Americans are very "special" people aren't they? I guess I can be a bit "special" like them, but when it comes to changing my spark plugs I'll just go with what Mark @ MDMTechnik recommends. If it were MRC doing the service I'd just go with their recommendation too.

    I'm more worried about an Audi dealer doing my 24DP recall. I'll have to make a decision on that soon.
     
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    I completely agree @Dippy. There are service items that you don't want to risk and wait for the "recommended" intervals like for example the Stronic service. In the end, it is just effin plugs but people like me often complicate the simplest of the things :(
    Spooky as I called Ben @MrC about 15 mins ago just to re-confirm what he already told me a month ago. He said go OE and gap them as they come standard from factory. Just like you suggested, he also recommended to change them at 6 years and to not worry now. He also took note to look at the plugs as part of the health check in August and change them if required.

    Fingers crossed mate, I am sure it will all go fine or you thinking about accepting the "risk" here ...
     
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    jdp1962 Grumpy Old Man TFSI Owners Group Team V6 Gold Supporter Team Tornado Audi S4 Black Edition quattro S tronic

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    Noooooooo!!!!!!! :)
     
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    I'll be happy to feed my experience back in a couple of weeks' time.
     
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    Dippy Well-Known Member Team Monsoon Audi S5 Black Edition

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    So far only one of the dealers I contacted has bothered to reply, and that reply was fairly "vanilla". But fortunately its the dealer I have used before and I have had no problems with the quality of the work done or the care they have taken of the car, so it looks like I'll be going back there. I'm not sure if I'll wait for your experience before I book Jeff. After all I really have no choice. Now that I have the official letter from Audi stating that the work is necessary for safety reasons, I have no genuine excuse to delay any more.
     
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    Which dealership is it @Dippy . It just helps as a reference for any potential future work...
     

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