Thoughts on these avants.

[Dani_B19]

Evening guys.

I'm still on the hunt for a Quattro and I've decided I want the avant over the saloon.
I've come across these 2 avants, I've spoken to both dealers who arnt tremendously helpful but from what I can tell both have comprehensive history although both are due a service, the main concern for me is their mileage, neither have had the injectors or the cam chain replaced.

What do you lot think.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../model/a4_avant/price-to/6000/page/1/usedcars

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../model/a4_avant/price-to/6000/page/1/usedcars

Thanks.

 

[RichMk3]

The mileage would be too high for me personally.

Your post code shows up on the links also

 

[Dani_B19]

That's my thoughts as well mate.

Random post code added.

 

[Gazwould]

150k and 160k , too high for a 3.0 tdi

I bought a 1.9 PD on 160k and never looked back .

 

[RichMk3]

I don't mean the engine gaz, the general wear and tare on the rest of the car at 150k would bother me. But on the other hand if its the right price it could be all good

 

[RichMk3]

Is that rear diffuser on the black one STD?

 

[Gazwould]

They're at those mileages cause it still works and will carry on working , plus the previous owners didn't kill or stuff it .

I look at high mileage in a totally different perspective now .

Anything that has failed is replaced generally by now .

 

[Dani_B19]

So what your saying gas is that the mileage wouldn't bother you?

Wear and tear happens no matter what the mileage, we bought a low mileage Leon and it's has no end of parts since buying it 6 months ago.

It's the injectors and cam chain that just worries me, both cars aesthetically look good.

The black ones rear diffuser is the first one I've see rich.

 

[Dani_B19]

There's also this one but the fact that it's green puts me off.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../model/a4_avant/price-to/6000/page/1/usedcars

 

[Gazwould]

Yeah injectors have a chequered history , favourite mileage or mileage range for failing ?

Is chain ment to last life of vehicle ?

 

[Dani_B19]

Don't follow the favourite mileage comment?

No but I don't fancy buying a car to then be stumped with a bill for ££££'s.

 

[Gazwould]

Let's put it this way...

A big spend can happen with lower mileage or higher.

I'don't love a crystal ball .

 

[Charlie Farley]

your in a difficult situation really chap, on the one hand they have high milages but on the other hand they are at a more attractive price.
In theory at the higher milages on these car or any car for that matter a lot of things that would have been worn should have been replaced , but, that doesnt mean they have been nor does it mean the cars been cared properly for all of those miles.
Dont forget, the whole car has covered the miles , so every component has been subjected to the same levels of wear and tear, if all the parts that should have been changed by now have been then thats half the battle but there will still be a lot that wont have, at the right price either car would probably be a good buy.
also depends on how those miles were racked up, and how many previous owners, one owner doing regular trips and of a varying types of roads etc may be a better buy than several owners all doing low miles and local trips.
No really easy answer for you chap, you'll have to use your own judgement along with any info you have been given to make a descision.

I bought an expensive dealer avant with stupid low milage (29k in june 2014) and only one owner, had more issues with it and expensive ones for that matter that you could shake a very big stick at.

 

[Dani_B19]

Cheers for your input quattro, yeah I know your right, just wanted to see what other people's take on them would be. .

 

[Charlie Farley]

well as they say " may the force be with you " on this one.

 

[SootySport]

Cam chains are supposed to last the lifetime of the car, not a regular service item. Higher mileage cars do often put people off. At the prices that these two are for sale at I don't think it's too bad a gamble, they are a lot of car for the money asked. Worth looking at I would say and a bit of a haggle could save a hundred or so. No harm in having a thorough test drive ( not just round the block) and see if any faults show up.

 

[JimmyH]

Cam chains are supposed to last the lifetime of the car, not a regular service item. Higher mileage cars do often put people off. At the prices that these two are for sale at I don't think it's too bad a gamble, they are a lot of car for the money asked. Worth looking at I would say and a bit of a haggle could save a hundred or so. No harm in having a thorough test drive ( not just round the block) and see if any faults show up.

The chains last, however the guides wear and fall apart, this is very well documented.

 

[SootySport]

Oh yes, the guides can wear. The top two can be changed with the engine insitu. See Audizine for a guide.

 

[moorzy]

They're at those mileages cause it still works and will carry on working , plus the previous owners didn't kill or stuff it .

I look at high mileage in a totally different perspective now .

Anything that has failed is replaced generally by now .

Fair play if that's your stance but high mileage, to me at any rate, means I'm gonna have to spend to replace bits that are only meant to do half the mileage of the motor. If you have receipts for all replaced bits then cool but without my spidey senses would be telling me "buy this but save a few bob to pay for repairs Moorzy".

Laughing at people's posts offering the requested opinion, for suggesting 160k is high, when it is actually high, average mileage on an 10yo motor would be probs 12000'ish * 10 so 160k is 3.5 years extra welly up and down the country in my eyes, is disrespectful imo.

As for the "Anything that has failed is replaced generally by now ." comment that is more deserving of a roll on the carpet chuckling.

What a gamble, spending 5k on a high mileage car on the hunch that it will have been made brand new again because of how many miles it has done??? That's the type of purchase an eager kid would make.

 

[Gazwould]

No one has got the right answer here.

You can have high miles smiles or 1 owner low miles misery and vice versa.

But buying retail he'll be well covered for 6 months.

My ex bought a non vag derv that the engine type had a long proven history .

Did all the research in late Sept/early Oct and in December bought one from a specialist dealer .

Two weeks later it broke down , the limp mode was ridiculously dangerous if on motorway .

Injector number 2 replaced FOC , in the end it broke down a further 5 times .

Found out from a forum a thread dated in October that there was experiences of faulty injectors within 08 and 09 .

A new set of 4 were put in FOC and a year later all is good .

There are some poor buggers out there out of warranty thay have to replace an injector at £360 a pop just waiting for the next one to go . Best to bite the bullet and do all 4 in one go .

I would poo myself every time I had a suspect gear change if I owned an Audi with S-tronic .

There was a golden age of reliability of cars from early 90's , where I remember family owners just having to replace serviceable items.

With the modern fragility of newer cars it would pay dividends to not obtain it privately , auction or unwarranted .

 

[Pedrödelabongo]

They're at those mileages cause it still works and will carry on working , plus the previous owners didn't kill or stuff it .

I look at high mileage in a totally different perspective now .

Anything that has failed is replaced generally by now .

Mine had almost 170K on it when I bought it - fsh (mostly Audi, but with VW and specialist garages. yes, it cost me a front suspension rebuild but my local specialist (JJB Motors in York) but it drives so well now.
End of day, these cars are not your usual Ford, Citroen, Nissan 'run-of-the-mills' cars.
These are made to last.

 

[Charlie Farley]

No one has got the right answer here.

You can have high miles smiles or 1 owner low miles misery and vice versa.

But buying retail he'll be well covered for 6 months.

My ex bought a non vag derv that the engine type had a long proven history .

Did all the research in late Sept/early Oct and in December bought one from a specialist dealer .

Two weeks later it broke down , the limp mode was ridiculously dangerous if on motorway .

Injector number 2 replaced FOC , in the end it broke down a further 5 times .

Found out from a forum a thread dated in October that there was experiences of faulty injectors within 08 and 09 .

A new set of 4 were put in FOC and a year later all is good .

There are some poor buggers out there out of warranty thay have to replace an injector at £360 a pop just waiting for the next one to go . Best to bite the bullet and do all 4 in one go .

I would poo myself every time I had a suspect gear change if I owned an Audi with S-tronic .

There was a golden age of reliability of cars from early 90's , where I remember family owners just having to replace serviceable items.

With the modern fragility of newer cars it would pay dividends to not obtain it privately , auction or unwarranted .

well i did say that aswell , and with first hand experience of a low milage perfect buy.....not.

" I bought an expensive dealer avant with stupid low milage (29k in june 2014) and only one owner, had more issues with it and expensive ones for that matter that you could shake a very big stick at. "

 

[Charlie Farley]

Fair play if that's your stance but high mileage, to me at any rate, means I'm gonna have to spend to replace bits that are only meant to do half the mileage of the motor. If you have receipts for all replaced bits then cool but without my spidey senses would be telling me "buy this but save a few bob to pay for repairs Moorzy".

Laughing at people's posts offering the requested opinion, for suggesting 160k is high, when it is actually high, average mileage on an 10yo motor would be probs 12000'ish * 10 so 160k is 3.5 years extra welly up and down the country in my eyes, is disrespectful imo.

As for the "Anything that has failed is replaced generally by now ." comment that is more deserving of a roll on the carpet chuckling.

What a gamble, spending 5k on a high mileage car on the hunch that it will have been made brand new again because of how many miles it has done??? That's the type of purchase an eager kid would make.

nope dont agree with you to be honest.
not everyone has a pocket full of cash to buy a decent spec car with that " low milage" label attached to it, wether it is low, or high milage is all a bit accademic really as it is how that car has been looked after, low milers can be just a problematic as high milers sometimes moreso.

Buying a higher than average milage car should not be a nightmare if you look into what you are buying first, check its history, checkout what items are known to be problematic etc, if you take a pro-active stance with a high milage car you need'nt be disapointed with it.
If I wanted a specific model car but it was only available at my price bracket with higher miles i would deffo go for it , if , it ticked all my boxes.
If you are looking at a lets just say for example a " french branded car" then after 100k i wouldnt even look at it even if it was a very new model, but german cars are , despite there known issues , very well made cars and if serviced properly will last very well and be reliable.

I wouldnt touch a modded high miler, would need to be factory standard or with approved extra's.
In this day and age there isnt really such a thing as average milage, everyone has there own perception of what average means, wether its 10k , 12k or 15k a year , its all abit by the by , as i said before its how the car has been run, maintained and looked after that is the key factor.

 

[moorzy]

nope dont agree with you to be honest.
not everyone has a pocket full of cash to buy a decent spec car with that " low milage" label attached to it, wether it is low, or high milage is all a bit accademic really as it is how that car has been looked after, low milers can be just a problematic as high milers sometimes moreso.

Buying a higher than average milage car should not be a nightmare if you look into what you are buying first, check its history, checkout what items are known to be problematic etc, if you take a pro-active stance with a high milage car you need'nt be disapointed with it.
If I wanted a specific model car but it was only available at my price bracket with higher miles i would deffo go for it , if , it ticked all my boxes.
If you are looking at a lets just say for example a " french branded car" then after 100k i wouldnt even look at it even if it was a very new model, but german cars are , despite there known issues , very well made cars and if serviced properly will last very well and be reliable.

I wouldnt touch a modded high miler, would need to be factory standard or with approved extra's.
In this day and age there isnt really such a thing as average milage, everyone has there own perception of what average means, wether its 10k , 12k or 15k a year , its all abit by the by , as i said before its how the car has been run, maintained and looked after that is the key factor.

Wouldn't have expected your good self to agree with owt I write pal as for average mileage, there's average everything so that's just daft.

The maths isn't even that complicated, you sum the miles done over a year for every vehicle, then divide that figure by the number of vehicles which contributed to the total, this will be your average. Obviously there will be extremes at each end but the average is the average.

And the very reason you are saying "pocketful of cash" for spec with low miles is the reason you will be paying less for high, not because the high mileage is going to be better and more reliable is it???? You are arguing my point with that very statement surely?

Merry new year btw.

 

[Charlie Farley]

There are such things as constructive replies to other members questions, I just dont think a lot of yours seem to fall into that category to be honest, just my impression of some of yours inc the one i relpied to, but hey everyone to there own.

 

[moorzy]

Cool.